Patriots Gameday Notes to Monitor Monday Night vs. Chiefs


Kansas City halfback Knile Davis has forged his way in the absence of Jamaal Charles. New England will face them both on Monday night. (Stan Liu – USA Today Sports Images)

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Three years have passed since the New England Patriots and Kansas City Chiefs last met. It was Nov. 21, 2011, a Monday night, at Gillette Stadium.

Then-rookie Patriots halfback Shane Vereen registered his first NFL touchdown, while part-time cornerback Julian Edelman turned in his second career punt-return touchdown. In the secondary, a well-traveled cornerback by the name of Philip Adams intercepted onetime Kansas City quarterback Tyler Palko, and Kyle Arrington – donning No. 27 at the time – picked off two more as New England went on to a 34-3 victory.

Much has changed since then. And this time, the venue for what unfolds will be Arrowhead Stadium.

Here are some notes to monitor leading up to the 8:30 p.m. kickoff.

Injury Report

For the 1-2 Chiefs, in addition to halfback Joe McKnight, who suffered a torn Achilles in practice this week, safety Eric Berry has been listed as out with an ankle injury. Rookie wideout and return man De’Anthony Thomas is listed as questionable for tonight’s game with a hamstring injury, while cornerback Sean Smith, running back Jamaal Charles, rush linebacker Tamba Hali and defensive lineman Vance Walker are all probable.

As for the 2-1 Patriots, cornerback Alfonzo Dennard, who has not played since Week 1 with a shoulder injury, did not travel with the team after being listed as probable on Saturday. 2013 seventh-round defensive end Michael Buchanan, 2013 second-round linebacker Jamie Collins, offensive lineman Dan Connolly, tight end Rob Gronkowski and special-teamer Don Jones are all listed as probable.

Chiefs Inactives

  • Quarterback Aaron Murray
  • Halfback Joe McKnight
  • Wideouts Albert Wilson and De’Anthony Thomas
  • Offensive lineman Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
  • Defensive end Damion Square
  • Safety Eric Berry

Patriots Inactives

  • Wideouts Aaron Dobson and Kenbrell Thompkins
  • Offensive linemen Josh Kline and Jordan Devey
  • Defensive linemen Zach Moore and Corey Walker
  • Cornerback Alfonzo Dennard

Chief Connections

There are some familiar faces in Kansas City. Two players currently on the Chiefs practice squad, undrafted tight end Justin Jones and third-year defensive lineman Jerel Worthy, spent part of the summer in training camp with the Patriots. The 6’8”, 275-pound Jones was first signed by the Patriots in May out of East Carolina, while Worthy, a 2012 Green Bay Packers second-round pick, was acquired for a conditional seventh-round pick in August.

In September of 2013, the Patriots also put in a claim on former Rutgers cornerback Marcus Cooper after the former San Francisco 49ers draft choice was waived, but he landed with the Chiefs instead.

New England did not need to claim defensive lineman Kona Schwenke, however. The Notre Dame product signed to the team’s practice squad earlier this month after originally signing with the Chiefs as a rookie free agent in May.

No. 12 Passing a Milestone

Tom Brady stands 219 passing yards away from becoming the sixth quarterback in NFL history to hit the 50,000 career yardage mark. It remains to be seen whether or not the 14-year Patriot will reach it tonight against the Chiefs.

Kansas City’s pass defense allowed 266 passing yards and two touchdowns in Week 1, 242 yards and three touchdowns in Week 2, and 205 yards and one touchdown in Week 3. Brady and the Patriots’ passing game, on the other hand, picked up 249 yards and one touchdown in Week 1, 149 yards and one touchdown in Week 2, and 234 yards and another touchdown in Week 3.

Behind Edelman and Gronkowski, the third receiver in New England’s offense has varied by the week. Kenbrell Thompkins and Aaron Dobson have yet to be active for the same game this season. Danny Amendola and Brandon LaFell have seen snaps favor the latter. And receiving tight end Tim Wright has been in the game for just 13 plays since Week 2.

And there’s only one ball to go around. It goes without saying Brady will have to stay upright to deliver it. Although the Chiefs have yet to convert offensive mistakes into defensive turnovers, the unit has forced its way into pockets.

Patriots Shuffling Pass Protection

Kansas City’s defense may running on half its cylinders without linebackers Derrick Johnson and Joe Mays, but the group’s collective pass rush has left its mark. With Hali, fellow outside linebacker Justin Houston, as well as defensive tackle Allen Bailey and nose tackle Dontari Poe, Kansas City’s front has proven to be both sudden and creative, using stunts and crash blitzes to establishes pressure, even if only four are taking part.

