Scouting Report: Isaiah Oliver, DB

If the Patriots lose Butler this off season, does Corner become a high priority come draft day?

NEPD Staff Writer: Mike Gerken

As promised, I am back with another report. This is the second time I am writing this report because for some reason when I saved this morning, it disappeared. Needless to say, I am not happy. Trust me, I had a fantastic opening. Something about Colorado and liking Akhello Witherspoon and, well… It just hurts to much to try and recreate that internet gold. So, without the fanfare, here is my report.

Name: Isaiah Oliver (#26)

School: University of Colorado (Jr.)

Height: 6’1″ (unofficial)

Weight: 195 Lbs. (unofficial)



Oliver has ideal size for the position. He is tall with long arms, broad shoulders and overall is well built. Oliver has a track background and you can see that speed translate to the field. He has some of the best recovery speed I can remember seeing since I started doing this. Oliver shows the ability to turn his head and look for the ball while still mirroring the Wide Receiver. He has experience in both press and man coverage as well as zone, so he has versatility from a scheme standpoint. He does a good job of tracking the ball and getting his hands on it. He plays with a lot of confidence and swagger, which I like in my Corners.


Right now, it seems like Oliver relies on his speed and athleticism over technique to put himself in situations to succeed. This will need to change if he wants to be consistently successful in the NFL. While he shows the ability to turn his head and locate the ball, it is inconsistent. His footwork can be sloppy and he gets flat footed. He has used his recovery speed to minimize this issue, but in the NFL, that won’t be the case. While he does show scheme versatility, he is most comfortable when asked to run with a guy and he seems to struggle with zone scheme concepts. As a taller player, he does struggle with change of direction. Again, part of this has to do with his footwork and I think it is something he can at least improve on. He is aggressive and it does lead to more pass interference calls that I would like to see.


Oliver has a lot of potential and if he can clean up some of his technical issues, he could end up one of those Corners that opposing QB’s just don’t throw at. He has shown that he can be a play maker and with some good coaching, he could be a true shutdown Corner. He is not a finished product and he could have some growing pains early in his career, but he has a very high ceiling. I think he is a top 50 player in this draft, but I would not be shocked if he hears his name called on Day 1.


236 Responses to “Scouting Report: Isaiah Oliver, DB”

  1. Claude Edouard says:

    Curious as to what Patriots may do this off-season through both the draft and free agency? Of course, knowing Bill, he’ll do the opposite of whatever we all expect! My thoughts:
    – I think they let Malcolm Butler go in free agency. His play has dropped off considerably in my opinion and would not merit the big-time contract that he’ll be looking for. Thanks for the Super Bowl heroics Malcolm! Give Eric Rowe and Cyrus Jones a chance to compete for the number 2 DB position but also draft a DB like Isaiah Oliver and give him the chance to compete for that role as well.
    – They definitely need to draft a QB and hopefully find lightning in a bottle again as far as someone who shows the potential to take over whenever Brady finally decides to retire.
    – Nate Solder may decide to retire or they let him go in free agency. Garcia is medically cleared and given the opportunity to take over at tackle for Solder.
    – Bill needs to draft a solid slot receiver or find a way to steal Jarvis Landry away from Miami a la Wes Welker, part II! Edelman may not be the same coming back from his knee injury and will Amendola be willing to take yet another pay cut?
    – definitely need some LB help. Can’t count on Hightower staying healthy for a whole season.
    – also need to look at drafting some Safeties or free agent Safeties to start grooming for both Chung and McCourty.
    – can never have enough pass rushers so that should be another area to focus on. How will Rivers be coming back from his knee injury? Will they bring Harrison back? Will Wise continue to improve and develop as a year 2 player?
    – neither Bennett or Allen return at TE meaning Bill needs to find a solid #2 TE to compliment Gronk.
    – last but not least, Bill pulls the ultimate “bet you didn’t see that coming” move and retires after yet another Super Bowl win. Rather than going to the Colts as everyone is anticipating, McDaniels stays in New England and takes over as head coach!

    • Jeff says:

      I think they try to retain Solder or sign someone in free agency, as trusting Garcia to be a starting left tackle with no experience is not Bill’s style. To me Solder is the highest priority. If not, I think they retain Waddle or Fleming and draft another player as well to get max competition for the left tackle spot.

      At CB, I think they use a draft pick and sign someone (Bademosi?). Gilmore and Rowe would project as the starters. Justin Jones I think is a lock for special teams and a candidate to contribute on defense as well. The draft pick would presumably be a lock, and then Cyrus Jones can compete with the free agent for likely a final roster spot.

      With Hoyer at QB for two more years, I don’t think they have to take one this year and can be a bit more opportunistic in this draft with QBs – in other words, take one if a good value falls to you.

      I’d like to see a high ceiling DE brought in early in the draft. Rivers is a question mark and Wise seems good as a situational pass rusher, but a high ceiling starter across from Flowers is still a need.

      I think linebacker should also be addressed early in the draft to get a high ceiling player.

      TE is a need in FA or early in the draft as well.

      Drafting a safety would be nice, but I think there are other priorities higher on the list for the Pats, so I won’t be surprised if they don’t address the position (unless someone falls that they can’t turn down).

      • Claude Edouard says:

        Good points about Solder and the LT position. Drafting a high ceiling DE and a LB are definitely critical for the Patriots. Will be very curious to see what players they release or let go in free agency, what players they target in free agency, and what players they eventually end up drafting.

      • steve earle says:

        Agree with you on QB, if value falls to us so be it. Also LB and Edge setting rusher priority’s. As for TE would love to keep Bennett but know his contract is the issue. Maybe something can be worked out, who knows? Solder is the question too. Does he retire, go for big money, sign an extension? So It would be a wise move to look at possible starter LOT’s high in this draft as Garcia may or may not be viable. Where I differ with Claude (above) is on need for Saf’s. We have 3 very good starters now but again if value falls to us, who knows? Then his reliance on Cedric Jones is misplaced as far as past performance can judged by. CB Butler probable moves on so a CB may be on order in the draft but we have two or three on board who have decent ability and could develop into a reliable starter. I’m not worried about Edelman’s return, he’ll be fine. Thing is in this draft there are bunches of prospects in the lower mid and late rounds that have intriguing skill sets that could fit into sub packages and provide lots of excitement. Draft should be fun.

        • steve earle says:

          Should have mentioned I am still holding to my belief that a big DT to replace Branch should be high on our lists.

        • Claude Edouard says:

          I agree with you that this upcoming draft should definitely be fun. My point about Cyrus Jones was not so much about relying on him to compete and take over the CB2 position. Because of his high draft status from a few years ago, I think Bill will give him every opportunity to live up to his draft status and prove that he is not a bust but that in no way guarantees him anything since we know Bill’s history and track record with some of our high 2nd round draft picks.
          I mentioned safeties because of the fact that neither Chung or McCourty are getting any younger. Now granted I wouldn’t make safety a high priority since LB and DE are the top priorities, but wouldn’t hurt in my opinion to have another quality safety to start grooming for the future.

    • Russell says:

      Claude; I believe OT Solder gets resigned (2 yr. deal). Slater likely to retire, Ebner is a real question his Knee injury was so late. So likely BB drafts a S (Quin Blanding) with an eye toward special teams for now. S David Jones, & S/CB Damarius Travis on the practice squad are held in high reguard, so not sure about drafting a CB. QB likely a late round guy (Taylor Lamb). I think a TE will be a high draft pick, (Mike Gesicki) given the value the TE has to the Patriots Offence. Not a great LB draft, but a DL man is a strong early draft pick.

  2. steve earle says:

    Word is Nathan Shepherd broke his hand the other day and is done for the game. I was really impressed with reports and vs Hernandez highlight and looking forward to more about him. Anyone know off hand if he will be going to the combine?

    • Stephen J says:

      According to Tom Pelissero of NFLNetwork and

      The good news for Fort Hays State DT Nathan Shepherd, a Senior Bowl standout before breaking his hand: It’s a second metacarpal spiral fracture, source said. No surgery. Heal in 2-3 weeks. Should be ready for most drills at the combine.

  3. Russell says:

    Day 2 of watching Senior bowl practice. DE Andrew Brown shows up again, WR Lazard made some nice hand catches. OL Noteboom showed up again. OL from Georgia (#77) looked solid, before hurting a shoulder. DE Davenport, looks like a pass rusher, but question him in the run game. QB Falk looked OK.
    DL Harrison Phillips needs to be the 4-5 tech. not 2-3 tech. his strength would be better setting the edge, and chasing to the side line. He’s not an edge rusher, but can push the edge, while keeping gap responsiblity.
    I would like to see Lazard as a Joker TE, at 6’5″ 225 lbs, running Gronk type Patterns.

    • Russell says:

      Don’t be surprised if QB Andy Dalton goes to Denver in a trade move for draft picks.

      • steve earle says:

        Not saying it won’t happen but why would they want Dalton? Never comes through in the clutch.

    • steve earle says:

      Allan Lazard might be a viable highbred WR/TE around rd 4. He has good projected speed but his weight limits his in-line blocking. Production was very good so setting him in a slot or even wide in a spread could be effective I think. Be interesting to see how things unfold and if his value would be greater then that of other positions of need or value?

    • Stephen J says:

      The OL from Georgia #77 was Isaiah Wynn.

      Per Alex Flanagan of NFLNetwork

      He showed his grit this week at @seniorbowl. Wynn has been playing with a torn labrum. He won’t play in Saturday’s game, but battled and had a great week of practice in Mobile. He is scheduled for surgery next week. Expected to be ready for camp.

  4. Stephen J says:

    I’ve posted Day 3 Senior Bowl Practice North Notes over on Da’Ron Payne Scouting Report page

  5. Turbo says:

    Ballage and the two top TE Gesicki and Fumagalli looked really good on the 1 on 1 drills.

  6. Stephen J says:

    Turbo how is this guy for you

    Does he show enough promise? Are you excited about him?

    • Turbo says:

      I like him as a pass rusher specialist, but i don’t think he can set the edge for us. Mid-to-late rounder for me at best.

      • Stephen J says:

        Setting the edge wasn’t a big concern for me he did a decent to good job there in run defense it’s more of his dropping back in coverage that’s a concern.

        • steve earle says:

          Yea if he can’t drop into coverage that makes my thinking of making him an OLB very problematic I fear. But so far your the only one who has brought that up, so sense I have no access to the practices can you give me your observations as to the basis for this please? As your probably aware Davenport has been one of my favorites too so any details you can share is appreciated.

      • steve earle says:

        I wouldn’t go so far as a late rd Turbo because edge rushers are a high value skill. Plus keep in mind where he comes from and how much catch up he may have to do to get up to speed of the NFL and consider his potential up side. He may drop out of the top two rds but likely not out of the 2nd day. A lot will depend on actual game impact, or lack thereof.

      • steve earle says:

        Hey Turbo earlier you spoke of Lorenzo Carter as a DE for us. I agree he would be a nice pick in our 2nd and then you referred to a 1st pick who could start right away. Wondering if you have any specific player in mind or were you speaking generally?

        • Turbo says:

          I’m in love with Rashaan Evans, he’s my number 1 player overall for us. And the other dude who could be interesting for us is Lamar Jackson. Those two are the guys i’m looking at with the 1st round pick. Right now i wouldn’t mind trading down to be honest.

  7. Russell says:

    Interesting watching Senior bowl practice! DL Harrison Phillips, Tyquan Lewis, impressed. OL Will Hernandez is a rock, Brian ONeill will need time to develop. Joseph Notebroom (35 3/8″ arms) looks solid, at R-LOT and a likely early round pick. DE Andrew Brown (35 1/8″ arms) looked good as well. LB Darius Leonard made some plays, along with Shaq Griffin. WR DeSean Hamilton stood out.
    Lots of time wasted on watching QB’s , tho Falk stood out. DL Poona Ford stout in the middle, lots of double teams..

    • Stephen J says:

      With WR DeSean Hamilton has shown great route running but my concern is his hands he has had several drops each day and has had several body catches as well.

      LB Darius Leonard has been beaten more than he has made plays. On the 1st day Dallas Goedert beat him before leaving with a hamstring injury. That same day Rashaad Penny beat Darius Leonard in coverage. He has also shown the same weakness that Elandon Roberts has being off balance while moving side to side(it happens when recovering when beaten then changing direction) which can be seen in this video.
      To me he is a lesser version of Elandon Roberts.

      Joe Noteboom is a right tackle in the Pats system.

      This from Kyle Crabbs. Tyquan Lewis is, in one word, tight. He struggles to bend and corner as a rusher and that has been accentuated this week. Lewis does have some nice strength but he’s pretty limited as an every down EDGE Defender

      I like Brian ONeill but don’t love him. I like what I’ve seen from Alex Cappa in that he can compete (manhandle)with top competition. Yet he struggles with speed rushers. The only OT that has really stood out to me is Tyrell Crosby who has had quite a few plays like this
      The only player that has given Crosby some problems is Ogbonnia Okoronkwo on a couple of plays/reps other than that Crosby has been solid.

      DL Harrison Phillips hasn’t dominated in any way but does enough to get the job done.

    • Stephen J says:

      Shaquem Griffin at 223 lbs sheds(throws aside) 306 lbs Joe Noteboom

  8. JH says:

    I wasn’t able to watch much of the senior bowl today but I’ve heard across the board that Kyle Lauletta has been impressive thus far, especially today. Heard he was throwing with “plenty of zip” on the ball too which was what I was looking for.

    I also saw that at the end of practice yesterday he was the one breaking the huddle. It’s mighty impressive that a kid from an FCS school was the one leading all these D-1 players on the first day. Looks to be a great football player and a great leader. If he continues this sort of play he’ll be my top QB for the Patriots to look at.

