Building The 2018 Patriots Big Board: Wide Receivers

While the WR class may lack star power, there are talented player that fit what the Patriots look for and what they might need down the road.

NEPD Staff Writer: Mike Gerken

The Patriots have been very active at the Wide Receiver position this offseason. There has been a lot of turnover at the position and fans will have to get to know a bunch of new names and faces while saying goodbye to some very productive veterans. When you look at the group on paper, the position seems pretty crowded with little to know room for a rookie. That has not stopped the Patriots coaching staff from working out some of the top names at the position, so maybe its not as deep as we think, at least for the long term anyway. With that said, here is the current roster and some guys I hope the Patriots target at Wide Receiver.

Position: Wide Receiver

Priority: Medium

Current Roster:

Julian Edelman (age 31, signed through 2019)

Chris Hogan (age 29, signed through 2018)

Malcolm Mitchell (24, signed through 2019)

Jordan Matthews (25, signed though 2018)

Cordarelle Patterson (27, signed through 2018)

Kenny Britt (29, signed through 2018)

Phillip Dorsett (25, signed through 2019)

Riley McCarron (24, signed through 2018)

Cody Hollister (24, signed through 2018)

Matthew Slater (32, signed through 2019)

Position Overview:

As I said above, there are a lot of names currently on the roster at the WR position. If we look closer however, it is a position that could see a lot of turnover again next year. Edelman is getting up in age and coming off a major injury. His role on the team is vital and the team could look to add someone who has a similar skillset to him to groom for the future. Of the nine remaining guys on this list, six of them have contracts that expire after this season and Matthew Slater is a WR in name only at this point in his career. That means that while the position looks crowded, it could potentially clear out quickly. Guys like McCarron and Hollister are going to have to do something special to make the 53 man roster and Mitchell, while talented, must stay healthy or else his career in New England could be over before it really ever started. While this draft class may lack the star power, there are players that fit what the Patriots look for and I could see them using a Day 2 pick on the position if the right guy falls to them.

Prospects With A Draftable Grade:

D.J. Moore, Maryland

While Moore may be a bit undersized for the position, he wants to prove to everyone that smaller receivers can be tough. He has great acceleration at the snap and immediately makes DB’s uncomfortable. He is a smooth mover who maintains his momentum through his cuts, helping him create even more separation. Moore is strong after the catch and forces defenders to take him seriously when tackling him. Moore is also a very good blocker when he is not the target. He is known for his high character and work ethic on and off the field and can be a weapon on special teams as well. He will struggle with contested catches and can struggle with awareness on balls along the sidelines. Overall, Moore looks like a surprisingly physical play maker who should be able to step in right away and make an impact despite not having the size to probably be a true #1 WR in the NFL. Grade: 2nd Round

 

Anthony Miller, Memphis

 

Miller is an excellent route runner who has developed the small nuances needed to get open in the NFL. He does a nice job of selling his fakes with subtle head fakes and shoulder movements. He has excellent hands and has made some really difficult catches look easy. He runs with excellent vision and patience after hauling the ball in and can be a home run threat at any level of the field. Miller is a hard worker, going from walk on to one of the most productive receivers in college football. He was a captain and is known for his excellent work ethic. Miller does not possess any outstanding traits from a physical or athletic standpoint. He can be a bit cavalier with the football and needs to concentrate more on securing the ball. He is coming off a foot injury that has cost him the pre draft workouts. Grade: 2nd Round

 

Christian Kirk, Texas A&M

Kirk is an experienced route runner out of the slot with the movement skills to get defenders off balance. He is explosive at the snap and has good long speed to be a deep threat as well. Kirk has good balance and footwork to make sharp cuts without losing momentum. He shows good vision and explosiveness to take the ball to the house any time he touches it. He is a very good return man as well and should contribute there immediately. Kirk is a smaller receiver who can be bullied off his routes by physical defenders. Does not have great length and ball must be on target for him to make plays. Has said he prefers to play outside, but has very little experience doing so and may fight playing his natural slot position. Grade: 2nd Round

 

Equanimeous St. Brown, Notre Dame

While this class has depth, it really lacks true potential #1 Receivers. One such player who shows the traits to be that type of player is St. Brown. He has ideal height and length with a frame that can continue to get bigger. He shows good burst at the snap for a tall receiver. He is a long strider with easy speed that can catch defenders off guard. He almost looks like he is gliding out on the football field. He is a natural hands catcher and uses his size to high point the ball. His length can get him in trouble against physical corners and he can be knocked off balance and mess up his timing on routes. He does not play as physical as his size would dictate and he will drop passes to avoid the big hit. Tall, but lean. He used his size and speed to get open in college and his route running needs development. He may have some WR diva to him and there has been rumblings of effort issues, but nothing I can confirm. Grade: 2nd/3rd

 

Keke Coutee, Texas Tech

Coutee shows immediate acceleration at the snap getting into defenders quickly. He has excellent start/stop quickness and change of direction to create space. He has excellent footwork to set up his routes and get defenders guessing. Nature hand catcher who can be a threat at all three levels, but most his work was done close to the line of scrimmage. Coutee is smaller in stature, but is tough and will fight through tacklers who aren’t expecting his physicality. He comes from an offensive scheme that didn’t have an extensive route tree and that will need to be developed. Coutee did has some drops in bang bang situations. He has small hands and short arms, so the QB’s ball placement has to be very good for him to be effective. Coutee is one of my favorites as a long term successor to Edelman. Grade: 3rd Round