Nine sacks have been the byproduct for Kansas City’s front. New England’s offensive line as conceded seven to date.

Uncertainty abounds when it comes to the Patriots’ pass protection. Left tackle Nate Solder has shown his struggles against the speed provided by the likes of the Miami Dolphins’ Cameron Wake and the Oakland Raiders’ Khalil Mack. It has been a similar case with swing tackle Marcus Cannon playing left guard, where his footwork and combinations block have been tested. And with Connolly, two-year starter Ryan Wendell, fourth-round rookie Bryan Stork and first-year player Jordan Devey in the shuffle at center and right guard, the options outweigh the answers.

According to The Boston Globe’s Shalise Manza Young, more lineup changes are on the way. Against the Chiefs, Connolly is reportedly set to move over to left guard, Stork is set to get his first career start at center, and fellow fourth-round pick Cameron Fleming is set to get his first at right guard.

Stork played the final 15 snaps of last Sunday’s game, while offensive tackle Cameron Fleming has been called upon as an eligible tight end this season, spelling on run and play-action pass plays.

Ridley, Vereen and New England’s Running Ways

Kansas City’s defense has been run on to the tune of 130 yards per game this campaign. But, after a week in which the Patriots compiled just 83 yards against an Oakland defense allowing 200 through the first two weeks, expectations figure to be tempered moving forward.

While Stevan Ridley is the primary back, having harnessed 44 carries since Week 2 against the Minnesota Vikings, Vereen has taken just 13 and caught four passes. Look for some diversity out of the backfield versus Kansas City, and in addition to Brandon Bolden, rookie James White is active for the first time this season.

Gap Control Without Siliga

After starting the season with a hand injury, defensive tackle Sealver Siliga has now been placed on short-term injured reserve with a foot injury. The Patriots’ interior will need all hands – or clubs – on deck to contain Charles, a four-time 1,000-yard rusher working back into the fold, as well as Knile Davis.

While Charles has been limited to nine carries for 23 yards and five catches for 23 yards in two games this season, Davis has emerged as a complementary piece. The 5’10”, 227-pound Arkansas Razorback has compiled 214 rushing yards and three scores this season, including a 132-yard outburst versus the Dolphins last week.

The concerns start inside for the Patriots, but the multiple defense will require gap discipline from the inside out. Whether it comes from Joe Vellano, Chris Jones or Dominique Easley playing five-technique defensive end, or whether it comes from Chandler Jones and Rob Ninkovich standing up off the edge, the song remains the same.

With linebacker Dont’a Hightower stepping into his own, and with Vince Wilfork coming off his strongest performance since October of 2013, there are reinforcements. Kansas City’s ground game may very well hinge on them.

Matching Kansas City’s Passing Game

Quarterback Alex Smith has been sacked 11 times and Kansas City’s aerial attack has averaged less than 200 passing yards per game thus far into the 2014 slate.

Conversely, New England’s defense has netted seven sacks, a first-ranked clip of under 170 passing yards per game, along with six interceptions.

Those statistics reveal less than the matchups, though. And when it comes to Chandler Jones facing 2013 No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher at left tackle, the linebackers and safeties assuming talented young tight end Travis Kelce, and cornerback Darrelle Revis likely tracking 6’2”, 220-pound wideout Dwayne Bowe, it’s a push. It’s a push that may open windows for receiver Donnie Avery and tight end Anthony Fasano.

Time will determine which side shoves back.

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44 Responses to “Patriots Gameday Notes to Monitor Monday Night vs. Chiefs”

  1. DMC413 says:


    So after watching the game for the second time last night I saw things that re-assured my original thoughts and comments about the game and some others came to light that I didn’t see first time around.

    Despite the OL not playing as good as we would like Tom Brady did descent at spreading the ball around. At the six minute mark of the second qtr he proportionally targeted Edelman, Lafell, Gronk Vereen. At this point Wright had not been in the game, and do we really want to see or expect Hoo-Man to be catching balls and Ridley isn’t there for that. So the only player that I can see someone legitimately saying TB didn’t target is #80.

    Coupled with what I previous mentioned the fact we only dressed 3 WR’s, Lafell, Edelman and #80, a good portion of the plays at the beginning called only for 2 WR sets. I highlight that to say this, the fact that we have 6 WR’s on the team with 5 only really counting for the first four games (Tyms) but only dressing out 3 per game has allowed for thoughts of how-come with all these WR’s TB is only hitting a select few and the answer is in the fact their only dressing out 3 a game on top of the play formations.