    As a side note, some Patriots scouts apparently met with him during the season, so they could very well be interested.

  9. Turbo says:

    What i’ve said before. Davenport has to prove himself this week. This was day 2 and he’s being overpowerd by every tackle in the 1-1 drills. Even with this performance he could go round 1 if someone like he’s upside, but i’m really disappointed so far.

    • steve earle says:

      That’s disappointing news Turbo, I had high hopes for him. I still hope he can redeem himself. I have him in mind to convert to OLB so that might mitigate to some degree but still not good to hear.

    • Stephen J says:

      Why are you disappointed? I’m actually pleased. I’ve seen what I needed to already with Davenport. He’s done exactly what I’d thought he would. Now it’s just the combine tests that I’m going to be looking at.

      • Turbo says:

        I’m disappointed, cause unlike you i wanted him to show me he can play against better competition. I don’t care about the combine as much as you, cause he’s going to be put up the numbers i have no doubt. But the question for me was: can he play from day 1 in the NFL? Cause i’m expecting that from someone who could be a potential top 15-20 pick. He’s showing me he can’t. Like i said before, so far he’s exactly the same for me as K-Pass and Melifonwu. Small school kid with tons of upside, but that’s not a round 1 pick for me unless he’s a QB (Josh Allen).

        • Stephen J says:

          He has showed me this week that he can play against better competition. People just looking in the wrong area with him. If you are looking for him to be that edge rusher like Chandler Jones well yes you are going to be disappointed that is not him. BB uses the strength of each player and hands in the ground (3 Tech Edge Rusher is not Davenport yet they keep doing the same thing with him. How many times do you need to see that. His strength is when he is standing and has that momentum going forward. He is more like Jamie Collins or what they have been doing with Elandon Roberts whose been filling in for Hightower. He is a mixture of both them. This week Davenport has consistently won in middle while standing up. He could be that middle LB that people been looking for that is why I want to see the combine results to see if is lateral movement is good enough when compared to Collins Hightower.

        • Turbo says:

          You think he’s going to be a MIKE or SAM in the NFL and not a 4-3 DE? If i want a tall, big, fast guy as SAM i just draft Lorenzo Carter in the 2nd and pick a guy in the first who can make impact on day 1.

        • Turbo says:

          or more like a LEO?

        • Stephen J says:

          I was thinking LEO but my one concern there is Davenport’s east to west movement isn’t the greatest for coverage reasons but that is why I wanted to see how his 3 cone and 20 shuttle times compare to Collins and Hightower’s to see if it’s good enough.

        • steve earle says:

          I agree with Stephen here Turbo. If Davenport is a top 15 we have no chance for him but if he can transition to MLB or even develope into that OLB with good coaching we could get an impact player late 1st, early/mid 2nd who can be getting serious snaps next November. Sure I would love a day one starter but how is that realistic where we will be drafting. Keep in mind his athletic ability and upside. This could be a gift in disguise.

      • steve earle says:

        Not sure if you were asking me or Turbo about being disappointed with Davenport’s lack of edge setting but just that. Now you make an excellent case for why that may not be a very bad thing. I do still think he can convert to LB after thinking on it for a few hours and become a valuable piece in a rotation later in 2018 plus an upside to starter after.

  10. Stephen J says:

    Since it seems when we go over the 200-225+ post mark of a scouting page it causes posting issues I’m going to post my day 2 Senior Bowl Practice Notes on Da’Ron Payne Scouting Report page

  11. Stephen J says:

    One player that I didn’t get to last night before falling asleep was Shaquem Griffin UCF. 6′ 0 2/8″ 223 lbs 31 5/8″ Arm Length #18

    He shined when using his first step(initial get off) and bend around the edge. He beat Brandon Parker bad as can be seen here

    and also beat Alex Cappa a couple of times. One of which can be seen here

    He said that he could play 3-4 OLB, 4-3 SAM and Cover 3 SS.

    When asked what his favorite role is. “Anywhere I can tackle”

    Then there was this from Phil Savage(Senior Bowl Executive Director): “The floor with him (Shaquem Griffin) is that he can be a special teams demon.”

    Houston who is coaching the South Team had Shaquem dropping back into coverage as well.

    • steve earle says:

      Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Griffin an OLB? He’s very quick for sure but can he set the edge in the pros? His size speaks to a switch to perhaps SS? What are your thoughts on this?

      • Stephen J says:

        Setting the edge will not be his responsibility. He would be doing what Patrick Chung is doing now. He can play that linebacker be that safety rush the passer. A versatile player that can be used in many different ways plus is an excellent special teams player as well.

        • steve earle says:

          That I can agree with, though the highlight was one with his hand on the ground DE like which I was referencing and which I supposed your observation as to his beating OT’s reflected on those OT’s rather then his probable actual playing at LB would reflect. Not many true DE’s would have that speed and quickness from the down position.

  12. Stephen J says:

    The Quarterbacks Underwhelm

    One thing this article doesn’t get into and discuss much is all the QB’s’ but 1 had trouble under center. Kyle Lauletta. White being the most problematic who fumbled the snap on several occasions.

    One other thing that just came out is Baker Mayfield’s mother is in the hospital and he may not play Saturday due to her health. He will know more on Thursday in regards to her condition.

  13. Stephen J says:

    Adam Breneman and Dallas Goedert are out of the Senior Bowl, due to hamstring injury.

  14. Stephen J says:

    The hit of the day belongs to Auburn LB Tre Williams

    Stops RB Rashaad Penny dead in his tracks knocking the football loose and recovering it all in the same play.

  15. Stephen J says:

    Day 1 Senior Bowl Practice Notes DT Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St 6’3 7/8″ 310 lbs 33″ Arm Length #97 North Team

    Josh Norris Fort Hays State DT Nathan Shepherd is blowing it up in the middle. Great start for him

    Trevor Sikkema Fort Hayes State DT Nathan Shepherd is an animal. Unblockable for three straight reps. Looked very built at weigh-ins, too.

    Daniel Jeremiah Nathan Shepherd from Fort Hays State was outstanding in one-on-ones. He had some clean wins. He’s explosive.

    Nathan Shepherd Beats OC Mason Cole #52 on this 1 vs 1 play

    Sayre Bedinger Player who stole the show was a defensive lineman out of Fort Hayes St. named Nathan Shepherd. Some seriously violent hands and a motor that never quits

    Jon Ledyard Nathan Shepherd slaying it today

    The Best 1 vs 1 Battle today Beast vs Beast Nathan Shepherd vs Will Hernandez

  16. Stephen J says:

    Day 1 Senior Bowl Practice Notes G Will Hernandez UTEP 6’2 4/8″ 340 lbs 32 3/8″ arm length #76 North Team

    Roster Watch OG Will Hernandez, UTEP – We would not want this guy to get his hands on us – a monster. One of the most impressive pure physical prospects to the eyeballs we’ve seen in 7 years in Mobile at the guard position.

    North Team Thoughts: Will Hernandez is very impressive. Can be a bit of a forward leaner and overaggressive at times, but his natural power is solid and he’s a bully when he blocks defenders. Immovable object at the point of attack.

    I can’t stop raving about Will Hernandez. He’s making this look like child’s play. One of my biggest Day 1 winners so far.

    Dane Brugler OG Will Hernandez is easy to spot. Just look for the defensive lineman violently moving backwards.

    College Football 24/7: OG Will Hernandez from UTEP having a good Day 1 practice. Mayock comparing him to Incognito.

    Joe Marino UTEP G Will Hernandez is a country strong dude. His play strength has been dominant in 1v1s.

    Trevor Sikkema Wow. OG Will Hernandez opens up a big hole on the left side. He’s been a bull today.

    John Sigler SBNation Will Hernandez is reminding me of Zack Martin a few years back. Just stonewalling everything

  17. Stephen J says:

    Day 1 Senior Bowl Practice Notes Kyzir White Safety WV 6’2 1/8″ 216 lbs 32″ Arm Length

    Draft Analyst Kyzir White/DB/West Virginia has looked strong in coverage against tight ends, breaking up multiple passes and showing the strength to hold up on initial contact

    Chase Goodbread Throw from OU QB Baker Mayfield to Penn St. TE Mike Gesicki broken up by @WVUfootball DB Kyzir White.

    Trevor Sikkema WVU S Kyzir White with the INT. Fantastic read on the QB’s(Tanner Lee) eyes and break on the route.

    Arthur Arkush Kyzir White’s instincts and ball skills showed up in team drills and 1-on-1’s.

    Matt Miller one of the best today so far.

    Jonah Tuls A lot of people think Kyzir White is *just* a box safety, but I think he’s a little more skilled than some think.

    Kyle Crabbs Kyzir White has been physically dominating on the top of these Route stems.

    • JH says:

      Glad to see he’s performing well thus far. A true all-around safety. Hopefully he won’t play his way out of our reach.

  18. Stephen J says:

    Day 1 Senior Bowl Practice Notes Kemoko Turay OLB Rutgers 6′ 4 3/8″ 252 lbs 33 5/8″ arm length

    Sometimes pictures/videos are better than words. Well here is two from today from Turay

    Turay off the Edge against Tyrell Crosby. Initially gets stuffed but comes back and finishes the play

    Turay with a beautiful inside spin move to get the would be sack

    Jon Ledyard said this Rutgers EDGE Kemoko Turay has real quickness and a nice burst when he times up his first step right. There are issues with false-stepping and consistency in his pad level, but he could be a riser as long as his medicals check out.

    • Stephen J says:

      A Nice article on Kemoko Turay

      In a NY Giants article written about finding a pass rusher this was written about Kemko

      The homegrown Turay could be the perfect solution because he is a natural pass-rusher who only became an every-down player as a redshirt senior.

      The 6-foot-5, 252-pound Turay is an athletic freak who had a career-high 65 tackles, including four sacks, in 2017. He collected 7.5 sacks, three blocked kicks and an Honorable Mention All-Big Ten selection as a redshirt freshman before two injury-plagued years and multiple shoulder surgeries.

  19. Stephen J says:

    Day 1 Senior Bowl Practice Notes WR Byron Pringle Kansas State 6’1″ 201 lbs #89 South Team

    Trevor Sikkema looks crisp in his movements

    David Ubben K-State’s Byron Pringle was a major standout in Tuesday’s South practice. Really instinctive ability to get separation on downfield balls. Had a handful of great catches on go routes.

    Beats Levi Wallace twice in one play

    Draft Analyst Byron Pringle/WR/Kansas State showing good hands and nice timing/extension on balls over his head while tracking the ball nicely downfield

    Jonah Tuls Best receiver today(South Team): Byron Pringle

    Greg Auman Byron Pringle getting seperation

    Brad Kelly Byron Pringle is putting on a clinic. Flashing great hand usage at the breakpoint, flexible hips, active releases. Has won deep balls on consecutive reps. Abusing this CB group.

  20. Stephen J says:

    Day 1 Senior Bowl Practice Notes CB MJ Stewart NC 5’10 5/8″ 198 31 1/2″ arms #26 South Team

    Jonah Tuls I don’t think I counted a single rep where MJ Stewart lost in the one on ones. Great performance here on day one.

    Joe Marino on UNC CB MJ Stewart is simply dominating 1v1s. Pattern matching to perfection and playing the football beautifully.

    Kyle Crabbs on UNC CB MJ Stewart. WR DJ Chark has been underwhelming as well, he’s had his lunch taken by MJ Stewart at least 5 times.

    This breakdown of MJ Stewart by Ben Fennell a NFL Network editor

    Tons of experience for UNC. Press man, boundary/field, slot, blitzing, strong tackler… Despite team struggles – he’s been a solid player on tape

    Here are his stats for his career at UNC

    Then there is this from former DC of NC Gene Chizik

    I’ve had 3 Thorpe Award Winners on my defenses. MJ is as good as any of the 3. He is a first round pick if the NFL teams truly do their homework. Absolutely loves ball and has a relentless work ethic. Flat BALLER!

    He did loose one rep today against Marcell Ateman when he was a little too far inside on the comeback route.

    He was getting work in the kick return game as well.

  21. Stephen J says:

    Senior Bowl Preview of the QB’s by Locked on Patriots Mark Schofield

  22. Stephen J says:

    Senior Bowl from Pats perspective by Oliver Thomas

    • Stephen J says:

      So its likely at least 4 players at the Senior Bowl will be on the Patriots team in some fashion or another next year

  23. Stephen J says:

    Senior Bowl Weigh In Results per Josh Norris

  24. Turbo says:

    Few under the radar guy i’m interested:

    North: Darius Phillips, Brexton Barrios, Cedrick Wilson, Nick DeLuca, Jalyn Thomas, Chad Thomas

    South: Tre’Quan Smith, Mike White, J’Mon Moore, Kameron Kelly, Andrew Brown

    I hope some of these guys are going to show me something.

  25. Stephen J says:

    I was just reading Evan Lazar’s Snap Count Report

    One of the things that stood out was this section on Patrick Chung

    In Sunday’s AFC Championship Game, Chung lined up all over the defense, logging snaps at linebacker, slot corner, edge defender, outside cornerback, and safety, which is something that he has done all season. Despite being listed as a safety, Chung essentially played linebacker for a majority of Sunday’s AFC Championship Game.

    In fact, 31 of Chung’s 74 snaps came with him playing linebacker, and he logged eight more snaps as an edge defender. Chung’s ability to play different roles in the Patriots defense, and play well in coverage and against the run, allows the Pats to keep his athleticism on the field while still loading up to stop the opponents rushing attack.

    This is why I have been looking at small linebackers 225 and under who have played safety and not just the traditional safety. You need someone who is big and strong(physical) enough that can play the run and rush the passer yet athletic enough to drop in coverage and not be just or mostly be a box safety.

