Two For Tuesday: Rashaad Penny and Derrius Guice, RB’s

 

 

Two for Tuesday brings you two workhorse backs that could bring stability and clarity to the Patriots backfield.

 

NEPD Staff Contributor: Jeff Fidler

 

Rashaad Penny – RB – San Diego St – 5’11/220

 

Background

  • Born 2-2-96 in California
  • Coming off prolific season where he had over 2,000 yards rushing, 19 rec, 20+ TD’S & Including a few returns.



Strengths 

  • Great H/W & speed. Thick build.
  • Patience, Vision & Elusiveness –Penny has wonderful patience & vision. Doesn’t just find a hole but the right one. Let’s his OL work, runs w/ adjusted tempo before striking & sabotages 2nd level tacklers w/ his peripheral vision & ability to bounce back outside. Can stutter step at full speed, cut back & has nice wiggle for a back his size. Forced tons of missed tackles. Nice hip swivel & lower half shifts to fool defenders. Uses head & shoulder fakes.
  • Versatility – Several return TD’s, Rec TD’s & plenty of rushing. Can work in the flat & beat LB’s w/ ease on wheel routes. Produced everywhere he got the ball. Uses body but reliable target so far.
  • Brings & stepped up into workhorse role & has quick strike game w/ him. Can handle 20 + carries or take it for 6 from anywhere. Coming off 2,000+ season & 20+ TD’s.
  • Pass fumble rate six fumbles on 600+ career touches. Avg 7+ ypc last 2 years.
  • Always looking for 6 but has A-B plan to get positives, impactful yards. One cut & burst for the most part. Good lateral quicks & has long speed. Can work in tight spaces, get skinny through small holes. Ruins angles defender take.

 

Concerns 

  • Pass Pro is big issue. Effort to Technique it’s a project.
  • Would like to see a little more aggression through contact but it’s not a “problem”
  • Route running & consistency in terms of using hands, extending his arms should improve.
  • At times runs a bit too high

 

Summary

Penny is the type of RB teams value a lot more than some fans. He has a little bit of everything in his game & has some above average traits. Very good vision, elusiveness, quicks & speed. He can impact the rec & return game as well. He has his flaws & issues but their correctable & would really make a complete RB. He has upside but you can plug & play him to get positive yards & make defenders miss right now.

 

 

 

Traits That Translate

Here are some clips that show off Penny’s skill set

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/_PeteLaw/status/973552434768355328

 

 

https://twitter.com/_PeteLaw/status/973551983603822592

 

 

Derrius Guice – RB – LSU – 5’10/220

 

Background

  • Grew up in middle of crime, poverty & violence. Lost father at a very young age. Rough doesn’t describe upbringing.
  • Weight room monster, teammates & coaches have described him as a “freak” & “dropped from out space”.
  • Has dealt with various different injuries since high school.


Strengths

  • Solid, Rock’d up at 5’10/220. Thick build, Powerful lower half that pushes legendary lbs in the weight room.
  • Violent, Powerful Runner W/ Great Vision – Jackhammer runner who smashes DB’s into submission . Will run over & through defenders. Spin off or cut around them w/ his amazing jump cut. Beastmode worthy. You must “want to” tackle him bc he’s not going down w/ arm tackles. Great overall & peripheral vision. Esp wide peripheral sight. Guice’s jump cuts are powerful & a thing of beauty to watch but he’s successful w/ them bc of his great vision to see a lane or crease. He sees it, cuts back & is gone. Very patient runner that will follow blocks & wait for bodies to move but also has good 2nd level vision.
  • Versatility Speed & Elusiveness – Guice has breakaway game speed to take for 6 from anywhere. Has out ran DB’s in close quarters. Very good burst & wiggle at 220. Has big upside as rec. Hands are soft & reliable. Lots of potential as “sneak away” Rec RB on misdirection plays. Lined up in the slot, out wide.
  • Faced a loaded box most of the time w/ a less than average line. Still produced when healthy.
  • Quick Feet & Burst make him a threat in short areas make 6 happen. Can make something out of nothing. Kills great angles would tacklers take.
  • Very good & effective in pass pro. Not afraid of contact & doesn’t mind hitting first.
  • Great contact balance & awareness. 5 takes & gives hits & keeps on going like jagged boulder falling downhill. Great lower half balance & power.
  • Special 3 down back that offers everything from short yardage power football to creating for himself if the play breaks down around him.
  • Very good & experienced running out of s/g.