    After this point in the game down by only 14 pts is when I noticed TB targeting only a select few but once again the way our OL had totally started giving in at this juncture coupled with the formations called I could see how one’s vision and thoughts could be clouded of TB not spreading the ball.

    From the SIX minute mark in the second qtr to the 9th minute mark of the third qtr this game got out of control and everything I just pointed out gets thrown out the windowl!!!!!!!

    IMO Chandler Jones inability to set the edge allowed the KCY to pound the rock, what made it worst they brought their 3TE pkg in opposite of CJ and if the defense was aligned or not aligned a certain way KCY hit us in the mouth with a run/pass to the 3TE side or a run back toward CJ… At this point it was a chest-match with them equaling no less than 2.5-3 yds a carry. To my surprise I was AWED that even bringing High-Tower to the right side lined up next to CJ in a 3-4 D neither one of them still could not set the edge. It wasn’t until Easely lined up in replace of CJ that all this Tom-Foolery to the right side of the D cease.

    What made the game become totally out of reach was the fact that the proverbial “ball bouncing our way” never happened. Someone else already pointed out how the D had the wrong cleats which was apparent the first time I saw the game just glad someone else noticed it, there were a few times these guys looked like they were on ICE. Bad game in every which way for us.

  2. Kevan says:

    Time to find out what the Pats are made of this year. Up to now they have been terrible, and they got a really tough bengals team comin to town Sunday night. That’s a chance for the pats to redeem themselves on national television against a really good team that’s pretty well rounded. In all honesty a butt kickin is exactly what this team needed, a friggin wake up call. I’m curious to see if they can respond. Once more into the fray! More then anything this team needs an identity. Backs are against the wall, huge game comin up. Season can go one way or another. Last time the pats took a road division beat down to open the season was in 03′ they started that year 2-2. They win 17 games in a row after that. Mark twain said history does not repeat itself it rhymes. It can be done. This team is a lot better than they’ve played. We are not now that strength in which old days moved earth and heaven that which we are, we are. One equal temper of heroic hearts made weak by time and fate but strong in will to strive to seek to find and not to yield.- James Bond movie. I say the pats beat the bengals this Sunday night and look better than they have all year doing it. It’s the law of attraction y’all, thoughts become things. Get with the program haha. Like this mcgregor kid fighting at featherweight in the ufc. Some find him cocky and arrogant, but every thing he says happens. People get mad and play right into his game. You see he has visualized that belt being his for probably more than a decade now. It’s already his. Don’t you see? I’ve had too much coffee and I’m beginning to ramble so I’ll finish with some sun tzu- every battle is won before it is fought.

  3. MaineMan says:

    The major issues contributing to the blowout, as I saw them:

    1) The Chiefs played a helluva game. Their offensive play-calling, execution and timing were all near perfect. Their 3-TE packages were very effective. Overall, their run-blocking was exceptional, especially downfield among their WRs and TEs. They were also the first defense in awhile that appears to have figured out how to actually cover Edelman. They probably could’ve beaten anybody in the league with that performance. The fact that it was a blowout IS definitely on the Pats 100%. But if anybody thinks that the Chiefs won ONLY because the Pats were bad, they have terminal Homer-Syndrome.

    The Pats’ issues:


    – It may seem trivial, but they obviously weren’t wearing the proper cleats last night (I’ve only seen Reiss and Curran mention this so far). Nearly everybody (I counted at least nine different guys) had their feet slide out from under them at least once when trying to change direction, and almost all those plays resulted in costly missed tackles (Collins actually turned a couple of his slips into great shoelace tackles, though).
    – Chandler Jones still can’t set the edge consistently. He still dives inside and gets trapped there way too often. All of the Chiefs long runs and nearly 70% of their rushing yardage came from that side. Some of that is due to the safety/LB not getting over in time (good blocking, again), but Chandler taking himself off the board makes it much harder on the 2nd-level guys. Up the middle and to the right (Nink’s side) the Chiefs averaged only about 3.8 yds/carry.
    – Chandler also seems to lose some pass-rush steam for the rest of any game after the first couple times an OL gets away with getting their hands up under his facemask – happened twice that I saw last night, neither flagged. Flagged or not, he needs to figure out how to get over that.
    – Hightower also had issues with getting sealed off on the inside last night.
    – HT, Chandler, Chung had trouble shedding blocks. HT, Collins and Chung all blew their coverage reads at one point or another. Collins was replaced by Arrington in sub-packages. Would have been better, maybe, to take HT off instead. Poor coverage at the 2nd-level was the weakest link in pass defense. That’s where most of the Chiefs’ receptions were made, and poor shedding/slippage (there and in the secondary itself) made for a lot of YAC for the Chiefs.
    – Chris Jones doesn’t diagnose plays well and frequently loses track of where the ball is going. He runs himself out of the play a lot. There was a play last night in which he bull-rushed the Center about five yards back into the pocket. The problem is that there WAS no pocket – because it was a run play off right guard and the RB was already 5 yards beyond the LoS by the time Jones even looked up. Unfortunately, this is all too typical of Jones. So, the problem with having him replace Siliga isn’t that Jones is lighter, it’s that he’s not very smart. Vellano isn’t as strong at the PoA and doesn’t get as much pressure as Jones, but he’s in the right place at the right time way more often.
    – Easley is certainly looking less lost, but he got pushed around a bit last night.
    – Revis was playing a lot of zone and off-man coverage. That’s a bad idea.
    – Logan Ryan’s aggressiveness hurt him a bit. The “hands to the face” call on him was pretty ticky-tack, though, especially compared to the several times that guys nearly had their helmets pushed off the back of their heads around the LoS. Still, it was technically a correct call, and it was readily visible and Ryan needs to not be so casual about where his hands are. In any case, I think Ryan was “benched” in favor of Butler to allow him to cool off rather than for poor play.


    – Aside from one major whiff by Fleming, the interior OL looked much more solid in pass-pro. The protection issues were on the edges, mostly (again!) with Solder, who looked at times liked he’d just smoked a doobie. I wouldn’t be totally shocked if we saw Cannon at RT and Vollmer at LT next week.
    – Run-blocking was better, but still hit-or-miss. They did open a few holes that Ridley exploited fairly well. In a closer game, the Pats might used Ridley more, and maybe they should have regardless. Vereen, however, appears to have developed Maroney Disease – he’s a much better receiver than RB and was about the only guy besides LaFell who was getting open.
    – The couple of screen plays were easily diagnosed by the KCY defense and the Pats execution on them was generally awful (though Vereen’s dancing caused a couple failures there, too).
    – LaFell was running much better routes and showed more wiggle and giddy-up than I’ve ever seen from him. He ended up 4/8 for 38 yds for Brady – about the same as last week, but with the 44-yd TD catch tacked on. There’s some progress there.
    – Gronk is still lumbering down the field like he’s wearing 100 lbs of body armor. He also doesn’t appear to be running all of his usual routes yet. ATC, it’s kind of a miracle that he’s getting open at all.
    – Amendola hardly gets open at all anymore (28 snaps, zero targets).
    – I have no idea where Wright was on his 16 snaps (out of 50), but he wasn’t targeted.

    BRADY :
    — Statistically, on the surface, it doesn’t look all that bad: 61% completion rate, 6.9 YPA. Take away LaFell’s 44-yarder (about 25 YAC), though, and the YPA drops to 5.2. Not good.
    — On the first pick, Brady was clearly throwing to a spot and the intended target (whoever it was) wasn’t where Brady expected him to be. No way to know who that’s on.
    — On the end-zone view replay of the pick-six, it appears that Brady had successfully “looked off” the safety since Abdullah is half-turned toward the right sideline. Edelman (I think it was) appears to have his man beat on the post route with no defenders between him and the goal line. But, just as Brady releases the ball, Abdullah turns back and makes a great play. Obviously, he’d been faking Brady into forcing the throw. But, y’know, down 34-7 in the fourth quarter, it’s probably time to be forcing some throws anyway.
    — On the play where Brady could have run for the first down, Edelman was in a similar spot – in the middle with no one between him and the goal line – but he was better covered. Again, with the Pats being behind as far as they were, I can understand Brady forcing that throw – which wasn’t bad, it just got broken up by the defender.
    — OTOH, this was the first game this season in which Brady has targeted fewer than 8 different guys (only four last night).
    — My biggest concern with Brady now is the same as it was for a good part of last season – he doesn’t seem to be that leader who rallys/fires-up his guys anymore. It seems to me that he used to be that guy who, when a play/series didn’t go well, he’d pat guys on the helmet as a kind of ” we’ll get’em next time” gesture and then spend his time on the sideline exhorting the guys with a “we can DO this”/rah-rah approach. Now, all he seems to do is sit by himself and sulk. Maybe he’s just thinking about what HE can do better on the field, going over his own misreads and poor throws to figure out how to fix things, but he really needs to get out of his own head and do some damn cheerleading instead. .