    • Stephen J says:

      One possibility of those LB/S type players is in this weekends Senior Bowl

      Dorian O’Daniel of Clemson 6’1″ 220 lbs.

      This year he has had 2 Int’s 51 Solo Tackles 11.5 TFL 5 Sacks 5 PBU’s 4 QBH’s

      Jon Ledyard says this about O’Daniel

      What he has: O’Daniel fits the prototypical modern day linebacker, with the range and closing speed to make a lot of plays in space. He’s a physical tackler with good instincts in coverage, often baiting quarterbacks into poor decisions in zone. He can also rush the passer situationally, and could be a good blitzer in the NFL.

      What he has to prove: O’Daniel’s read-and-react abilities still need refinement, and he isn’t the type to get off blocks readily if he’s caught stationary at the second level. He’ll rely heavily on his athleticism, which is good not great, and he will have to be a star in coverage to warrant a lot of attention at just 6-1, 220 pounds.

      Here is a preview of other Safeties in the Senior Bowl by Ledyard

  26. Stephen J says:

    Take this for what its worth (a grain of salt).

    Earlier today Luke Falk and a Pats scout were literally chatting in the bathroom.

  27. Daniel Sullivan says:

    Is there any suspension and fine on Gronk hit.
    Danny Amendola should get a big two or three year contract he has earned every penny
    of his money on and off field he is what a football player should be.

    • Stephen J says:

      Love Amendola he’s been phenomenal but at age 32 now and 33 later this year no way he gets a long term contract especially with his knee issues. Remember BB would rather move on from a player a year early than a year late. Wes Welker’s last year as a Pat was when he was 31 and he was tied for 2nd in receptions that year. Yes Wes wanted more than the Pats offered but the Pats did offer him a 2 year deal which would of brought him to the age of 33 which Danny will be later this year. Danny may get a 1 year deal but could be replaced by Phillip Dorsett next year. Danny was basically filling the shoes of Julian Edelman this year. Next year JE will be back and Phillip Dorsett would play that Danny Amendola role as the 4th-5th WR.

      • steve earle says:

        Not sure Dorsett is the slot WR type? I kept waiting for him to make an impact, I was assured he would, but never did. I think it’s far more likely Amendola gets another year and less likely Dorsett does.

        • Stephen J says:

          Not sure what your talking about he took a back seat to Amendola to learn the system this year but when called upon granted not often he produced like this weekend’s flea flicker play

          He had 3 receptions for 26 yards against the Jets

          Plus an under rated portion of his game is run blocking. He has helped RB’s spring a few big runs this year.

          He had a role this year to learn the play book and fill in when needed. Earlier in the year he struggled to get his timing down with Brady but since has improved as seen above in the flea flicker play.

        • Stephen J says:

          In an article written by Jim McBride recently

          Dorsett had this to say about the Pats Playbook

          “It is a monster, I’m not going to lie,’’ he said. “It’s definitely one of those things you have to stay on. You have to keep studying because when you think you have it, it’s like no, something else comes up and you don’t have it. So, you’ve got to keep studying.’’ He feels he’s made consistent progress and expects bigger things as he looks forward.

          Remember he has had to learn this on the fly as the regular season unfolded this year without the benefit of spring training summer camp and preseason.

        • Stephen J says:

          Something else to remember how many years did it take Amendola and Edelman to learn and catch on to the point they were being consistent reliable targets it wasn’t their 1st year more like their 2nd – 3rd years.

          Now if the Patriots go the draft route someone I’m looking at is Quadree Henderson of Pitt he fits Danny Amendola’s role well. He can return kick’s/punts is used out of the backfield as well as the slot.

          If the Patriots go the Free Agent route one potential target is Jacksonville’s Marqise Lee

          If the Patriots sign Amendola for 1 year a potential free agent target next year would be Nelson Agholor of the Eagles who the Pats have shown interest in but he doesn’t offer that kick/punt return experience while in the NFL

          One player I’m curious about is already on the Pats practice squad and that’s Riley McCarron. Outside of a couple practice squad players of the week awards I haven’t heard too much from/about him and his progression.

          Lastly one other player to keep an eye on is WR Benard Reedy. The Pats seem to like him they have brought him back as a Returner 3 times this year. He was just resigned last week to the 53 man roster. He has been used on special teams along with being a backup returner for Dion Lewis and Danny Amendola. He maybe just a stop gap this year or he maybe learning the playbook while here to take more of a role next year on offense.

      • steve earle says:

        What I’m talking about is lack of notable production. How do you judge someone on a few snaps in a few games. WE were able to get him because his production did not match his hyped skills. It may turn out that you are right but there is an equal chance you are not. As far as I’m concerned he still has to prove he can do what Amendola can. It may be instinct, it may be lack of understanding or playing time, I don’t know, I just haven’t seen enough from him to feel comfortable.

    • steve earle says:

      Just think, not that long ago there was talk about replacing him and what Rookie WR would fill his shoes.

  28. Russell says:

    Patriots O-line played very well for the most part, against a tough D-line. Philly brings similar D-line with rotational guys, maybe a quicker bunch. Jacksonville LB were every where, Smith, & Jacks are much quicker than Philly’s LB group.

    • steve earle says:

      Yes they did and have to rethink our OL draft needs. Give credit where credit is due Bortles had his best game ever to date. Their O-line was every bit as good as ours too. What a game! Some on tweeter reporting Patriots cheated. Can see how they feel that way, we have Brady.

  29. Daniel Sullivan says:


    Awesome game Brady, Amendola, Harrison, Dorsett and Gilmore. Gronk get well soon.

    Maybe the Sox can get the some kind of aggresiveness signing JR Martinez.

    Bring on the Super Bow Pats well done by all.

    • Daniel Sullivan says:

      Correction it’s J.D. Martinez for the Sox and a great future Assistant Coach would
      be Matthew Slater and he had a great game.

  30. Turbo says:

    Holy shit this game was something else. It was like SB all over again. In the second half the team dominated the shit out of the Jags. Defense killed the run, offesne came alive WITHOUT GRONK. TB the “comeback kid” strikes again, Donny “Playoff” Amendola with a really special performance.

    Reading the crybabies comments is going to be a bonus.

  31. Russell says:

    I would like to see Jared Mayo on BB coaching staff.

  32. Stephen J says:

    Applying The Bill Parcell’s Rules for Drafting A QB

    Here is where the stats I use originated from. In this article it describes breaks down those rules. The one thing that this article doesn’t do is update those stats due to changes that have happened since Bill Parcell’s retired. Such as a 65 % passing rating instead of 60%. A 3-1 interception rate instead of 2-1. The two coaches who follow this principle religiously BB and Tom Coughlin.

    • steve earle says:

      Really great site Stephen. If we were in the QB market I still like Rudolph. Anyway also looked cat the other articles there. In the Mock they have us taking McGlunchey OT. Jeeze how likely is that? Not very but? Also like the Sr. Bowl OL and Edge assessments. I’m still high on Davenport and Ejiorfor. Anyway, thanks for these insights.

      • steve earle says:

        It’s not cat Earle, it’s an at. Sorry I have no idea how I hit the c on that one.

      • Stephen J says:

        I’m early on in my evaluation process but with Rudulph here is what I have with him. He comes from a heavy RPO(Run Pass Option) offense so he will have a steep learning curve. Secondly when his 1st or 2nd reads aren’t there his feet can get happy and move him out of the pocket where he is less effective. In other words he tends to panic when the orginal play doesn’t work out due to him reading the defense wrong or the defense covers his players. His arm strength is there. He has the physical tools but his IQ beyond the basic concepts and initial reads and his mental processing of those concepts and initial reads needs work/improvement.

  33. Russell says:

    One small area to remember when scouting prospects the Patriots like to see is improvement over their College career. With QB’s, and the “bench marks ” Stephen J talks about (very important) you would like to see steady improvement each year in the SAME program scheme, OC, & head coach. This displays a learning process, to get better. QB Taylor Lamb is unique ( like Matt Linehan ) by having family members in Coaching at a high level, OUTSIDE there team coaches. This offers the “learning process” to remain in motion outside the team structure.
    The second thing to remember about QB’s, is offensive line around them, as well as quality of their WR’s, TE’s , etc. QB’s do make good recievers , BUT good recievers helps a QB when “bench Marks” are included. QB Rudoloph very likely had the best recievers , while Mayfield , may have the best O-line.

    • Stephen J says:

      Now one of the things brought up between Mayfield and Rudolph is that Mayfield threw to open receivers while Rudolph threw his receivers open. That break down can be heard in this video

      Starting with the Rudolph breakdown at the 7:21 mark but specifically what I mentioned above at the 9:56 to 10:53 marks.

      • steve earle says:

        Rudolph throwing receivers open speaks to me of ball placement. He has the ability to fit his passes into just the right spot, this I really value in a pro QB. If, a big if, BB were to draft him with, say the SF 2nd, I certainly would not be looking for a bridge to jump from. Would I be shocked? Yes, unhappy no.

    • Stephen J says:

      Just came across this about Taylor Lamb. Beginning the 2017 season he was 2nd to Baker Mayfield among active Football Bowl Subdivision quarterbacks in games won with 27. This year he won 9 more for a total of 36. He played in 51 games so his final win percentage comes out to be 70.59% of the games he has played in won. I haven’t tracked that stat but found it interesting.

  34. Stephen J says:

    Just as a reminder one thing to consider with the QB’s that hasn’t been mentioned this year is their hand size. The larger the hand size the easier it is to grip the ball. As far as the Pats go Jimmy G has 9 1/4 inches Tom Brady has 9 3/8 inches Jacoby Brissett had 9 3/4 inches while Ryan Mallet had 10 3/4 inches. Now while it’s not the only thing that helps determine zip on the ball it is one of the key factors.

    There are many factors but one PART of what makes the shorter QB’s successful is that hand size. Drew Breese 10 1/4 inches Russell Wilson 10 1/4 inches.

  35. Stephen J says:

    I came across this and thought I’d pass it along

    Per Jon Ledyard

    Players not participating in Senior Bowl:

    Rashaan Evans
    Billy Price
    Mason Rudolph
    Anthony Miller
    Sony Michel
    Nick Chubb
    Maurice Hurst
    Courtland Sutton
    Skai Moore
    Kamrin Moore
    Martinas Rankin
    Frank Ragnow
    Shaun Dion Hamilton
    Derrick Nnadi
    Duke Ejiofor
    Harold Landry
    Davin Bellamy
    Anthony Averett
    Darren Carrington
    Jamarco Jones
    Braden Smith
    Bradley Chubb
    Lorenzo Carter
    Josey Jewell

  36. Russell says:

    Watched Mel Kipers Mock, and while I don’t agree with every selection he made, it does shed some light on player line-up on the board,, maybe. Kiper had the Patriots selecting Rasheem Green DE ,USC, which is early in my Opinion. A better option would be Orlando Brown OT. (who will go much higher) than Kiper calls for. Kiper also has Brian ONeil OT going #16 1st round (VERY unlikely)
    It looks more like BB trades the pick, with maybe Detroit who needs to jump ahead of the NYG to get RB Derrius Guice. BB getting 2nd (#51) & 3d (#82).
    The other interesting thing was that Connor Williams OT/G was listed at #31, and may even drop into the 2nd round.
    A surprise was seeing CB Mike Hughes Central Florida in the 1st round, AND seeing the Colts pass on RB Barkley for DE Chubb????? (seems unlikely)
    Special thanks to Stephen J for his interesting updates on East-West Practice !!!!

    • steve earle says:

      Mel Kiper is greatly over rated it seems to me Russell. But then how many mockers get the draft all that close? Kiper’s fame is because he is on TV draft broadcasts every year. Glad it’s not my job I’d look pretty foolish most of the time then again doesn’t he?

    • EdgeX says:

      It’s only January.

      Wayyyy too early to take any of these mocks as final and to have teams show any inkling of what they are really going to do.

      We still have the combine, free agency, and pro-days to change draft needs and team’s minds on players.

  37. JH says:

    Thanks for the response, Stephen J. I decided to just put my response at the top of this thread cause its a very long response and will probably be easier to read up here.

    Anyways, don’t get me wrong, but I’m hoping Lauletta kills the senior bowl and shows off a live arm. I think we both see that Lauletta has potential but we have different stances on McGough, and the reason we are disagreeing is because of personal preference.

    To start, I focus more on a quarterbacks final year stats versus their career stats. As long their career numbers aren’t super bad and they show improvement leading up to a great final year, then they check out to me.

    McGough obviously had a rough freshman year, but he was very lightly recruited and the fact he won the starting job at all was pretty impressive considering his low profile. Sure, he struggled, but an unknown freshman quarterback at FIU probably wasn’t expected to put up great numbers. He then made a huge jump in his sophomore year, with his only controversial stat being the 6.5 Y/A.

    The one problem with my philosophy was his junior year. When I found out about all the things that went wrong for FIU that year, it made me feel a lot better about it. Just to refresh, he only played 9 games, 4 with one coach and then 5 with another. I think that alone is much worse then having a different O-coordinator every year as you would have an offseason to prepare versus an in-season adjustment. On top of that, McGough played 6 of 9 games without one of his top two targets and all 9 games without an offensive lineman with more than 1 year of experience. In my opinion, its hard to criticize him too harshly for such a chaotic year.

    Then he obviously had a great senior year, where he graded out as the 6th best rated QB by PFF and had great overall stats across the board. My personal preferences stats-wise only apply to their final year (assuming decent stats and improvement in previous years), which is mid-60’s comp% or higher, around 8.0 Y/A, over 200 ypg, and preferably under 10 interceptions with few being “bad” interceptions. He checks all the statistical boxes for me.