Concerns

  • Could do a better job at running lower with consistency & redirecting off hits instead of taking the brunt. Def could “choose his battles” a little for wisely at the the next level.
  • Any injury worries? Medicals?

 

 

 

Summary

RB’s like Guice don’t come along but every so often. How many running backs really run like Marshawn Lynch? I’m talking ever. Guice literally does. That’s not all he reminds you of but his violent, fierce style is obvious beast mode. With insane production & other traits when healthy. Guice isn’t all smacking fools & cracking suckas though. He shows great patience, creative ability, vision & finish in his run game. Also has the versatility you want in terms of pass pro & rec ability. And again big upside in the sense that he won’t be the best player on his team, at least not right away & will be surrounded by better players. Guice could play & excel in any era. He’s a 1st round pick all day long.

 

 

Traits That Translate

 

 

 

 

 

42 Responses to “Two For Tuesday: Rashaad Penny and Derrius Guice, RB’s”

  1. Stephen J says:

    Texas RB Chris Warren

    ……………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…204…….1150…13…..23…………..242….2…….2…………1
    2017……71………314…..6…..18…………..229…..2……2…………1
    2016……62………366…..3…….0……………..0…..0…….0…………0
    2015……71………470…..4…….5…………….13…..0……0…………0

    204/2 = 102.0…1 Fumble every 102.0 rushes
    204+23 = 227/2 = 113.5… 1 Fumble every 113.5 touches
    204/1 = 204.0…1 Lost Fumble every 204.0 rushes
    227/1 = 227.0…1 Lost Fumble every 227.0 touches

    • Stephen J says:

      Combine Pro Day Results

      Height:……6’2″
      Weight:…..247 lbs
      40:………..4.51 Pro Day
      3 Cone:…..6.98
      20 Shuttle:4.18
      Broad:…….10’1″(121″)
      Vert:……….33″
      Bench:…….25

  2. Stephen J says:

    Ryan Nall RB Oregon St

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career..385…..2216…24……56………….563…..4……5………….3
    2017….165…….810….8……27………….240…..2…….3…………2
    2016….147…….951…13……22………….214…..2……2………….1
    2015…..73……..455….3……..7………….109……0……0…………0

    385/5 = 77.0…1 Fumble every 77.0 rushes
    385+56 = 441/5 = 88.2…1 Fumble every 88.2 touches
    385/3 = 128.33…1 Lost Fumble every 128.33 rushes
    441/3 = 147.0…1 Lost Fumble every 147.0 touches

  3. Stephen J says:

    Kerryon Johnson RB Auburn

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…519……..2494….32……55…………..478…..2……..3………….2
    2017…..285……..1391….18……24…………..194…..2……..1………….1
    2016…..182……….895….11……17…………..125…..0……..2………….1
    2015…….52……….208……3……14…………..159…..0……..0………….0

    519/3 = 173.0….1 Fumble every 173.0 rushes
    519+55 = 574/3 = 191.33…1 Fumble every 191.33 touches
    519/2 = 259.5…1 Lost Fumble every 259.5 rushes
    574/2 = 287.0…1 Lost Fumble every 287.0 touches

  4. Stephen J says:

    Kalen Ballage RB Az St

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…450……..1984….27…..82……………684…..2……..8………….3
    2017…..157………669……6……20…………….91…..0……..1………….0
    2016…..126………536…..14…..44……………469…..1……..3………….2
    2015…..125………653…….4…..12……………..60…..0……..3………….1
    2014……42……….126…….3…….6……………..64…..1……..1………….0