  4. DMC413 says:

    Bill Bilichick this… Tom Brady that… Kraft not spending money so this is what we end up with, Blah-Blah-Blah.

    It’s simple, the OL sucks!!!! Brady is scared and does not trust this line at all. So before the snap even starts it is doomed. For this reason and this reason only is why we look like DO-DO.

    In years past we used the pass to set up the run which was evident in 2012 when our O was clicking on all cylinders but mainly because the fundamental element of the O was the pass and the catching of WW/GRONK/HERNANDEZ which ultimately set up Ridley to march for 1200 yds that season. But this only happens when you give TOM TIME TO THROW THE BALL!!

    I’ll quickly point out our WR corp is fine and is actually the best we had in a while because of its depth but the media and Football-Talking-Heads will have you believe only Edelman and Gronk are the only ones getting open. NO, it’s more like .000000000172591 SECONDS after the snap not even a 3 step drop Brady has to get rid of the ball due to pressure in his face…. so he throws to who he has the most trust with. If you put TB and this WR

    • DMC413 says:

      with the OL from 2001-2005 you would see John Madden #s for the PATS!!

      The D-Fence is built to hold teams as long as we are putting points on the board. They are not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens!

      So ultimately the previous mentioned lackluster play of the OL bleeds over to all other faucets of the game for us. Sadly any thing shy of trading for a top-tier Tackle/Guard im not sure we can fix this problem this year!

      • steve earle says:

        Your comments look correct. The o-line sucks. Problem is I doubt any team is or would be willing to part with a starting linemen for anything short of a small fortune. I give it two more games and if no improvement it might be time ( I hate to say this) to look at Incognito.

        • DMC413 says:

          Im looking for his agent’s number as we speak!

          Two weeks may be to late as it would take time (a week or 2) to get accumulated to the team…

          Im hearing grumbling of let the coaches fix this before bringing in a guy like that… Haven’t they been working out and COACHING since April?!?!?!

          It would be a sad thing to think that the neglect-ion to the OL by Bill and company may serve as the only reason we don’t make a return trip to the big dance in Feb.

    • MaineMan says:

      Actually, if you look at the tape, Thompkins, Dobson, Wright, LaFell (until recently) and Amendola (especially) have NOT been getting open on time very often at all, and that’s even been when Brady HAS had time to do a broader survey of the field. It’s not all on the OL. Even slow-as-molasses Gronk has been better at getting open.

      WRT “trust” – through the first three games Edelman was catching literally 80% of anything thrown anywhere near him. Vereen is the only other target who’s snagged significantly more than 50% of his targets. Seriously, these other guys not being able to catch much more than half of what’s thrown to them is because Brady doesn’t TRUST THEM? Ya think it might be the other way around?

      • DMC413 says:

        I guess it depends what your definition of what open is? In the NFL open is half a step or less depending on the athlete. Any WR who is WIDE-open is usually the result of a blown assignment by the defense. So when watching the tape I see Brady not having time to throw his WR “open” like in the past where the OL would allow TB to stand in there and wait for the WR to finish there route where he would throw the ball at the top of the route away from the defender, = ing Tom Terrific.

        I appreciate the #’s and %’s but they are skewed… Like I mentioned above TB usually throws his WR’s open at the top of their route but because this is no longer a luxury for him in an effort to avoid getting sacked he has had to pull the trigger much earlier than he would like resulting in him throwing the ball high or at the WR’s feet to avoid interceptions or a flag from the zebras. So out of theses throws to any particular player how many where actual passes and how many where balls just being thrown away. “TRUST” in this case ultimately comes back to the OL!

        • MaineMan says:

          Well, neither my definition of “open” or yours matters a bit. It’s what Brady sees on the field along with a gazillion other things he also needs to monitor at a high rate. If Edelman or Gronk or Vereen are the closest to being open when he feels he needs to make the throw (regardless of how much time he has), that’s where the ball is going because even their windows don’t stay open forever.