    Now, obviously his stats weren’t perfect over his career, but I think its important to view his stats in context. For example, I stand by the fact that his low Y/A in his first three years was a product of the offense he ran. I don’t think its a coincidence that he registered 6.1, 6.5, and 6.6 Y/A in those 3 years under the same coach (minus 5 games) and then spiked up to 7.9 Y/A in a full season with his new coach. If he was a “dink and dunk” passer, then why didn’t his Y/A stay the same for his senior year? It’s because he was put in a different offense.

    Regardless of the reasons behind his low Y/A, I would have only been worried about it if he was throwing short passes to his first read play after play, like a lot of college QB’s do. McGough doesn’t do this… he shows the ability to go through his progressions and deliver an accurate, high velocity ball, and if you can do that I think you can succeed in the NFL, especially someone with McGough’s frame, athletic ability, and arm strength. He’s also a very smart player (most interceptions this year were either tipped or jump ball scenarios) he’s a 4 year starter, he’s highly regarded by his coach, he shows leadership skills, and he shows great football character and toughness. What more can you ask from a QB prospect?

    I do question his release, but I’ve looked at it extensively and while I don’t think its elite, I also don’t think it should be considered a negative. Its appears to be just average, but the important thing is that his mechanics are smooth.

    I’ve already stated why I believe his stats freshman and junior year weren’t very good, and I think they’re legit reasons. If you take out those two years (which may be considered cheating but just highlights his potential), he ends up with 64.7% comp. with 2.4 TD-INT ratio. One of those years was played in a pro-style offense and the other in a spread, which highlights his ability to play and know multiple schemes.

    Lastly, stats can’t tell the whole story about a player in my opinion. You have to consider his tools as a QB along with his stats in context. You could have someone that owned the college game and has all 6 of your thresholds but is 5’10” and has a weak arm. To me you have to have a good mixture of tools and stats and McGough to me has both, especially when you look at his stats in previous years in context.

    I actually didn’t mention the injury to the wrist to make him look better, I mentioned it to indicate it wasn’t a serious injury because it was on his non-throwing arm. His recent collarbone injury is also on his non throwing shoulder, which is a plus.

    The funny thing is if Lauletta ends up proving he has a strong enough arm, I think he would become my favorite prospect despite all the defending I do for McGough, with Lauletta’s quick release being the difference. Regardless, I think McGough can succeed in this league if given the right opportunity, and as I stated earlier I thing the root of our disagreements with him is simply because of personal preferences.

    • Stephen J says:

      1 I don’t pick and choose either they make or they don’t not they just missed. I don’t make excuses for why they made it or missed it. Now I will use a whole year as a reference point to see where they stand progress they made. So in that regard yes he made progress in his senior year. That is the best I can say about him but even being his best year he didn’t achieve those benchmarks statistically in that year and no where’s close overall.
      2 While I may start with statistics it is by no means the only thing I look at that would be foolish and not paint an accurate picture and assessment. Characteristics also play a big role. Such as this from JReidDraftScout
      1. Confidence
      2. Accuracy
      3. Decision Making
      4. Mental Processing/Progressions
      5. Footwork
      6. Poise
      7. Pocket Presence
      8. Leadership/Command
      9. Football I.Q.
      10. Mobility

      These are my 10 key QB characteristics.

      3 Schemes players can play ie CB’s good man bad zone player good at pressing.

      4 Measurements and times.

      All these play a role and come into play.

      Yes Statistics is my strong point and I begin there to help me begin to eliminate the hoards of players coming out to a reasonable amount. Remember out of the hundreds to near a thousand players in the draft we will only select 6-10 approx 1-2% at most. I then move on to Characteristics/Schemes where I rely more on others who understand and see those on film better than I. I have approx 12 people I like and respect and use their input along with mine
      to form a rough idea of a player.

      Finally I use the measurements and times to get it narrowed down even further.

      • JH says:

        I think if we found a quarterback with all of those things we’d be in great shape!! Sorry for misunderstanding your philosophy, it just initially seemed like stats were the only thing you were looking at. I would say I have a relatively similar philosophy, basically a mixture of stats, tools/skills, measurements/times, smarts and character.

        I think the two things we’ll always disagree on is stats in context and our specific statistical preferences. I don’t really mind that you dismiss a QB if they don’t make your preferences, even if they’re in a situation that makes it hard for them to succeed. If that’s your philosophy then you should stick to it. I differ from that because when I here about that chaotic junior year I’m more inclined to not be as harsh on it. We’ll always differ there, but at the end of the day we’re just trying to predict who will be good and that’s always good fun.

        As far as the specific statistical preferences go, I think everyone wants to see the sort of stats you try to look for. However, I think we differ because I’m not as strict about whether or not they make a certain category. If there’s a QB thats .5 yards off a stat preference or .3% off a certain completion percentage then I’m not gonna worry about it. I would say I look more at whether or not there’s any glaring negatives about the stats and if there isn’t then I try to find out what sort of skills/tools they bring to the table. Again, just a matter of one philosophy versus another.

        The question I have for you, Stephen J, is have there been any QB’s that have made your stat preferences and shown to have good skills/tools for the NFL? You may have said some in previous posts but I can’t remember.

        • Stephen J says:

          Statistical Benchmarks for 2018 QB Draft

          Baker Mayfield 6’1″ 220 lbs Hand Size ???
          Attempts to Int..49.9…………….50
          Passer Rating….174.08…………150.0

          5 of 6

          Mason Rudolph 6’5″ 230 lbs Hand Size ???(find out at Senior Bowl)
          Attempts to Int.55.65….50
          Passer Rating..158.15….150.0

          5 of 6

          Luke Falk 6’4″ 223 lbs Hand Size ???(Senior Bowl)
          Attempts to Int….52.67….50.0
          Comp %…………..68.31….65.0
          Passer Rating…….142.22..150.0

          4 of 6

          JT Barrett 6’1″ 220 lbs Hand Size 10 inches
          Attempts to Int..40.03….50.0
          Passer Rating…..151.1…150.0

          3 of 6

          Riley Feguson 6’2 3/4″ 196 lbs Hand Size 9 3/4

          Attempts to Int..48.26…..50.0
          Passer Rating……156.92..150.0

          3 of 6

          Logan Woodside 6’2″ 210 lbs Hand 9 3/8 inches
          Attempts to Int…46.64……50.0
          Passer Rating……149.11….150.0

          4 of 6

          Louis Perez 6’2″ 224 lbs Hand size 9 7/8
          Attempts to Int…61.56….50.0
          Passer Rating……?????….150.0

          4 of 6

          **Nic Shimonek 6’2″ 218 lbs Hand 9 inches
          Attempts to Int…50.27….50.0
          Passer Rating……152.39…150.0

          5 of 6 ** Basically 1 complete season 13 games in senior year

          Other QB who had a great year but as a career finished under 3 of 6 benchmarks

          Mike White 6’4″ 225 lbs Hand Size ???
          Attempt to Int…44.94…………59.43….70.0……50.0
          TD to Int……….2.39…………..5.29……3.25……3.0

          Career 2 out of 6 2016 6 out of 6(If you average 30 games out over 4 years 7.5)
          2017 4 out of 6. His Fresh and Soph years were bad which is what pulled down his career stats. So he had 2 out of 4 years where he exceeded the Benchmarks.

          Another QB who didn’t exceed the benchmarks for his career but did so during his career was Tylor Lamb 6’2″ 200 lbs Hand Size 9 3/8″
          Attempt to INT.38.75……….56.17………31.44……32.78……50.0
          TD to INT……..2.81…………4.50………..3.44……..1.89…….3.0
          Comp %………60.81……….61.1………..60.1………61.4…….65.0
          Passer %……..146.23……..152.23……..160.71…..142.08….150.0

          Taylor Lamb’s Freshman and Jr years are what brought his career stats down. For his career he only exceeded 1 out 6 benchmarks. In 2017 he exceeded 5 of 6. In 2015 he exceeded 4 of 6. So he exceeded at least 3 of 6 benchmarks for 2 years in his career but as a career only 1 benchmark was exceeded.

          Just for you JH here is Alex McGough’s Career and Best Year 2017 and how they match to the Benchmarks

          Alex McGough 6’3″ 218 lbs Hand Size ???
          Attempts to INT..36.08………44.38…..50.0
          TD to INT………..1.76……….2.13…….3.0
          Comp %…………60.38……..65.40……65.0
          Passer Rating %.126.68…….142.90….150.0

          Career 1 of 6 Benchmarks
          Best year 2017 2 of 6 Benchmarks

        • Stephen J says:

          Kyle Lauletta 6’3″ 215 lbs Hand Size ??? Unofficial 9 inches
          Attempt to INT…35.34………41.1….50.0
          Passer Rating…..151.3………153.20..150.0

          Career 3 of 6 Best Year 2017 4 of 6

  38. Stephen J says:

    Here are the official weigh in results NFLPA Bowl

    National Team

  39. Stephen J says:

    Here are the official weigh in results from the NFLPA Bowl

    American Team

  40. Stephen J says:

    Day 3 West Practice Notes Shrine Game

    Since I wasn’t available for the West(afternoon) practice I gathered up what I could from those that were on site.

    While running a route against no defenders Miss St WR Jordan Thomas makes a terrific one-handed grab along the sideline

    This from Jeff Risdon

    Cent Michigan DE Joe Ostman backside run contain. Shed the block, stuck the runner. Perfect leverage and play termination.

    ND S Cole Reyes getting some good coverage reps. Nice anticipation of routes/breaks and good enough acceleration to stick

    SMU DE Justin Lawler just annihilated the RT and slammed NorthWestern RB Justin Jackson for a TFL with one arm. His studly week continues

    Houston WR Steven Dunbar with two great end zone snags in a row. Quickly corralled both on way to ground. Every catch from these West QBs in this wind is an adventure

    Wisconsin DB Natrell Jamerson hadn’t done much for me this week until the last team drill, where he dominated. Had a pick, showed range & anticipation, crushed a run fill

    This from Chase Goodbread

    Texas Tech QB Nic Shimonek hits UH(Houston)WR Steven Dunbar in the endzone. Illinois State’s Davontae Harris defending.

    Wisconsin LB Leon Jacobs with a nice hit on Northwestern RB Justin Jackson. He can get to the sideline for a 245-pounder.

    One more quick note on UNI WR Daurice Fountain… said his pre-testing prior to beginning combine training included an 11-1 broad jump and a 40-inch vert.

    This from Zach Goodall

    CB Malik Reaves with the route-jumping interception

    Prospect getting love at West practice: Az CB Dane Cruikshank. His length, ball skills and work ethic are appealing.

    Now here is Jon Ledyard talking to Tampa Bay Tre who has been there 1st hand about today’s practice

    As a side note I have Family Matters to attend to so I won’t be around to watch tomorrow’s practice which is the last one before the game on Sat.

  41. Stephen J says:

    Just throwing this out there. I had a thought this morning while reflecting on Washington St Cody O’Connell and how/where to use him. Since his size may come into play in the middle of the OL and he may struggle on the edges/outside with speed what if you used him as a DT since he has good short area quickness and the size to go with it.

    • steve earle says:

      I suppose it could be possible for him to learn the skills but they are a whole different set. He sure has the size to take up space but I’d really expect he would be tried at LOG where he played most of his career and was very effective. It would take a coach with a lot of guts to try to make that shift.

    • steve earle says:

      How has he looked, by the way? Doesn’t sound as though anything good or bad from the lack of any reports on him so far. Another thought on that move I have to wonder how he would think of it. Knowing nothing about his personality he could be the kind that would not go for that change or he could be a “anything they want” kind. Any thoughts?

  42. Stephen J says:

    I’ve heard about NorthWestern’s RB Justin Jackson a few weeks ago and wanted to see more of him since and was waiting to see how he did this week. Well this morning I did more research on him specifically his carry/fumble ratio while I was researching that I found out he became NorthWestern’s all time Leading Rusher and he finished his career 10th among the NCAA’s leading rushers with 5,440 yards. Now between rushing attempts and receptions he touched the ball a whooping 1264 times and fumbled 4 times which means he fumbles the ball 1 out of every 316 touches. That places him 1st in this years RB class in this category of those I charted just ahead of RB Ronald Jones of USC who fumbles the ball 1 in 311 touches(623 touches/2 lost fumbles).

    • Stephen J says:

      In a film session with Justin Jackson’s coach at NorthWestern during his Soph year he said the Great RB’s run side to side change direction as fast as they run forward and Justin’s got that.
      The more tape I watch of him one thing that keeps coming up is something Matt Waldman pointed out in one of his videos he did on Justin Jackson and that is the amount of times he makes several cuts in one play to keep moving forward and gain those extra yards. He sees the field extremely well and quickly processes and decides where to go and what to do.

  43. Stephen J says:

    Day 3 East Practice Notes Shrine Game

    OSU LB Chris Worley vs. USF RB D’Ernest Johnson in a pass rush/block drill. Worley wins.

    OSU LB Chris Worley laying the smack down on USF RB D’Ernest Johnson on a running play in team drills

    From Jeff Risdon In Passing Drills OSU LB Chris Worley darn near stripped Minnesota State TE Damon Gibson’s jersey off

    Slippery Rock DE Marcus Martin used a delay then sidestepped Miami Fl OT KC McDermott outside shoulder and went flying by him for a would-be sack.

    WR Daesean Hamilton roasted PSU teammate Grant Haley on an outside cut.

    Per Trevor Sikkema CB Avonte Maddox(5-9, 180) is having a really nice week. Playing with the first team now. Closing/recovery speed is very nice.

    FSU LB Jacob Pugh decleated TE Damon Gibson from Minnesota State-Moorhead after the catch. What a hit. Props to Gibson for holding onto ball after that hit.