    450/8 = 56.25…..1 Fumble every 56.25 rushes
    450+82 = 532/8 = 66.5….1 Fumble every 66.5 touches
    450/3 = 150.0…1 Lost Fumble every 150.0 rushes
    532/3 = 177.33…1 Lost Fumble every 177.33 touches

  5. kevin z says:

    A Physical draft make Offense tougher plus helps D be on field for shorter period of time

    1st:Darius Guice RB
    1st:Ragsnow G-C
    2nd:Mark Andrews TE
    2nd Tim Settle DT plays like a Big DE though
    3rd:Darrell Williams RB insurance for Guice plus teammate’s again
    6th:Chad Kanoff QB
    6th:Leon Jacobs LB Rangy can Cover
    7th:Josh Kalu FS Rangy plus ball skills

  6. kevan says:

    How about Kalen ballage Stephen J

  7. brandon maxham says:

    mock draft 4/11: 1 of 2

    1st:Lorenzo Carter OLB

    1st:Isaiah Oliver CB

    2nd:Brian O’Neil OT

    2nd:Oren Burks ILB-S

    3rd:Royce Freeman RB

    6th:Chad Kanoff QB

    6th:Braxton Berrios WR

    7th:Myles Pierce ILB

  8. Stephen J says:

    Darrel Williams RB LSU

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…321……..1651…19……38……………464…..0……..1…………0
    2017…..145………820…..9…….23……………331…..0…….0…………0
    2016…….52………233…..3……..5……………..37…..0……..0…………0
    2015…….60………296…..4……..4……………..31…..0……..0………….0
    2014…….64………302…..3……..6……………..63…..0……..1………….0

    321/1 = 321.0…1 Fumble every 321 rushes
    321+38 = 359/1 = 359.0…1 Fumble every 359.0 touches
    0 Lost Fumbles

  9. Stephen J says:

    Boston Scot RB LA Tech

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…288……..1840…14…..32…………….307…..1…….1………….0
    2017…..183……..1047….8……20…………….181…..1…….0………….0
    2016……70……….515…..6……11…………….125…..0…….1…………0
    2015……34……….275…..0…….1………………..1…..0……..0…………0
    2014…….1…………..3……0……0…………………0….0……..0…………0

    288/1 = 288.0… 1 Fumble every 288 rushes
    288+32 = 320/1 = 320.0…1 Fumble every 320.0 touches
    0 Lost Fumbles

    • Stephen J says:

      Boston Scott RB Louisiana Tech Pro Day Results

      Height:..5’6 3/4″
      Weight:..195 lbs
      40……….4.40
      10 Split…1.58
      Bench……21
      Vert………38.5″
      Broad…….10’1″
      20 Shuttle..4.15
      3 Cone…….6.66

  10. Stephen J says:

    Justin Jackson RB Northwestern

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…1142……5440….41…..122………….858…..1……..7…………..4
    2017……287…….1311….11……44…………..276…..0…….1……………0
    2016……298…….1524….15……35…………..219…..0…….1……………1
    2015……312…….1418……5……21…………..162…..0…….4……………2
    2014……245…….1187…..10…..22…………..201…..1…….1…………….1

    1142/7 = 163.14…1 Fumble every 163.14 rushes
    1142+122 = 1264/7 = 180.57…1 Fumble every 180.57 touches
    1142/4 = 285.5…1 Lost Fumble every 285.5 rushes
    1264/4 = 316.0…1 Lost Fumble every 316.0 touches

  11. Stephen J says:

    Royce Freeman RB Oregon

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Fumbles Lost
    Career…947……..5621….60…..79……………814…..4……..9………….4
    2017…..244……..1475….16…..14……………164…..0……..2………….1
    2016…..168……….945……9…..23……………144…..1……..4………….2
    2015…..283………1836….17…..26……………348…..2……..2………….0
    2014…..252………1365….18…..16……………158…..1……..1………….1