          The odd thing about all this is that Edelman’s target % over the first three games (with a slight uptick in wks 2 & 3, and a downturn against KCY) – while everyone has been complaining about him seeing too many – was the same as his % of Brady’s targets last season – when basically nobody was complaining. Welker saw about the same % of Brady’s targets when HE was with the Pats. Gronk’s target % this season has been roughly his career per-game average. So, if Brady is, in fact, throwing to Edelman/Gronk an unusual amount while ignoring other guys who are “supposedly” open, why haven’t Edelman’s and Gronk’s percentages blown up? Maybe because Brady actually HAS been throwing to these other guys – sometimes even when they’re not quite open – and they’ve only caught about half of them (while Edelman has been catching about 80% of his).

          Seems that there’s a lot of emotional overreaction sweeping facts aside here.

        • big w says:

          Well the facts are they lost ,out coached, out played and about ten times slower.Instead of writing paragraphs and stats and all that BS the facts are they shouldn’t have screwed Mankins, then you wouldn’t have to write a half page dissertation on who the hell plays OLINE. Football is a game of Physical and Mental toughness this team is lacking in both.Reply’s please under a hundred words or I loose interest.

        • DMC413 says:


          Either I wasn’t clear enough on how the timing or lack of is causing Brady to have issues or you clearly didn’t get what I was alluding to bye the fact that OPEN or not it doesn’t matter when it comes to Tom because he is going to put it where his WR and only his WR can get it regardless of our differencing opinions of “openness”. But he just simply doesn’t have time to execute the correct throw when he needs to:

          i.e. starting from the slot a WR beats his man on a 5yd out-route by the thickness of a sheet of paper Brady is going to place the ball only where his WR can get it. Because of the lack of time more than likely the WR is going to catch or drop the ball because of the coverage being so close, this is wear you have to pay attention. In the past TB will hold the ball allowing his WR to create a bit more of separation in the hopes for some YAC.

          I actually watch the games so I’d be the first one to tell you that TT is spreading the ball… true story! It’s just that a part of those throws leave his hand as a result to avoid the sack rather than the optimal ideal time.

          So this emotion “YOU” speak of is nothing less than me highlighting your #’s and %’s are factual but skewed based off the reasoning behind each throw. It’s simple math actually. TOM + MORETIME= A BETTER QB rating across the board!!! So In case any one is confused with my original point, the OL needs to play better!!!!

        • DMC413 says:


          Sorry your A-D-D kicks in after 100 words or so but there’s nothing wrong with someone blowing off steam weather it’s 1 word or a million word essay!

          But I’ll play your game:

          Pats lost

          reply- Yes they did.

          That sucks.

          reply- Yes it does.

          What are we gonna do about it?

          reply- Get a new football TEAM!

          Problem solved.

          reply- Yeah, everyone’s happy now!

        • Bigw says:

          Ok DMC413 I was talking to maine man not yourself so relax I simply grow tired of post doc stats when what u see in the teams face is a crew that needs a change Tom is too content and the coaching staff seems to bow to the chief. There needs to be changes you could see it last year against Denver in the AFC final. You don’t see Russel Wilson or any quarterback get much time at all anymore Tom’s game doesn’t fit in the league anymore.

        • MaineMan says:

          REPLY to DMC413:

          A thousand apologies. I was mostly agreeing with you and just trying to add some further context. And the “emotion” line at the end was DEFINITELY NOT aimed at you but at (ahem) certain others. Again, you were clear enough. I wasn’t.

          Thus, in yet another well-intended attempt to add to your point about Brady having to hurry his throws, it seems to me that a significant portion of his supposed “misses” have actually been him being careful with the ball, erring on the side of caution. I think that went out the window against KC since they were behind by so much, which is where the forced throws/INTs came from (even the 44-yd completion to LaFell was forced into relatively tight coverage). In the Miami game they were only down by 3 until way late in the 4th quarter, so he was still being cautious.

          REPLY to “big w”:

          Let’s see – continue trying to maintain factual accuracy regardless how many words seem to be required, OR set an arbitrary word-count limit so that I don’t lose YOUR interest. Hmmmm. Tough choice.


          I have no objection to you posting your overwrought rants, or even to you claiming that your emotional opinions are “facts”. When I see your handle, I simply skip to the next post. You should probably do the same with mine.

        • DMC413 says:


          No need for apologies but I do appreciate the honesty and clarifying the murky waters… Not a lot of people can do that!

          I too agreed with most of what you were saying and was adding to some of your points.