    DT Deadrin Senat anchors then tosses C Brad Lundblade aside like a rag doll to get the run stop

    Penn WR Justin Watson having a nice day in 1 vs 1’s 3 catches.

    OSU S Damon Webb with the Int after being tipped into the air by Pitt CB Avonte Maddox from a pass by OSU QB JT Barrett to Red 28

    UNI WR Daurice Fountain showing up in 1 vs 1’s and team drills again today. Caught everything thrown in his direction. Also playing with OSU QB JT Barrett and the 1’s.

    Injury Update

    Syracuse OT Jamar McGloster, who left in an ambulance yesterday, is back at East practice today with a cast on his right hand/wrist

    Fordham RB Chase Edmonds did not practice today was icing ankle

    Now here are some notes I pulled together from Ryan Booher who has been right there on scene this week

    East practice has been weird in that the two ‘names’ at the WR spot have their share of struggles. Penn St DeaSean Hamilton has let far too many balls into his frame, has not looked natural catching the rock away from his frame.

    Pitt WR Jester Weah was pretty non-descript both practices, and has had some struggles creating separation and has had a few drops throughout the week so far

    Conversely, two guys who have stood out have been Daurice Fountain of Northern Iowa and Justin Watson of Penn. Fountain has a very well put together, well proportioned frame. Had a drop yesterday but has shown really good transition skills after the catch. Has some suddenness

    As for Justin Watson, the combination of how quick his feet are and how efficient he is with his movements had my eyes struggling to believe he measured in slightly over 6’2

    Last year Shrine practices had quite a few TE’s who really stood out, other than a couple catches with a defender glued to him by David Wells, it has been a pretty tough week for the group on both the East and the West. Lots of drops and not much separation at all

    Brian Allen has been exactly the same player you saw from Michigan State. Never physically dominant yesterday, yet also won most of his individual matchups

    NC St DE Kentavius Street is a very large, strong dude. Had an offsides, one rep where he lost his balance and Mich St C Brian Allen got him to the ground. Smoked W Va G Kyle Bosch quickly as well

    USF DT Deadrin Senat showed a pretty strong anchor vs double teams and was able to keep his shoulders square to the LOS. Has been a tough assignment for his man

    UConn DT Folorunso Fatukasi has been very impressive, had Ok St C Brad Lundblade on skates back to back reps

  44. Stephen J says:

    Here is another in depth analysis of this weeks practices at the East West Shrine Game

  45. Stephen J says:

    Well the East West Shrine game is not the only College game this weekend with practices happening. The NFLPABowl or Collegiate Bowl is also happening. There are a few prospects that I’m keeping my eye on.

    The first is CB Charvarius Ward from Middle Tenn. Why Charvarius Ward you ask well if you don’t know he is both Glover Quin’s and Malcolm Butler’s cousin. He plays very much like Malcolm does and he’s spoken with at least a half dozen teams in the last two days.

    The second prospect that I’ve been waiting to see and hear more from is JSU (Jacksonville St) EDGE Darius Jackson. He is my top small school prospect this year. He is fun to watch. He was just voted 2017’s Buck Buchanan Award winner which is given to the FCS’ top defensive player. Well you may say he’s from a small school what about facing the big boys. Well in 2016 he went against LSU and he had 5 Tackles 1 Sack 2 TFL 1 Pass Deflection and 1 FF. Not surprisingly with those stats against LSU he is the schools all time sack leader with 20.5 and the schools all time TFL leader with 40.0. He is listed as 6’3″ 242 lbs on JSU’s website and has a combine invite.

    The last player that I’m keeping my eyes on is Tulane’s CB Parry Nickerson. He is 6’0″ 180 lbs. He had 6 Int’s 48 Solo Tackles 2.0 TFL and 8 PBU’s. PFF had him with a 43.2 passer rating when targeted which led all AAC draft eligible CB’s. Parry can also get down the field in a hurry on Special Teams and make open field tackles.

  46. Stephen J says:

    In an interview tonight with Zach Goodall

    Northwestern RB Justin Jackson told Zach he models his game after LeSean McCoy for his elusiveness. Considers himself to be an “every-down type of back”, and believes he can succeed in power or zone blocking schemes.

    Well he used some of that elusiveness to break free and stamper down the field for a big gain today.

    • kevin z says:

      was jw what round do you see him going in? would he be worth it for our Pats? sounds interesting hoping get a RB that is versatile just in case lewis leaves. plus Lewis N Burkhead haven’t proven to be durable. I do like lewis and Burkhead very much though

      • Stephen J says:

        Not sure where he falls right now to tell you the truth. Usually players in the Shrine Game are mid to late and undrafted players. He definitely hasn’t been mentioned all that much up until now. It may come down to how he does in the game itself and if he gets a call up to the Senior Bowl due to injury as well as the combine to where he goes.

  47. Stephen J says:

    One the questions I can hear being asked is what about Joe Ostman. Remember last year and Hunter Dimick. Joe Ostman reminds of him and his situation. Someone that was very productive in college but went undrafted mainly because of his short arm length. I am asking myself is he this years version of Hunter Dimick because of his short arms as well.

  48. EdgeX says:

    Good news: for Marcus Davenport. Matt Miller says with a big week in the senior bowl he can see his stock rise to a 1st round draft pick.

    Bad news: for Patriot’s fans the chances he’s around at their first draft pick just got slimmer.

  49. Stephen J says:

    Colorado’s RB Phillip Lindsay may only be 5’07 3/8″ but he can pass protect picked up the blitz well. Nice quick cuts but don’t ask him to kick FG’s his went up about 30 feet but only 15 feet forward.

    Poona Ford no match against Cody O’Connell on a running play but Ford blows by Utah’s G Salesi Uhatafe on another running play with ease. Nice initial burst. Ford for the most part struggling to get off of blocks.

    As a side note. The one problem with Cody O’Connell’s size is his size when playing him at Left Guard. QB’s have a hard time seeing past over him when throwing on his side. The guy is just massive. Just about all the running plays went to his side while the passing plays went to the other side.

    Az CB Dane Cruikshank with a nice pick and return. Cruikshank also breaks up a pass from Sam Houston St QB Jeremiah Briscoe to Miss St WR Jordan Thomas. Cruikshank has played CB and FS. More like Devin Mccourty than Patrick Chung.

    Northwestern RB Justin Jackson with a nice move to break free and get out into the open.

    Illinois State DB Davonte Harris knows how to lay the hammer down but doesn’t wrap up. On another play Harris deflects a pass.

    Nebraska CB Joshua Kalu gets beat deep by WR Jake Weinke but comes up with a nice tip on outstretched arms to breakup the pass at the last moment.

    Man it doesn’t matter where and who lines up against Joe Ostman he is making plays all over the field earlier he had a swim move to beat Ark St TE Blake Mack then another swim move to beat San Diego St TE David Wells on the same play to get into the backfield. Ostman then beat LT Greg Senat (who has been one of the better OT out here for the west) to the inside to get into the backfield. The play had moved to the right side and throw already made but for a guy with short arms no one seem to get a hold of him or contain him.

    RT Greg Senat pancakes Arkansas St Ja’Von Rolland-Jones. As a side note Greg Senat won a 60 yard dash among the OL man.

    Joe Ostman once again this time he beats Oklahoma St RT Zachary Crabtree with ease.

    Troy, Jordan Chunn (6-3, 235) able to get to outside and turn upfield for some yards.

    Another name today that also showed up yesterday is Missouri DE Marcell Frazier who used his length and burst to get pressure a couple of times today.

    Eric Galko’s West Practice
    Tuesday “Winners”:

    #Northwestern RB Justin Jackson
    @GoJacksFB WR Jake Wieneke
    #Nebraska CB Josh Kalu
    #Arizona CB Dane Cruikshank
    #Colorado SAF Afolabi Laguda

    • Stephen J says:

      DraftBreakdowns Justin: West Standouts of the day

      West standouts: Marcell Frazier DE Mizzou, Dane Cruikshank DB UA, Dejon Allen OL Hawaii, Phillip Lindsay RB CU, Justin Jackson RB NU

      Few more West players who had a good day: Secdrick Cooper DB LT, Davontae Harris CB Illinois St, Josh Kalu CB Nebraska, Bilal Nichols DL Delaware, and Bryce Bobo WR CU

      • steve earle says:

        Question’s: Do you think Cody O’Connell could switch to RT? The narrative that quicker DT’s will just run around him seem accurate to you after watching him at LG? Is he likely to move up or down in draft evals?

        • Stephen J says:

          That’s hard to say I’ve just seen him play G where it is short area quickness where as Tackle you have way more area to cover. He can cover up his slowness(speed) being at G not so much at T. When they ran the 60 yard dash he was last and it wasn’t even close. Strength and short area quickness he has. Speed and Stamina(being able to cover distances and breaking out of his stances) he does not. Now is that quickness and strength good enough for T I would tend to say no but realistically I don’t know.

        • Stephen J says:

          As far as moving up or falling down draft boards that’s also hard to say. As the saying goes all it takes is one. That maybe determined in the game this weekend. So stay tuned and find out.

      • steve earle says:

        Sounds reasonable re OT and agree his 6-8 1/2 is issue at guard but I can’t help being intrigued by his blocking ability. Wish I could see the game but staying tuned for your reports.

  50. Daniel Sullivan says:

    First Gillete Stadium needs to step up with security. When people are acting like
    animals steeling wheelchairs from disabled. You have a Pats ticket not a license to be a animal.

    Patriots Mock Draft
    1 Chukwuma Okorafor OT Western Michigan
    2 Lorenzo Carter OLB Georgia
    2 Deontay Burnett WR USC
    3 Mike Hughes CB Central Florida
    4 Anthony Everett CB Alabama
    6 Adam Breneman TE Umass

    I saw Jaguars against Patriots this year they are very good DB’s must have a great game for Patriots to win.

    Finally Red Sox move on from Martinez not the leader Sox need sign Neil Walker INF and
    Logan Morrison 1B/DH and think “Spring Traing”.

    Go Pats!

  51. JH says:

    Question for anyone to answer… would you rather have a QB with a big arm but just an average release, or a QB with just average arm strength and a lightning quick release?

    Reason I ask is because I now have 2 favorites at the position, Alex McGough from FIU (who I’ve touched on) and Kyle Lauletta from Richmond.

    They both are relatively similar… but the biggest difference is what I’m describing above.

    McGough has a big arm and can virtually throw a fast ball in any situations, but his release isn’t lightning quick. It’s very smooth and looks to be mechanically sound, but just isn’t super fast.

    Lauletta, meanwhile, can only get good velocity on the ball if his steps into it perfectly, and even then he sometimes doesn’t always get the ball going too fast. However, his release is super quick.

    I’m looking forward to how Lauletta does in the Senior Bowl which may answer any questions about his arm strength. McGough on the other hand will probably only have his pro day to show off his arm, unless if he gets an unexpected invite to the combine. There are some FIU football highlights on youtube that highlight his potential (which I think are worth watching), but other than that there is limited tape on him. Anyways, what do y’all think? Arm strength or quick release?

    • GM-in-Training says:

      You want a QB who can make all the throws accurately with a quick release.

      Kurt Warner was one of the original quick release guys. He cut his teeth in the Arena League where seeing quickly and releasing quickly was necessary for survival.

      It’s harder to measure how quickly a QB thinks than how quickly he releases, but those two are only really useful if they go together.

      • JH says:

        Agreed. McGough has a smooth thowing motion and although his release isn’t super fast its not slow either. The question is whether or not its quick ENOUGH, which I don’t know the answer to.

        Lauletta needs to prove he has enough arm strength at the senior bowl, which I’m eager to see. He no doubt already has the quick release going for him.

    • Stephen J says:

      Here is an in depth Scouting Report I posted Previously on Lauletta

      In it, it says Lauletta has sufficient arm strength to test a secondary deep at approximately the 50-55 yard range, even when throwing from the far hash.(There’s video that shows him doing so)
      While his arm strength is sufficient, he doesn’t fit every system. He’s best suited for a west coast timing-based offense.

      Hope this helps answer your question

      • Stephen J says:

        Here is something else to consider while in and of itself from a statistical point of view it may not be an accurate accessment but look at their Y/A. Lauletta isn’t the one you should be concerned about throwing the deep ball

        Here is Alex McGough

        Here is Kyle Lauletta

        Now not saying this is the case but Alex McGough seems to dink and dink more often than throw it deep than Kyle Lauletta does on average. You like to see a college QB ave 8.0 Y/A. He doesn’t even reach that.

        The other thing that concerns me about McGough is he had a bad freshman year, a good sophmore year, back to a bad junior year, and a good senior year. He is inconsistent.
        That’s just my take though and like I posted previously I AM PICKY.

        • JH says:

          I’m picky too, but I think with scouting a player thats not a bad thing!!

          I hear you’re points about McGough, but let me counter them for a sec. I am definitely NOT worried about the deep ball with him. If you watch him play he clearly has the arm for it and is very accurate throwing deep. Not only does he get it there with ease but its where the receiver wants it too.

          I think the yards per attempt is lower simply because of the offense he’s in. It’s not that he’s just throwing the first read or easy throw all the time either, you can see that he makes multiple reads often.

          Additionally, you mention 8.0 is a good threshold and he was at 7.9 his final year, so I think thats pretty much close enough. It was much lower than that the first three years, but he actually played mostly in a pro-style offense for his first 3 years under the same coach (until that coach was fired midseason the 3rd year) and then the spread his last year, so that was also probably a product of the offense he was in. If anything, it shows he has experience and can learn a new playbook quickly.

          As far as the decline in production during McGough’s junior year goes, there are numerous factors that play apart in that. He missed the last 3 games due to injury, which was a broken left wrist (non-throwing arm). His coach was fired midseason, so in the 9 games he played, 4 were with one coach and 5 were with another. The 2 best receivers on the team missed a combined 6 games. They didn’t have a single offensive lineman that had more than 1 year of experience. In summary, a mixture of youth, injury, and unfamiliarity all played into the decline, so I don’t think it’s fair to criticize him too harshly for the dip in production.