    947/9 = 105.22… 1 Fumble every 105.22 rushes
    947+79 = 1029/9 = 114.33… 1 Fumble every 114.33 touches
    947/4 = 236.75….1 Lost Fumble every 236.75 rushes
    1029/4 = 257.25…1 Lost Fumble every 257.25 touches

  12. Stephen J says:

    Kyle Hicks RB TCU

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…444………2101…19…..102………….930…..4………2…………2
    2017…..139……….637…..4…….30………….291……1……..1…………1
    2016…..203………1042….12…..47………….417……2………1…………1
    2015……56…………262…..3……13………….104…..1………0………….0
    2014……46…………160…..0…….12………….118….0………0………….0

    444/2 = 222… 1 Fumble every 222 rushes
    444+102 = 546/2 = 273…1 Fumble every 273 touches
    1 Fumble Lost every 222 rushes
    1 Fumble Lost every 273 touches

  13. Matt H says:

    1st (23rd from Rams) – Mike McGlinchey LT Notre Dame
    1st- Josh Jackson CB Iowa
    2nd – Lorenzo Carter LB Georgia
    2nd – Rasheem Green DE/DT USC
    3rd – Kyle Lauletta QB Richmond
    6th – (From Rams) Braxton Berrios WR Miami
    6th – Darell Williams LSU RB
    7th – Dimitri Flowers FB/H-Back Arkansas

  14. Stephen J says:

    Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…267……..1512….20…..21……………131…..0………3…………0
    2017…..124………596……8……17……………109…..0………0…………0
    2016…..125………812…..11……4………………22…..0………3…………0
    2015……18……….104……1……0………………..0…..0………0…………0

    267/3 = 89.0… 1 Fumble every 89.0 rushes
    267+21 = 288/3 = 96.0…1 Fumble every 96.0 touches
    0 Lost Fumbles

  15. Stephen J says:

    Jordan Chunn RB Troy

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…679…….3124…..47…..84……………558…..0……..11………..7
    2017…..154………774…..10…..28……………204…..0………3…………3
    2016……279…….1288….16……30…………..228…..0………5…………2
    2015……..2………….7……1…….1……………….2…..0………0…………0
    2014……111………509…..6…….4………………20….0………3…………2
    2013……128………514…..14…..21……………104….0………0…………0

    679/11 = 61.72… 1 Fumble every 61.72 rushes
    679+84 = 763/11 = 69.36… 1 Fumble every 69.36 touches
    679/7 = 97…1 Lost Fumble every 97.0 rushes
    763/7 = 109… 1 Lost Fumble every 109 touches

  16. Stephen J says:

    Nick Chubb RB Georgia

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…758……..4759….44…..31……………361…..4……..8………….5
    2017…..223……..1345….15……4……………..30……0……..0………….0
    2016…..224………1130…..8……5……………..86……1……..3………….3
    2015……92………..747…..7…….4……………..32……1……..1………….0
    2014……219……..1547….14…..18……………213…..2……..4………….2

    758/8 = 94.75…1 Fumble every 94.75 rushes
    758+31 = 789/8 = 98.63… 1 Fumble every 98.63 touches
    758/5 = 151.6…1 Lost Fumble every 151.6 rushes
    789/5 = 157.8… 1 Lost Fumble every 157.8 touches

  17. Stephen J says:

    Sony Michel RB Georgia

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…590……..3613….33…..64……………621…..6…….12…………5
    2017…..156……..1227….16……9…………….96…..1……..2………….1
    2016…..152……….840…..4……22……………149….1……..3………….1
    2015……218……..1136….8……26……………270…..3…….5………….1
    2014…….64………..410….5…….7…………….106…..1…….2………….2

    590/12 = 49.16… 1 Fumble every 49.16 rushes
    590+64 = 654/12 = 54.5… 1 Fumble every 54.5 touches
    590/5 = 118… 1 Lost Fumble every 118 rushes
    654/5 = 130.8… 1 Lost Fumble every 130.8 touches

  18. lenny says:

    Penny has drawn comparisons to Hunt – whom you identified as last year’s great running back value – so I was interested to read your opinion of Penny. Obviously, he cannot be a Patriot if his pass blocking is an issue, but he makes perfect sense for Seattle which seems to prefer having Wilson constantly run for his life. It is the biggest NFL mystery of the last few years why an organization run by highly intelligent people has squandered championships by refusing to build a competent offensive line on a team that otherwise has been elite. Now, the window has closed for the Seahawks and it is rebuilding time. I hope the Pats use those high picks to load up on young talent rather than trade for one of these quarterbacks because a) there is no dominant Elway-type in this draft; and b) rebuilding as you go is so much better than rebuilding after your roster deteriorates.

  19. Stephen J says:

    Josh Adams RB Notre Dame

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…480……..3201…20……41……………336…..2……….3………..1
    2017…..206……..1430…9……..13……………101…..0……….0………..0
    2016…..158………933….5……..21……………193…..1……….1………..0
    2015…..116………838….6………7………………42…..1……….2………..1

    480/3 = 160.0…1 Fumble for every 160.0 rushes
    480+41 = 521/3 = 173.67… 1 Fumble for every 173.67 touches
    480/1 = 480… 1 Lost Fumble for every 480 rushes
    521/1 = 521… 1 Lost Fumble for every 521 touches

    • Stephen J says:

      Josh Adams Notre Dame Pro Day Results

      Height:…6’1 3/4″
      Weight:…215 lbs
      40:………4.51
      10 Split…1.59
      Bench……18
      Vert:……..34″
      Broad:…..10’2″
      3 Cone:…6.78

  20. Stephen J says:

    Jordan Wilkins RB Ole Miss

    ………..Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career..279……..1751….14…..32……………322…..1……..2………….2
    2017….155……..1011….9…….26……………241…..1……..1………….1
    2015….72……….379…..4……..5……………..75……0……..1………….1
    2014….52……….361……1…….1……………..6……..0……..0………….0

    279/2 = 139.5….1 Fumble every 139.5 rushes
    279+32 = 311/2 = 155.5….1 Fumble every 155.5 touches
    1 Lost Fumble every 139.5 rushes
    1 Lost Fumble every 155.5 touches

  21. Stephen J says:

    Chase Edmunds RB Fordham

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…938……..5862….67…..86…………..905……7…….7………….4
    2017…..136……..577……5…….11………….129……0…….2…………..1
    2016…..257……..1799….19……25………….272……1…….3…………..2
    2015…..251……..1648….20……31………….383……5…….1…………..0
    2014…..294……..1838….23……19………….121……1…….1…………..1

    938/7 = 134.0… 1 Fumble every 134.0 rushes
    938+86 = 1024/7 = 146.29…1 Fumble every 146.29 touches
    938/4 = 234.5… 1 Lost Fumble every 234 rushes
    1024/4 = 256.0… 1 Lost Fumble every 256.0 touches

  22. Stephen J says:

    Ito Smith RB Southern Miss

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…820……..4538…42……140………….1446…7……..11………..8
    2017…..248……..1415…13……40……………396…..2……..3…………3
    2016…..265……..1459…17……43……………459…..2……..3…………2
    2015…..171……..1128…10……49……………515…..3………2………..2
    2014…..136………536….2……..8……………..76…….0……..3………..1

    820/11 = 74.55…1 Fumble every 74.55 rushes
    820+140 = 960/11 = 1 Fumble every 87.27 touches
    820/8 = 102.5… 1 Lost Fumble every 102.5 rushes
    960/8 = 120.0… 1 Lost Fumble every 120.0 touches

  23. Stephen J says:

    John Kelly RB Tenn

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…327……..1523….15…..43…………..350……0…….3………….3
    2017…..189……..778……9……37……………299…..0…….1…………..1
    2016…..98……….630……5……6……………..51…….0…….2…………..2
    2015…..40……….165……1……0……………..0……….0……0………….0