  5. Bom Trady says:

    wow what a great game from Lafell


    Kraft just REFUSES to spend money where it needs to be spent. It took him basically 8 years to get him to throw some more money at our defense, but he’s done it at the expense of our offensive line and receiving core, leaving Brady with a line he can’t trust and no one to throw to besides Gronk and Edelman (who used to be our 4th receiver couple of years back…..) ill said it b4 and ill say it again Edelman should not be a #1 Receiver on any nfl team.

    What good is an elite weapon when you have nothing to aim it at?

    What Steve Young said postgame (and pre game) was spot on about Brady being a racecar given 2 wheels and how he’s done the most with the least for as long as he could. Can we finally blame the front offices questionable decisions? Since Brady restructured we’ve lost Welker, Mankins, Blount and Talib all productive and gotten Ammendola, Lafell, and Revis who was supposed to be an upgrade to an already good CB.

    If drafting Jimmy G was the writing in the sand then they did Brady dirty these last few years.

    • steve earle says:

      Well Bom your understanding of how the Pat’s are set up is just wrong. It’s BB who makes the decisions on who and when to spend money on. Kraft is one of the smartist owners in football and learned way back in the 90’s to let the coach/gm make the decisions. Remember the Tuna and after Kraft forced him to take a WR in the 1st rd he finished the season and left? Remember what happened? Kraft does, so if you want to place blame it belongs on BB and his “value” players like Wilson, Ebner, and all those injury prone draft picks. At some point those things just have to catch up with a team it seems to me and this may be that time.

      • steve earle says:

        Speaking of injury prone players, just how many snaps did our 1st rd draft pick, Easley, have? I only saw him a couple times. Geeze maby he’ll be ready to play in 2015 or 16? So much for value picks imo!

        • MaineMan says:

          Easley played 29 of 65 defensive snaps. Like with Collins last season, his playing time has been gradually increasing each game.

        • steve earle says:

          That many? I’m surprised ! Other then when the anouncers noted he was on for pass rush I didn’t hear his name called again.

        • MaineMan says:

          Yeah, Easley has been mostly invisible so far. OTOH, they used him at RDE for several snaps in place of Chandler and his edge-setting on running plays was an improvement.

          I think that may be they way things are headed (I hope so, at least). Seems to me that Chandler has generally been much better at setting the edge from the OLB spot while still being able to get good pressure from there. If Easley can start getting his rush on, a (Vellano/Jones)-Wilfork-Easley 30-front with Nink-Mayo-(Collins/Hightower)- Chandler LB corps behind them could be very good. Just need to hope that Crowley quickly becomes another Siliga to give Wilfork some time off here and there.

        • DMC413 says:

          That was the one and only good thing that I see come this game was the fact Easely looke d descent at setting the edge on the right side.

  6. big w says:

    Ok so u want to moderate what I say got rid of my last two comments , I guess Bill is running this website . So politely I will say which I said before the game is that Bill should stop drafting receivers if he doesn’t play them. I also said it is time to fire both offensive co-ord and defensive co-ord. I also said its time to send Brady away he is done .

    • Oppitz says:

      What in hell can Brady do?

      His main target used to be our 4th receiver when the offense was clicking years ago, his lineman cant even put the hands on the rushers… This offense is loaded with mediocre players and very poor coaching, you cannot expect a lot of it.

  7. Oppitz says:

    Thats what happens when you surround yourself with bad coaches (Patricia, Boyer, O’Shea, DeGuglielmo) and mediocre players

    • big w says:

      It also shows you Bill is no draft genius second round receiver treated like crap, guy plays but off in preseason doesn’t play. Number 1 draft choice plays 4 downs a game and Revis doesn’t want to play for us just get paid. Time for a full time kick but GM and if Bill can’t handle it then Goodbye.

  8. steve earle says:

    Tonights game was not pretty, worse we got blown out. No part of our game looked even decent. Maybe, just maybe all those low round and udfa o-linemen may not have the ability to do the job? Don’t know, doesn’t look good right now. If this can’t be fixed we’ll have trouble being 8 & 8. Sad very sad.

    • acm says:

      That’s been a rather obvious problem with the OL and main reason for the steady decline OL play over the past several years, imo. Scarnecchia retiring turned what was already a masked problem into a disaster of sorts.
      This being said, this type of performances aren’t due to one particular group under-performing but the entire team as a whole. When even the top players on the team, players with both talent and experience, can’t get the basics right, that’s a coaching problem for me, from top to bottom. Considering the same thing happened in the 2nd half vs the Dolphins, the issue may be deeper than usual and may require more time to see steady improvement but until I see otherwise, I’d think it’s ultimately fixable.