          With Lauletta, it actually details in that article you put up about him that his deep ball accuracy is “inconsistent”, and I can see this on film too. I know it says his arm strength is “sufficient”, but sometimes on film it just seems like he can’t get much under it. Like I said though, he may alleviate those concerns at the senior bowl and if he does he may become my favorite QB prospect over McGough.

        • Stephen J says:


          Excuse me for not getting back to this right away. I didn’t want to give a rushed half hearted answer

          Let’s start with this, I mentioned one good threshold is a college QB ave 8.0 Y/A. That is over his entire career not one year. His best year doesn’t even reach 8.0 never mind his career. For his career his average is 6.81 (9091 yards / 1335 passing attempts). Now with that in mind even with the low Y/A he doesn’t even reach another benchmark of a 65% completion rate. His is 60.37% to his credit that isn’t bad if he was averaging 8.0+ but for a dink and dunk passer it should be upwards of at least 67% just because they are higher percentage completion passes.

          As far as broken wrist Luke Falk played this year minus the 1st 2 games with a broken wrist(non throwing) and he completed 66.9% of his passes.
          Kyle Lauletta also tore his ACL late in his Junior year. It usually takes 2 years to fully get back to normal but Kyle played the following year and he completed 64.9% with a 8.6 Y/A.
          So Alex is not the only one that has faced injury issues.

          Plus you mentioned but sometimes on film it just seems like he can’t get much under it. How do you know that could be because of his ACL injury not being fully healed yet. You did also say Lauletta can only get good velocity on the ball if he steps into it perfectly. I am not saying that’s the case because he does lack that Ryan Mallet zip but its something to consider.

          In that same article it also mentions Richmond has had a different offensive coordinator every single season so Lauletta has faced the same challenges there as well and still produced.

          As far as deep ball accuracy yes it’s one PART of his game that isn’t great and without going back and checking each and everyone my guess is that is where a good percentage of his Int’s have come from which needs improvement. Kyle’s TD to Int ratio is 73 to 35 or 2.09 to 1 where you look for 3 to 1. Now Alex’s is 65 to 37 or 1.76 to 1. Just another area that Alex falls short in.

          I go through a list of 6 Statistical thresholds/benchmarks with QB’s and if they don’t reach at least 3 I pretty much say Next. My Pickiness especially when it comes to QB’s.

          Now with that said I’m not super excited about or a huge fan of Kyle Lauletta. If he is chosen I would say ok I can see his positives and there could be worse but I’d live with it. I was just using him as an example since you brought him up as a comparison.

    • steve earle says:

      This is a classic question of intangibles. It will come down to can one or either overcome the weakness of their game to be successful in the pros?

  52. Stephen J says:

    Michigan State C Brian Allen been showing up the last 2 days both from a physical technique point of view and from a Football IQ point of view. Been holding his ground against the big DT’s and corrected a QB’s pre snap call because the QB read it wrong.

    LB Chris Worley blows by RB Chase Edmunds in pass rush blocking drill for an easy would be QB sack.
    After that play Edmunds left to trainers and appears to have sprained his ankle. Was done for the day.
    Later in interviews Worley said that he wanted to show he was more than a coverage LB

    QB JT Barrett has been the East’s most stand out QB through 2 practices. Today he put the ball between(split) 2 defenders to hit his WR on one play. Then placed it right on a TE on another play. He did throw a pass behind a TE which the TE tipped and CB DeVonta'(Dee) Delaney Miami Fl Intercepted it.
    CB Dee Delaney also pressed Pitts Jester Weah off the line in one play but also turn and ran well today.

    Mean while Quinton Flowers after a few reps was moved to Punt returner where he fielded Punts for the rest of the day.

    Jaryn Jones-Smith OT Pitt (long arms) went head to head against Chad Thomas DE Miami FL. 1st rep Thomas won by getting Jones-Smith to jump offsides then Jones-Smith rebounded by keeping Thomas at bay with those long arms of his.

    Syracuse OT Jamar McGloster who was having a good showing in pass protection(3 straight reps) in one play he kept DE Curtis Cothran Penn St contained on the outside by shuffling his feet using his hands and finally pushing him out away from the would be QB. He ended up leaving in an ambulance with what appeared to be a right arm injury.

    Yesterday I mentioned UNI WR Daurice Fountain well he showed up today. He showed off that speed and cutting ability in one play where he made a cut to get open on the sideline then cut it back in weaved his way through traffic and turned on the after burners for the would be TD. He then made a couple more catches the 1st one of those catches in traffic and then took that one to the house. The 2nd one was an under thrown pass from Riley Ferguson which he adjusted and came back to in order to make the catch along the sideline. He seemed to be Riley Ferguson’s go to guy here.

    Riley Ferguson has been inconsistent in his placement in the 1st 2 practices. Yesterday scouts said he has that Tom Brady build when TB was coming out of college.

    WR DaeSean Hamilton of Penn St had some early practice drops but had some separation in the slot

    FSU LB Matthew Thomas came up limping in a pass rush drill early on. Didn’t appear to be anything serious as he continued to play through it initially but didn’t see/hear anything else from him the rest of practice.

    Another name that keeps coming up but I haven’t seen anything from is Miami OL KC McDermott. Meaning he could be making plays but I haven’t seen any.

  53. kevin z says:

    Updated Mock (old one sticking with it):
    2nd – Duke Ejiorfor DE Wake Forest: this pick for depth plus learn from trey Flowers n Wise.
    2nd (trade) – OT Tyrell Crosby, Oregon: for help Protecting Brady extending career for Goat Key.
    2nd – RB Sony Michel GA Binkie: this goes with extending Brady. can protect him plus rush catch.
    3rd (trade) – LB M Kiser : Depth for Hightower also could lose Marquis Flowers.
    3rd –DT Poona Ford: branch will Gone nice have him learn from Brown and Guy.
    4th –OT Cunningham: Depth for line to help protect Brady goes along extending him
    6th – RB Ryan Nall, Oregon State: Nice Depth plus help short yardage. lewis burkehead Bolden may not be here long term
    7th –Coles Rayes SS N.Dak: Getting old there nice to learn from Chung before he gone

  54. Stephen J says:

    Well apparently those measurements that I posted yesterday weren’t the actual they were the estimates they had before they did the actual. So here is a link to that has the actual info that also includes arm lengths wing spans.

    One noticeable change for me was Deadrin Senat who was estimated at 305 lbs but actual was 322 so you may want to take a look at it to see your player

    Some notables Poona Ford DT TX Arm Length 33 1/2 309 lbs 5’11”

    Foley Fatukasi DT Conn 6’3 3/4″ 34 5/8″ Arm Length 318 lbs

    Greg Stroman 174 lbs

    Chad Thomas DE Miami 6’5 1/8″ 34 1/8″ Arm Length 276 lbs

    Cody O’Connell G Wash St 6’8 1/2″ 365 lbs 35 5/8″ Arm Length

  55. Matt says:

    2018 Pats Mock Draft

    Here me out here: Re-sign Solder for 1-2 more years

    1st – Rashaan Evans LB Alabama
    2nd – Sony Michel RB Georgia (Gillesle likely gone and wouldn’t be surprised if Burked prices himself out of New England)
    2nd – Duke Ejiofor, DE, Wake Forest (We desperately need more edge rushers)
    3rd – CB Tavares McFadden FSU (CB depth since Malcolm Butler is most likely gone)
    4th – (Projected Compensatory) Jaylen Samuels TE NC State (Move TE since Dwayne Allen is good as gone)
    4th – (Projected Compensatory) Luke Falk QB Washington State (Developmental QB)
    6th – OT prospect
    7th – (Projected Compensatory) DT or WR prospect

    • kevin z says:

      Really like your Mock Matt just for the Sony pick he my Binkie he good in all areas. rush catch block. finds little holes well.
      had duke in my draft as well in another post so like that pick as well.
      liked how picked position of needs so liked your Mock in general

      • Matt says:

        Thanks man. We all know that b/c I picked these players. BB never will. Lol

        • kevin z says:

          lol your welcome and def feel the same way if get one right that bb picks should feel special haha
          only got the Wise pick right from last year

    • steve earle says:

      Good mock but not convinced Burkhead will leave. More likely Lewis will be looking at offers from outside. Sure hope he gets resigned. Really like Sony, been watching him for two years now and think he would be a better fit then his running mate Chubb for us. Thing there is if Bill resigns both Lewis and Burkhead and with White we will still have arguably the best RBs fits in the NFL. Adding Sony would be a luxury I question we could afford? If we should loose Lewis or Burkhead then I’m with you though I’m hoping we don’t. I still want those DE & OLB guys early. My “binkies” are Davenport and Ejiorfor, can’t help it.

  56. Stephen J says:

    I know some of you mentioned Washington St Cody O’Connell. Today he played G. Trevor Sikkema said Cody surprised and impressed him for how well he shuffled his feet readjust where he was blocking for someone his size.

    • steve earle says:

      Russell and I noted that earlier in this process (how well he moves for a man his size) and the guy has not been playing against stiffs so reading how well he protects his QB is no fluke. I don’t have a pkg on my TV network that lets me see the all star games, NFL network and things so hoping you will keep updating as you have been. Thanks Stephen.

  57. Stephen J says:

    West Practice notes

    Central Michigan Joe Ostman fires off line beating TE into backfield making a stop on the RB. DE Joe Ostman just put his man on spin cycle for the sack in 1-on-1s

    Colorado Wr Bryce Bobo getting congratulated by a coach for blocking on a run. Bobo also getting open consistently(2 different analysts.)
    Colorado WR Bryce Bobo has scouts talking. Smooth mover, good acceleration today. Ran a tandem route with D. Boyd and was noticeably faster off line

    Very nice throw and catch off play action from @TexasTechFB QB Nic Shimonek to @CSURams WR Bobo Bryce in the first play of the scrimmage.

    QB Nic Shimonek goes deep for Oklahoma WR Jeff Badet, but it was snagged by Wisconsin S Natrell Jamerson for the INT.

    UNLV WR Devonte Boyd easily the best routes in West practice in 1-on-1 drills. Power + acceleration. WR Devonte Boyd with a beautiful cut premier release & footwork.

    Oklahoma WR Jeff Badet smoked Villanova CB Malik Reaves up the right sideline.

    Villanova’s Malik Reaves with a nice interception.

    QB Jeremiah Briscoe lets it fly for WR Jake Wieneke, but S Cole Reyes comes in to break it up at the end.
    QB Jeremiah Briscoe rips one to Wieneke for a catch and run.

    Wagner OT Greg Senat. 6’8” converted basketball player. Runs pretty well too.

    DB Joshua Kalu with the INT in 1-on-1’s. Great timing and balance.

    llinois State CB Davontae Harris, who has some scouting buzz has excellent recovery speed

    Justin Jackson (Northwestern RB21) breaks one and goes the distance

    Ja’Von Rolland-Jones (11) is a noted pass rusher, but has a great run stop

    1 Watching Jake Wieneke he’s pretty darn impressive He just made a great catch down the field, shows tracking ability on a bad throw, adjusted nicely to ball being on opposite shoulder
    2 WR Jake Wieneke has made 4+ plays on the ball that have made me whistle. He’s looked superb.
    3 Just throw it in his area – Jake Wieneke will come down with it. Having a great day 1 of practice

    Mizzou DE Marcell Frazier flies in for a sack, as SMU DE Justin Lawler converges from the near side(This from Pewter Report Marcell Frazier has ideal size and a good wingspan to rush the passer.)

  58. Stephen J says:

    Here are some observations from many different analysts at the Shrine Game East Practice I gathered up for you.

    NC State DL Kentavius Street was in the backfield three times in a row in team drills. Very quick off the ball. Received snaps at DE and got immediate pressure. Street batted a JT Barrett pass off a play fake. Street skied for the ball, almost tipped to himself for an INT

    Brandon Facyson/CB/Va Tech made a terrific play

    Deadrin Senat/DT/USF has really active and violent hand usage in running drills. Impossible to move off point despite double teams and bullrushing blockers off line. C Brian Allen Michigan St had a good rep against Senat got the best of him early but Senat finished

    Virginia Tech CB Greg Stroman was icing his hamstring

    Fordham RB Chase Edmonds had a nice day. Showed burst balance and decisiveness. Exceptional hands catching the ball. Great back just a high fumble ratio.

    Chris Worley blew up a RB route play

    Miami’s Chad Thomas had a great first practice. Setting his edge, handling OTs in the run game. Gets off block for the sack

    SlipperyRock DE Marcus Martin knocked Auburn OT Austin Golson off his feet in running back drills. Then OT KC McDermott stones DE Marcus Martin

    UConnFootball DT Folorunso Fatukasi with the swim move on G Kyle Bosch to hit the RB in the backfield.

    JT Barrett, Quinton Flowers and Riley Ferguson all had rough days with tipped batted balls and Int’s

    UNI WR Daurice Fountain. Difficult to cover, can cut at speed, feisty.

    WR Daesean Hamilton Penn St Great hand use to avoid the jam

  59. Stephen J says:

    Yes Finally its Shrine Week Practices have begun Woo Hoo

  60. John says:

    Quick Mock:

    1. Ronnie Harrison Alabama SAF: Replace Chung, roam the box. Not a single-high SAF, but can cover within the chains. High football IQ, explosive downfield athlete.

    2. Trenton Thompson Georgie DL: Explosive talent. Got hurt. Character? Maybe with high character draft class will come in focused. Destroyed CFP final. Plays with more consistency he’s a stud.