    327/3 = 109… 1 Fumble every 109 rushes
    327+43 = 370/3 = 123.33… 1 Fumble every 123.33 touches
    1 Lost Fumble every 109 rushes
    1 Lost Fumble every 123.33 touches

  24. Stephen J says:

    Mark Walton RB Miami

    ………..Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career..395……..2006…26……56……………624…..2…….5………….2
    2017….56……….428….3……..7……………..91…….0…….0………….0
    2016….209……..1117…14……27……………240…..1……..0………….0
    2015….113……..461…..9…….22…………….293…..1……..5………….2

    395/5 = 79….1 Fumble every 79 rushes
    395+56 = 451/5 = 90.2…1 Fumble every 90.2 touches
    395/2 = 197.5…1 Lost Fumble every 197.5 rushes
    451/2 = 225.5…1 Lost Fumble every 225.5 touches

  25. Stephen J says:

    Jaylen Samuels NC St

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…182……..1107…28……201………….1851…19…..4………….3
    2017…..78……….407….12……75……………593…..4…….2………….2
    2016…..33……….189….6……..55……………565…..7……0…………..0
    2015…..56……….368….9……..65……………597…..7…….2………….1
    2014…..15……….143….1……..6……………..96…….1……0…………..0

    182/4 = 45.5…..1 Fumble every 45.5 rushes
    182+201 = 383/4…1 Fumble every 95.75 touches
    182/3 = 60.67…1 Lost Fumble every 60.67 rushes
    383/3 = 127.67…1 Lost Fumble every 127.67 touches

  26. kevin z says:

    A Prolong Brady mock draft to make him happy since lost dola and cooks plus jules older. also some D help as needed as well. Feel like can get a good UDFA 3rd down back with deep draft at rb plus mayb even a fb h -back weapon as well.

    1st– Lorenzo Carter OLB Athletic freak will Play hard every play
    2nd- Brian O’neill OT has Back round BB love’s
    2nd- Mike Gesicki Big WR weapon. Matthews and Britt on cheap short deals
    2nd Tyquen Lewis DE Not most Athletic but try hard all out type player
    3rd John Kelly RB Tough natural Runner reminds some of Devonta Freeman reminds me of a young Fred Taylor
    4th Fumagalli TE Gritty work hard try hard player good route Runner
    6th – Leon Jacobs LB athletic Wis Connection can Cover under radar player so far
    6th- – DJ Reed CB-nickel all around Game just short but not small
    7th – – cb-S Kameron Kelly can play SS role as well Physical player from ST Role Really good directing WR’s to the sideline’s

  27. brandon maxham says:

    1st:Lorenzo Carter OLB-EDGE

    1st:Brian O’Neil OT

    2nd:Fred Warner OLB-ILB

    2nd:Rasheem Green DE-DT

    3rd:Nyheim Hines RB

    6th:Logan Woodside QB

    6th:Braxton Berrios WR

    7th:Bentley Spain OT – Insurance Policy

  28. Stephen J says:

    Nyheim Hines RB NC ST

    …………Rushes…Yards…TD’s…Receptions…Yards…TD’s…Fumbles…Lost Fumbles
    Career…258…….1400….13……89……………933…..1………7…………3
    2017…..197…….1113….12……26……………152…..0………4…………1
    2016…..13………44…….0……..43……………525…..0………3…………2
    2015…..48………243…..1……..20…………….256….1………0…………0

    258/7 = 36.86….1 Fumble every 36.86 rushes
    258+89= 347/7 = 49.57…1 Fumble every 49.57 touches
    258/3 = 86….1 Lost Fumble every 86 touches
    347/3 =115.67…1 Lost Fumble every 115.67 touches

  29. Stephen J says:

    Derrius Guice

    …………Rushes….Yards….TD’s…..Receptions….TD’s….Fumbles….Lost Fumbles
    Career…471………3074….29…….32…………….3……….5……………2
    2017…..237………1251….11…….18…………….2……….1……………0
    2016…..183………1387….15……..9……………..1……….3……………2
    2015…..51………..436…….3……..5……………..0……….1……………0