    • Russell says:

      Holey smokes what a wipping! The whole team looked in disaray, Slater played well that was about it. The Bengals are a far better team then K.C. Poor D could never get off the field. Did have two shuttle pass plays that went well on the Offence, some plays showed good blocking, others were bad. Amendola is getting to much money, for not much. Revis is playing better and was very close (turn over) on two plays. Ninkovich never got off the line all night, and was over matched.
      Bengals 34- Patriots 13 if there lucky enough to score.

      • MaineMan says:

        Nink wasn’t getting much pressure, but that’s because he was doing what Chandler Jones SHOULD have been doing – making sure the edge was set. The Chiefs tried running to Nink’s side only a few times, and most of those he forced back to the inside where Davis and Charles managed about a 3.8 YPA. All of their longest runs and nearly 70% of their total rushing yardage was to Chandler’s side.

        • Russell says:

          I agree Ninkovich played the run very well, but on passing plays he was overmatched by thier OT. You are right they ran at C.Jones because he did not set the edge, tho the LB’s should have look at that side of the D as the weak side, and they did some but mostly got blocked.

    • MaineMan says:

      Andruzzi – UDFA
      Koppen – 5th
      Neal – UDFA
      Kaczur – 3rd
      Connolly – UDFA
      Wendell – UDFA

      Meanwhile, as far as I can see, the most consistent source of the damage through all four games has been Solder, a 1st-rounder.

      And 17 of their 25 picks in the first three rounds, beginning in 2009, have gone to the defense. You can’t have it both ways, especially when you’re almost never drafting in the top 25 unless you make a trade-up. It’s a zero-sum situation, no matter how much you wish it weren’t.

  9. Jason says:

    We are not good. Love the Pats, but this loss isn’t one that you immediately bounce back from. Cincinnati will roll over us next week. I’m not saying we need to blow up the team, but this has been coming for some time. The guys on ESPN following the game were correct in saying that the 2014 Patriots are mediocre at best. I’m really not trying to be negative, but it’s time to face reality. Brady could lead a dozen other teams to a Super Bowl victory, but not this one.

    • acm says:

      roster isn’t perfect but isn’t that bad either and has a tone of untapped potential, which leads me to believe that the main issue with the team is the coaching – both on O and D, overall, not just OL. There is poor execution and broken assignments all over the field – players we all know can perform up to the task, aren’t doing it. So I’d expect BB to fix things around soon enough. Only unknown here is how the new OL coach – with DS you knew it was just a matter of time before the adjustments worked; not sure how DeG would be in that regard.

      Personally, I’d love to see the Space-guy go off to space and leave the DC job for someone more capable. BB would never do that to his protege though as his ego would be in the way.

      • Russell says:

        I agree the Patriots have some quality players, they just looked in disaray. the Patriots still can’t cover anybody with thier LB’s, in the passing game.

        • acm says:

          They could always use a LaVonte David on this team but the current LB corpse should be able to do a much better job in that regard as is. They’ve simply lacked the consistency in execution and concentration, so far, resulting in misreads, broken tackles and assignments, etc, etc.

  10. dwhe2014 says:

    The only question remaining is: Are they smart enough too woop-it in gear enough too take the Division title and toss any remaining games so as too beef up draft stock? I think they can & furthermore should do both.
    Yes, I said Division Title and Tank!

  11. Dylan.C says:

    These comments should be interesting tomorrow, almost as interesting as things are going to get against the Bengals next sunday night…..

  12. Bigw says:

    I can’t believe the 1st half of this game db’s sqeeze us, no deep threat Brady is officially a huge chicken shit. He is so scared to fail that he does it by default. This team is done for this year, trade Brady to Oakland let Garrapolo throw to the new guys and at least be mildly entertaining. Bill is done, Defensive coordinator , McDaniel is done . This team drafts a d lineman who plays 4 downs a game as its first pick. Time for a new head coach , Quarterback and both coordinators its been creeping up for 5 or 6 years and has shown the game has passed them by. And like I said about Revis he doesn’t seem to want to play for us Bowe is killing him.

  13. Bigw says:

    You have to be kidding me Thompkins and Dobson inactive time for Bill to stop drafting guys , hire a true GM. This a second round talent and a guy who lit it up in pre season. Other teams turn their receiving picks into stars we shit all over them.

  14. Russell says:

    Stork to play at OC, Patriots win , 31 to 16.

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