    2. DJ Moore Maryland WR: Slot WR that can handle outside duties. High character, good speed, and special team ability. Think Golden Tate.

    3. Darius Phillips Western Michigan CB: Tough corner, MAC first-teamer (as both a corner and reutrn guy). Can play. Was a ‘Cuse guy.

    Let me know your thoughts!

    • Stephen J says:

      Nice now who would be your 2nd choice if Harrison went before the Pats picked? 2nd choice doesn’t have to be with 1st pick either

      Don’t think the Pats would pick up a slot receiver in the 2nd round the highest drafted slot receiver was in the 4th outside of that the highest one was a 2nd round trade for Wes Welker who was already a proven NFL slot receiver with return experience.

      As far as the slot goes look for Jacksonville’s Marqise Lee who is a Free Agent next year as a possibility. He was drafted in the 2nd round 39th overall in 2014.

      If we were to draft a WR I’d probably go with an outside or big WR being Malcolm Mitchell injury problems and recently picked up WR Kenny Brit was a healthy scratch last night after playing one week.

    • steve earle says:

      Why a Saf with 1st? Not a position of need. Has Chung not played well?

      • Stephen J says:

        He turns 31 this year with him in the last year of his contract. BB usually finds a replacement a year before a starter leaves so there is a fluid transition with less chances of breakdowns(growing pains) happening from learning the system and being in sync with the others in the backfield.

        • steve earle says:

          Maybe but is 1st rd the spot to take a SAF when our 31 yo is still playing well even if it is the last year of current contract? I just don’t think it is.

        • Stephen J says:

          I didn’t say to take one there. Chung was taken in the 2nd behind Devin Mccourty. There are a lot of real good safeties this year or lb who could play safety.

        • steve earle says:

          Sorry Stephen I was responding to John’s mock above having one in the 1st. I’d like a Saf but later. Coles Rayes N Dak would be a nice day 3 pick IMO. Still not sure where he might be picked. Staying tuned on that one too.

    • Russell says:

      not a fan of S Harrison, I don’t see him as a 1st round guy. My 1st is Maurice Hurst, or Sam Hubbard, or Quin Blanding.

  61. steve earle says:

    Jacksonville is coming to town.

  62. Stephen J says:

    Who would you choose as your new Head Coach Josh McDaniels or Matt Patricia?

    • Stephen J says:

      Maybe because I’m a stat’s and numbers type of guy I’d go with Rocket Scientist Matt Patricia

      • steve earle says:

        Can’t tell because I never met either so can’t eval demeanor. All we know tells us either should be successful. Being an Off minded guy I’d go with McDaniels. Just a guess though.

    • Russell says:

      I think Matt Partrica will be a great head coach, and Detroit would be a nice fit, NOT the N.Y.G. however.

      • Stephen J says:

        The Giants were just being used as leverage to pressure the Lions ownership to select Matt Patricia same as the Colts were being used as leverage to pressure the Titans ownership to get Josh McDaniels. That has been the plan all along raise scouts under BB to be GM’s then bring in BB’s Coordinators as Head Coaches.

  63. kevin z says:

    since at this early stage SS LB RB deeper in this draft thinking OL along with LB top choices.
    more reason to trade for more 2nd rd picks to take my Binky Rb Sony Michel … Love can rush and catch the ball. Can pass Protect well. nice speed ,needs only smalls holes to slither through. Plus used to sharing the load with Chubb which sharing is needed with PaTS

    ATM wishing extended marquis Flowers instead of Eric Lee.
    With Langi along with Davis if extend Flowers LB wont be as much a need.
    if Do extend Flowers think DT gets picked first or 2nd in the draft

    • steve earle says:

      I’m still thinking DE and OLB at the top of our draft. Solder has been playing so well asking myself if BB will look to extend him? Answer to that determines how high OT priority will be. Still think interior 0-line needs to be stronger. Sony Mitchell is great prospect buy redundant unless Bill lets Lewis and White and Burkhead all go. Our D-line is playing really well but will Branch be back? If not I see us needing another big DT. Not convinced Valentine is that guy. Still sticking to my last mock at least until after the all star games and combine.

      • Stephen J says:

        Alan Branch was a healthy scratch this weekend against the Titans and hasn’t played in a month where the team has done well with out him. Ricky Jean Francois has filled Alan Branch’s position during that time. Look for him to be signed for a 1 to 2 year deal and then draft one in next years draft where it will be a good DT class.

        • Stephen J says:

          Snap Count DT’s along with a blurb from ESPN’s Mike Reiss


          Malcom Brown: 29

          Adam Butler: 26

          Lawrence Guy: 23

          Ricky Jean Francois: 23

          The biggest surprise came before the game, when Alan Branch, who had declared himself healthy from a knee injury, was inactive. Jean Francois got the nod over him and seemed to perform well (one tackle, one sack)

  64. Stephen J says:

    Man it was the Brady Gronk Amendola and Lewis show last night for the Offense. What a clinic they put on I am savoring every moment of this and not taking it for granted. This is special and special is not an everyday occurrence.

    Pass Rush isn’t always the answer this from PFF Louie. Patriots sent more than four rushers at Mariota just seven times. On those plays, he went 5-for-6 for 54 yards, 1 TD, 143.8 passer rating. Now I’m not saying a Pass Rush isn’t needed that’s ridiculous it’s a balance of pass rush and pass coverage and that came when the Run D without Alan Branch shut down Derrick Henry and the Pats Offense got clicking in the 2nd Quarter and gained a lead and the Titans went into play from behind mode which made it easier for the D to win their one on one battles and get after the QB and boy did they ever another thing of beauty.

  65. Russell says:

    Patriots will be in a big transition year in 2018, if Partrica & McDaneils leave.
    Watched tape on CB Stroman, and DE Hubbard. Hubbard reminds me of Chandler Jones who was a Junior as well. Hubbard has his degree already, and looks like he has a high upside.
    Stroman looked fairly good, only 182 lbs. at 5’11 3/4″.

  66. Turbo says:

    My fav EDGE prospect Clelin Ferrell is going to stay another year, Austin Bryant is going back as well. This is a terrible EDGE class. The few i likes are: Chad Thomas, Duke Ejiofor, Lorenzo Carter (more like SAM) and Rasheem Green. I’m not going to say anything about Davenport until Senior bowl and scouting combine.

    • steve earle says:

      Surprised but think Ferrell was going to early for us anyway. What concerns me is that might cause another team to take someone we could draft for DE. Nothing we can do to effect any of this excep hope.

    • Stephen J says:

      Thanks Turbo for pointing out Rasheem Green from an initial view glance he reminds me of Willie McGinest. Will look at him more closely and also see how he is with setting the edge.

    • Stephen J says:

      As far as Davenport the Senior Bowl will do nothing to change anything. The only way outside of injury that things for Davenport change at the Senior Bowl is he gets totally dominated and doesn’t show up(unlikely). As long as he remains competitive he will be a 1st rounder and anything more than that is just icing on the cake for him. I expect him to be competitive make a few plays also have his weaknesses exposed which will be enough for him to seal the deal if you wish.

      • Stephen J says:

        For those wondering what weaknesses I’m talking about
        1 His East to West movement speed isn’t the greatest his north to south and initial burst is ridiculous. This is exposed when he doesn’t get out in front of a play say a running play where he does get out and seal the edge and then the RB moves across him in an east to west direction and he needs to change direction.
        2 His balance or lack of it costs him at times for the most part I believe that is just him growing into his body and adjusting to it and it shows up when he sees one thing then realizes its another and he has to make a quick adjustment.
        3 His lack of developed pass rush moves. Once the good players get familiar with his initial moves and makes adjustments he will be less effective. He will still make plays mind you just not as many of them.

      • Turbo says:

        I don’t think so. He played in an extremely weak division and he has to prove it in the Senior bowl, that he can compete in his first year in the NFL and more, than just a project. K-Pass and Melifonwu was the same athletic freak that he is and they went mid-to late 2nd round last year even tho everyone talked about them as borderline 1st round picks.

        So even if the EDGE class is terrible this year, i think he has to show off that he can beat higher level competition.

  67. steve earle says:

    I’m wondering just what percentage of KO and punts we are actually returning? A good return can have an important impact but how often is that? The game has evolved largely into a kick and catch play at least in the pros. How much does that fact effect the value assigned to a returner I wonder?

  68. Stephen J says:

    Kick/Punt Returner options and their stats

    ………………..Punt Ret..Yards…Ave……TD……Kick Ret…Yards…..Average…TD
    Cyrus Jones
    Senior Year …42……….530…..12.62….4……..1…………24……….24.0…….0

    Draft Possibilities

    Christian Kirk WR Texas A&M
    Junior Year….10……….191……19.1…..1……..22……….490………22.27……1

    Mike Hughes CB UCF
    Junior Year….14……….233……16.64…1…….20………..635………31.75……2

    DJ Reed CB Kansas St
    Junior Year….17………253…….14.88…1…….17………..582………34.24……1

    Ito Smith RB Southern Miss
    Senior Year…0………..0………..0………0…….5…………94…………18.80……0

    Darius Phillips CB Western Michigan
    Senior Year…13……..104……..8.0…….0……26………..683………..26.27…..2

    Rashaad Penny RB San Diego St
    Senior Year…2………70……….35.0…..1……17………..521………..30.65……2

    Greg Stroman CB Virginia Tech
    Senior Year..35……..397…….11.34….2…….0…………0……………0…………0

    Quadree Henderson WR Pitt
    Junior Year…21……..243…….11.57….2…….25……….524……….20.96……0

    Dante Pettis WR Washington
    Senior Year…21…….428……..20.38…4…….0…………0……………0………..0

    • Stephen J says:

      DJ Moore WR Maryland

      ………..Punt Ret…..Yards…….Ave…..TD…..Kick Ret……Yards……Ave…….TD

    • Russell says:

      Greg Stroman is worth looking into , experience !!

      • Stephen J says:

        Interesting that you pick Stroman he was one of the earlier ones I came across then I found CB Darius Phillips W Mich he has slightly more experience overall his is just the reverse of Stroman meaning more in Kick off returns instead of Punt Returns and Phillips has better averages plus I liked Phillips as a CB better. I have both in that 3rd tier with Phillips in the top part of tier 3 while I have Stroman in the back part of tier 3. 1st tier elite starter 2nd tier good solid starter 3rd tier reserve back up who fills in at times and could become starter meanwhile they offer ST’s traits while developing into a starter. What might give Stroman the advantage though is he goes undrafted he probably be a high priority undrafted free agent. I do think he gets drafted but I also thought that Jonathan Jones would get drafted but that was mainly to Jones height Stroman doesn’t have that issue but he doesn’t have Jones speed either which what I thought would get Jones drafted.

    • Stephen J says:

      Bernard Reedy WR Toledo
      ………………Punt Ret….Yards…..Ave…..TD…Kick Ret……Yards……Ave……TD
      Junior Year…19…………210…….11.05..1…..32…………..885……..27.66…3

      A practice squader who the Pats have used in 2 games this year he had 4 returns for 32 yards. Currently a Free Agent

  69. John says:

    Although I’m a big fan of taking the best available talent, I don’t believe corner is as high of a priority for this team as people believe.

    Defensively, an off-ball LB, interior DL, EDGE/OLB are the biggest areas of need. I wouldn’t even mind a hybrid SAF/LB.

    Offensively, OL can always be an area where resources are devoted to. I would also say TE depth, and a developmental QB are needs.

    Listed some prospects I like with their first couple of picks (1st/early 2nd)..

    Off-ball LB: Rashaan Evans, Malik Jefferson, Oren Burks
    Interior DL: Trenton Thompson, Tim Settle
    EDGE: Marcus Davenport, Sam Hubbard, Jaylon Ferguson
    SAF/LB: Marcus Allen, Ronnie Harrison

    OL: Mason Cole, Billy Price, Brian O’Neill

    Other prospects I’d consider at this juncture: James Washington, Bryce Love, DJ Moore

    Let me know what you guys think..

    • Russell says:

      great list John! I Like DE Hubbard, not so much S- Harrison, or DT Settle,( Sophomore). Guys I may add to the list, DT Mariuce Hurts, S- Quin Blanding, OL Braden Smith, & LB Micah Kiser .
      who you like as a developmental QB ?????

    • steve earle says:

      I agree mostly with your lists and positions. I learned about Tim Settle just recently and recognized he has the size and physical make up but after Stephen J came up with some “highlights” I had not seen it looks as though he should have returned to school for at least one more year. Not the case though and so appears he will be a project for who ever drafts him and I wouldn’t hope it is us. I do still believe DT is a position of need after DE and OLB.

    • Stephen J says:

      John one thing everybody needs to know about me is that I Am PICKY that’s not to say there are players that I like and are good but just don’t fit what the Pats do and how that player is used. I may like a player that would excel on another team but wouldn’t on the Pats but the same goes the other way around there are players on other teams that would excel on the Pats but aren’t on their current team. So with that said when I say I don’t like such and such player it doesn’t mean I don’t think he is good just that the fit for the Pats may not be good.

      Your Off-ball LB’s Evans and Burks they maybe good players but they don’t fit due to their size BB has tried on several occasions and is currently trying with Elandon Roberts who is 6’0 230. Elandon Roberts is a great player and his college stats are ridiculous but he has a role where he does well but role is limited in this D and he was asked to do things that went beyond that and he didn’t perform well to put it politely. Evans and Burks would be the same so that’s why I wouldn’t consider them.
      Malik Jefferson now I do like him but don’t love him. He is flashy and athletic who has made plays that catches the eye but with him it’s about his athleticism and not technique. You can’t teach athleticism but you can technique. Since he really needs time to be taught and develop that technique I wouldn’t spend a 1st or early 2nd round pick on him.