    471/5=94.2…1 Fumble for every 94.2 rushes
    471+32=503/5 = 100.6… 1 Fumble for every 100.6 touches
    471/2 = 235.5…1 Lost Fumble for every 235.5 rushes
    503/2 = 251.5…1 Lost Fumble for every 251.5 touches

  30. Stephen J says:

    Rashaad Penny

    …………Rushes…..Yards…..TD’s….Receptions…..Yards….TD’s….Fumbles…..Lost Fumbles
    Career…488………3656……38…….42…………….479…….6…….6…………….4
    2017…..289………2248……23…….19…………….135…….2…….3…………….2
    2016…..136………1018……11…….15…………….224…….3…….2…………….2
    2015…..61………..368……..4………8……………..120…….1…….0…………….0
    2014…..2………….22………0……….0……………..0……….0…….1…………….0

    488/6 = 81.33…1 Fumble for every 81.33 rushes
    488+42=530/6=88.33…1 Fumble for every 88.33 touches
    488/4 = 122….1 Lost Fumble for every 122 rushes
    488+42=530/4=132.5… 1 Lost Fumble for every 132.5 touches

  31. Stephen J says:

    Since Lindsay was mentioned I looked him up and here is his breakdown statiscally

    Phillip Lindsay Colorado RB

    ………….Rushes….Yards….TD’s….Receptions…..Yards……TD’s…..Fumbles……Lost Fumbles
    Career …765……..3775…..36……117……………1084…….3………9……………5
    2017……301……..1474…..14……23……………..257………1………0……………0
    2016……244……..1252…..16……53……………..493………1………5……………2
    2015……141……..658…….6……..27……………..216………1………1……………1
    2014……79……….391…….0……..14……………..118………0………3……………2

    765/9 = 85….Fumbles 1 time in every 85 rushes
    765+36=801/9=89…Fumbles 1 time in every 89 touches
    765/5 = 153..Loses a fumble 1 time in every 153 rushes
    801/5 = 160.2 Loses a fumble 1 time in every 160.2 touches

    • Stephen J says:

      From a Career Perspective it doesn’t look good but he had his best year in 2017 where he didn’t fumble at all with 324 total touches.

    • Mike Gerken says:

      Fumble rate is a deciding factor I use when creating my board. When I have two guys that I like equally, I use this to rank or decide who makes the list and who doesn’t. It is something the Patriots clearly value.

  32. kevin z says:

    I really like Lindsay I have him in most of my Mock’s has energy for days plus can catch plays ST def a Pats type player. Sony was my fav RB until the fumbling came more into focus so have basically ignored him for awhile. Chubb it would be depending where gets picked if anytime before the 3rd I wouldn’t like it. Think mayb a nice 2 down back then role in our 3rd down back in a hurry up or on 3rd and middle and long downs

  33. kevin z says:

    1st– Lorenzo Carter OLB
    2nd- Brian O’neill OT
    2nd- Mike’ White QB
    2nd Tyquen Lewis DE
    3rd Issaac Yiadom CB good with back to the ball had a excellent DB coach from BC
    4th Fumagalli TE Wis connection Route runner type works hard to be all around TE
    6th – Leon Jacobs LB athletic Wis Connection
    6th- – Ryan Nall as a Hback move weapon less as a RB though has dealt with injuries
    7th – – cb-S Kameron Kelly can play SS role as well Physical player from ST Role

  34. kevin z says:

    If Guice didn’t have a injury History I would want Pats for sure get him need a Corey Dillon type back help grind games out for Brady help Tom last longer.

    • lenny says:

      “a Corey Dillon type back help grind games out…”

      That would be Nick Chubb. I suppose Michel is out of consideration because of the fumbling, but if the Pats are not viewing Burkhead as the third down back and are looking for a Darren Sproles-type there is Philip Lindsay of Colorado. He is small and quick yet PFF ranked him as the second best pass protector among college backs. Someone is going to get a great bargain when he is drafted on Day Three.

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