      Interior DL: I already discussed Tim Settle a little bit pass.

      Now Trenton Thompson is a real possibility. Here is the issue I have with him. He is not a true DT but a large DE which is not a bad thing as I will explain in a bit. He is athletic and fast for his size how much will be determined at the combine. Unlike Malik Jefferson, Thompson has technique it’s just not fully developed. This is where I run into an issue of where do I place him. If he were to have stayed in he would of been a sure fire 1st round pick next year. Maybe not the top tier but a 1st rounder. I say that because he reminds me of Ty Warren who the Pats selected in the 1st round. Now Ty Warren at 6’5″ 300 lbs was a little more stout(chubby) in the midriff and not as muscular but rotated between a DT and a large DE like Thompson has. Ty Warren stayed at Texas A&M for 4 years where his technique was more refined then where Thompson is now. Thompson’s stats are following a very similar path and would of been just slightly better had he stayed in for another year. Thompson has high upside potential not elite upside potential. I don’t think he will be a day 1 starter at the beginning of next year but somewhere towards the second half of the season he could bypass Adam Butler then eventually(not next year) Lawrence Guy. I just have reservations on where to select him but I like him

      Now I love me some Marcus Davenport he has some mid level technique issues to work on and refine but he has that elite athletic ability and skill few have. I just don’t think he will be there when the Pats select in the 1st round.

      As far as Sam Hubbard, and Jaylon Ferguson I wouldn’t use either the 1st or early 2nd on either. I like Ferguson better but think Hubbard is the better player if that makes sense to you.

      As far as the safety/lb I’m not a fan of either one.

      The OL I’d pass on Cole and Price and depending on what happens with Nate Solder I’d look at Brian O’Neil just not sure which pick to use for him I could argue both ways.

      Washington and Love I’d pass on. With Love he’s a good RB and is an excellent ball protector who hasn’t fumbled in college but just seems too 1 dimensional. If BB/Ivan Fears thinks he can be a productive catcher and contribute as a Kick/Punt Returner which he has done but not much then it could be a possibility but as of right now I just don’t see the later two.

      DJ Moore good player but I wouldn’t use a 1st or early 2nd on.

      • John says:

        I think Belichick is going to have to change his tune when it comes to LB measurables, just because of sheer scarcity of LB’s that actually fit within his parameters. LB’s nowadays are smaller, and larger LB’s are not as versatile when it comes to coverage. They may be able to blitz, or edge rush, etc., but there are not many that can do what Hightower does. That’s why there depth is usually lacking.

        Think that’s what you saw with Roberts, and a few others. Van Noy fits his parameters but even he is still lacking when it comes to quality (to a degree).

        Marcus Allen and Ronnie Harrison are good hybrid backers. They can do a little bit of coverage when it comes to being “in the box” and are definitely legit threats in the run game. Neither are single-high SAF. There’s only really one good one, in this draft, and that’s basically Fitzpatrick. Even Derwin James is more of an LB.

        • Stephen J says:

          How many Super Bowls and Championships has he won doing it this way. No way is flawless and this way has worked well enough for him. Now with that said two things to consider here 1 Matt Patricia moving on with a new defensive coordinator there maybe a change. 2 Patrick Chung is due to be replaced bringing one of those type players to play his role but I’d think 225 lbs would be the biggest they’d go because then you start running into the opposite effect of these lighter LB’s trying to play that bigger LB role.

  70. Stephen J says:

    Thanks to Ethan Hammerman here are our Key Returners(Those that have done the bulk of the returns not those that have isolated/spot returns) since 2000


    2000 Curtis Jackson/JR Redmond

    2001 Kevin Faulk/David Patten

    2002 Deion Branch/Kevin Faulk

    2003 Bethel Johnson/Patrick Pass

    2004 Bethel Johnson/Patrick Pass

    2005 Bethel Johnson/Ellis Hobbs

    2006 Laurence Maroney/Kevin Faulk

    2007 Ellis Hobbs/Wes Welker

    2008 Ellis Hobbs/Matt Slater

    2009 Laurence Maroney/Matt Slater/Julian Edelman

    2010 Brandon Tate

    2011 Danny Woodhead/Julian Edelman

    2012 Devin McCourty

    2013 LeGarrette Blount/Josh Boyce

    2014 Danny Amendola/Pat Chung

    2015 Keshawn Martin/Danny Amendola

    2016 Cyrus Jones/Danny Amendola

    2017 Dion Lewis


    2000 Troy Brown

    2001 Troy Brown

    2002 Troy Brown

    2003 Troy Brown

    2004 Kevin Faulk

    2005 Tim Dwight

    2006 Kevin Faulk

    2007 Wes Welker

    2008 Wes Welker

    2009 Wes Welker

    2010 Julian Edelman

    2011 Julian Edelman

    2012 Wes Welker/Julian Edelman

    2013 Julian Edelman

    2014 Julian Edelman/Danny Amendola

    2015 Danny Amendola

    2016 Danny Amendola

    2017 Danny Amendola

    This is an area that definitely needs attention Danny Amendola at the age of 32 is a UFA after this season and he has been the most used returner since 2014. Mean while our other current returner in Dion Lewis contract ends this year as well. If both were to leave that would put Julian Edelman and Cyrus Jones as the returners.

    • steve earle says:

      I can’t believe we will let Lewis walk he has become so important to our offense but who can tell. As for C.Jones I have no faith in him at all and Edelman is just to valuable to risk on return duty. WE must either find a lower mid rd draft returner or a FA because we have to many needs that should be addressed early to go after that position then.

      • Stephen J says:

        This year is the 1st year Dion Lewis has remained healthy for the full year. The way he has played this year some team may be willing to throw money at him. So yes it’s a real possibility. BB will set an amount and if it is surpassed then Good Bye Dion.

      • Stephen J says:

        BB considers Returner’s the QB on Special Teams (just look and see how many of them have been starters/rotational starters and a lower mid rd draft returner is not that) and one of the highest priorities so don’t be surprised and this year it looks like we could possibly need 2.

  71. Russell says:

    I have the Patriots over the titans 31- 19. James Harrison two sacks & a pick!!! Harrison is the wild card the Titans can not prepare for, with no tape on how is used in the Patriots Scheme .

    Stephen J. thoughts on punt returners got me thinking. C. Jones was clearly a disappointment in this area, BUT was a large part of why he was drafted. Edleman is to valuable, and Amendola to injury prone to keep doing punt returns.
    Would BB draft early, (1st-2d) Slot guy/ punt returner like Christian Kirk, with the idea of replacing Amendola??

    • Stephen J says:


      Let’s break this down with a Pats point of view. Now as you look at the Pats history yes BB has used slot guys as returners but the highest he has ever drafted one is in the 4th round and that being Josh Boyce in 2013 from TCU. Another slot receiver who was a returner but wasn’t drafted was Wes Welker who BB traded a 2nd round pick for but he was a proven NFL returner for the Dolphins at that point and not a rookie. The other slot guys who have been used as Returners have been late 7th rounders or undrafted mainly. So while BB could always do something new it hasn’t been his Modus Operandi. The highest returners drafted have been DB’s who have return skills outside of maybe RB Laurence Maroney who was drafted in the 1st round and had 26 kick returns in his 1st year but then did it in a spot roll.

      • Stephen J says:

        Well I came across someone that was drafted higher than Josh Boyce and that was Brandon Tate in the third(83) and while with the Pats in his second year he had 41 Kick Returns with 1 Punt Return but when he left he has done both full time but hasn’t really caught on as a wr. His biggest year receiving was with the Pats where he had 24 receptions for 432 yards and 3 TD’s

      • Russell says:

        I agree Stephen, that CB’s tend to do more returns. With Edelman, & Amendola each going into their 10th year, a slot guy maybe in the cards, now, so one with returning abilities would allow him to play/to make roster, while sitting mostly behind Edelman.
        Their maybe other slot guys , Kirk just came to mind.
        BB has a poor history drafting CB, (McCourty is a better S) & Recievers . With Brady’s window closing BB may draft differently looking for playmakers, OR look at free agents/ trade possibilities .(like Cook, Burkhead, etc.)

        • Stephen J says:

          I wasn’t implying not to draft a slot WR who returns punts/kicks I was looking at where BB drafts slot wr who return kicks/punts. Then looked at where BB drafts DB’s who return kicks/punts and stating from his track record he values DB’s with return experience more than slot wr with return experience. RB’s are even harder the 3 main ones used were Kevin Faulk Laurence Maroney and LeGarrette Blount. Kevin Faulk was already here when BB arrived Laurence Maroney really only did 1 full time season of returns as did Blount and both were replaced as full time returners the next season but provided fill in rolls here and there. So you have 2 RB’s one a 1st rounder the other brought in with a trade for another player and a 7th round pick. Both ends of the spectrum for 1 season’s worth of full time return production(referring to Blount and Maroney)

    • steve earle says:

      Your return candidates could be good guesses another might be Ito Smith RB. He’s smaller then Edelman but has some wicked sudden moves like Edelman and Lewis and Lewis is to valuable now too.

  72. Stephen J says:

    Isaiah Oliver was like the 2nd CB I looked at to start the draft process this year. He is one of the one’s I liked early on and wouldn’t be disappointed if he landed with the Pats. Since looking at him and Iowa CB Josh Jackson I stumbled across something that led me in another direction.Well what better time to bring this up than on a CB Scouting Report page.

    I’ve been looking at/for KR/Punt returners and while doing so, this dawned on me. BB has brought in undrafted CB’s to compete the last few years and it seems to have worked well. With that said he still drafted 1 CB Cyrus Jones. Now could it be that if BB where to draft another CB it would be one who could play CB and Return kicks. IF so are there any in this draft. Well I’ve come across 3 that fit that description and seem real promising. One other thing I should mention is I looked at these prospects with 1 the possibility of losing Butler and 2 Someone to compete and beat out Cyrus Jones.

    1 DJ Reed Kansas St

    Here is a nice breakdown of him here

    One thing that this article mentions but doesn’t cover though is return skills. DJ Reed is not only a good CB in this draft, but he is one of the best return men in the country.

    34.2 yards per KR (2nd)
    14.9 yards per PR (2nd)
    Stats from

    Cyrus Jones Career College

    23.4 yards per KR
    12.46 yards per PR
    Stats from

    One of the possible draw backs is that he is 5’9″ while that alone is not disqualifying Kenny Moore who impressed this past Training Camp and was picked up by the Colts was 5’9″ I am curious to see what his testing numbers are to see how athletic he really is. I will be looking to see his 3 Cone Vert 40 times and to a lesser extent his broad jump.

  73. Stephen J says:

    Just throwing this out there it is almost time that the Pats sign reserve future contracts one possibility is Dalton Crossan. The RB from UNH he was brought into Colts camp as a undrafted free agent then put on IR then released and is now a Free Agent. Not sure if he would be considered for a futures contract or just brought in at a later date if interested.

  74. Stephen J says:

    The College Gridiron Showcase happened this week in Dallas Tx from the 6th-10th and Markus Davenports teammate CB Devron Davis drew a lot of attention the Pats met with him on the 9th

  75. Russell says:

    Interesting sounding CB. I have my doubts BB would draft a junior at that position, but you never know.
    Steve earl; Virginia tech DT entered the draft; Tim Settle 6’2′ 335 lbs. , doubt BB would as just a sophomore, but size is nice.

    • steve earle says:

      Thanks Russell I’ll try to look him up but I’m having trouble with my PC locating many sites I use to follow prospects. As it is if I find the Draft Scout site it’s by sheer accident or finding other prospect ranking sites the same. Just don’t know why but Windows upgraded this thing and it’s not the same as before.

      • steve earle says:

        Well accidents will happen apparently. Even found some highlights and liked what I saw. Even with only one year this kid looks good and is projected as a 3rd-4th rd pick probably because of that. I could see Bill using a 3rd for him as he looks like he has a high upside and given his ability to get inside pressure on QB’s.

        • Stephen J says:

          Here is a string of plays supposedly highlighting the good but demonstrates pretty much what I’ve seen in other video of Tim Settle

          1st clip The Guard lets him by to get to the 2nd level and as he gets into the backfield unabated he totally whiffs

          2nd video talks about his rip move being ferocious with the caveat if he can harness it yet totally ignores him being pancaked. Also notice his Pad Level the reason why he got himself into the spot of being pancaked is his Pad Level being too high initially. This happens consistently in the videos I’ve seen of him because he springs up from lack of hip bend and when he does he gets to upright.

          3rd video Terrell Edmunds 22 brother of Tremaine makes this play pretty much he gift wraps it for Tim. But to his credit he finishes it off.

          4th video Talks about his rip move again but nearly falls flat on his face after completing it. Some of the out of control he talks about in the 1st video

          Now this is against college level players. He is a developmental player from these 4 clips not worthy of a 3rd round pick. Now mind you these are only 4 clips but because of watching so much video of Tremaine Edmunds you get to see plenty of Tim Settle as well and these 4 clips highlight pretty well what I saw of Tim there as well. Not saying with time he could put it all together and be a decent player but Dominant I just don’t see it.

          I’d take Vincent Valentine over this and it’s not close.

        • Russell says:

          I agree with Stephen J on settle, just not enough experience. I like some of his tape, But just unexperienced .

        • Stephen J says:

          Here is a video of Tim Settle training but it describes what I am talking about in his springing up. When he springs up he is left standing nearly straight up.

  76. steve earle says:

    Like this report Mike. AS my PC is still not working the way it was before I was “upgraded” I still can access many sites such as Draft Scout so wonder do you have a projected draft round he might go at?

    • Mike Gerken says:

      I think he could go as high as mid 20s to somewhere in the middle of round 2. Range is still large as I have lots of players to watch and rank/tier yet.

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