 

Daesean Hamilton, Penn State

Do you see a theme starting here? Hamilton is another great route runner who has developed footwork and hand use at the snap to create separation quickly. Hamilton does not have elite speed, but uses subtle body movements to get defenders guessing and off balance. Plays with great balance and control to create space between him and the defender. Hamilton does not have elite speed to create separation, but does a great job on contested throws. Hamilton’s hands are inconsistent and does not look like a natural hands catcher. He lacks ideal athletic traits that teams look for. Hamilton is known as a high character guy and if you have not read his story about him and his older brother, I highly recommend you do. Grade: 3rd Round

 

Dante Pettis, Washington

  Pro Day Results:

40 Yard Dash: 4.47 sec

Vertical: 36″

Broad Jump: 10’5″

Bench: 11 reps

Pettis is one of the better route runners in this class, if not the best. He shows great footwork to properly set up defenders and get in and out of his breaks efficiently. He has consistent hands and made his QB look good. Pettis plays with good balance and awareness. Pettis is also one of the more explosive return men and should have immediate success on special teams. Pettis does have a slight frame and does not have great play strength. He gets bullied far too often against physical defenders.Pettis has played through nagging injuries and his frame is a concern from the standpoint of handling the physicality of the NFL. Grade: 3rd round

 

 

Allen Lazard, Iowa State

You didn’t think I was going to do this exercise and not put the one ISU player on here that will be drafted, did you? He deserves to be talked about. He enters the NFL ready from a physical standpoint. He has good height and bulk for the position. He has a large catch radius and soft hands with the ability to consistently make contested catches. He knows how to use his size to box out defenders and give his QB a large target. Shows the ability to high point the ball and will win more 50/50 ball than he loses. He is highly competitive and seems to enjoy blocking. He is high character player and a two time captain. He was highly productive despite questionable QB play throughout this time at ISU. Lazard does not play as fast as his timed speed and lacks burst at the snap. He struggled to create separation in college and he will have to continue to win in other ways in the NFL. He is more of a possession receiver and is not a home run threat. Grade: Top 10….okay maybe a bit later. 4th/5th round

 

Trey Quinn, SMU

While his teammate gets all the national attention, Quinn was quietly one of the most productive Receivers in college football last year. Quinn is a smart player who has a good feel for spacing, finding openings in zones a giving his QB a reliable target. He is an excellent route runner who consistently gets open despite being just an average athlete. Quinn has a high work ethic and attention to detail. He is a very good blocker downfield for his teammates. He has large, reliable hands and plays bigger than his actual size. Quinn is an average athlete with average physical traits. He comes from an offense scheme that got the ball out quickly and his route tree will need developed. Grade: 5th round

 

Richie James, Middle Tennessee

If the Patriots decide to wait until later in the draft to bring in their heir apparent to Edelman, then James should be their guy. As you can see from his athletic testing, he checks all the boxes from a speed and change of direction standpoint. James is a quick twitch athlete that gets to top speed quickly. He plays with an edge to his game and shows great toughness when going over the middle. He uses his speed and his route running ability to get DB’s to bail early, allowing James to work back to the ball for the easy catch. He was a productive special teams player and a team captain. He is obviously undersized and dealt with injuries this year that cost him several games this season, so durability will be a question with him. He will alligator arm some catches and looks to pull up and out of routes from time to time when defenders are barreling down on him. When I first watched James, I immediately thought he was a perfect fit for the Patriots scheme and could be highly productive and a late round steal in the right system. Grade: 5th/6th round

 

Byron Pringle, Kansas State:

Pringle is a very good route runner with excellent body control to adjust to off target throws and haul them in. He is little bigger than some of the other guys I have highlighted, but he still possesses great flexibility to get in and out of breaks quickly. He shows good start/stop ability and did a nice job of sitting down and working back to his QB to create a nice and easy target to hit. He is another player with special teams experience and could be an immediate contributor there. He does have his fair share of drops, which are a concern, but does not seem to be a physical problem. Pringle has had a myriad of off field issues when he was younger and will need to be fully vetted before any team can draft him, but from all accounts, he has matured significantly over the past few years. He is also an older prospect and what you see is what you get with little room for improvement in the areas he needs work. Grade: 7th Round

 

Braxton Berrios, Miami

Pro Day Results:

40 Yard Dash: 4.42 sec

Vertical: 36″

Broad Jump: 10’1″

Short Shuttle: 4.40 sec.

3cone: 6.76 sec.

Berrios to the Patriots might be the most mocked pick of any player to team in this entire draft process and with good reason. He is another small, quick twitch athlete who looks to prove he belongs on every single play. Berrios gives maximum effort on every play and in everything he is asked to do. He is a smart player who does a good job of using head/shoulder fakes and changing up his tempo to confuse DB’s. He is an excellent punt returner, showing toughness, vision and patience to be a true threat on every punt return. Obviously, size is the big knock on Berrios. He is on the shorter size, even for the Patriots and at 184 Lbs with little room to add any more weight, he is light. Being a slot receiver in the NFL is a grueling job, and at his size, injury has to be a concern. He has already dealt with multiple injuries in college. His timed speed does not translate to the tape and is not a deep threat. Grade: 7th round

 

Interesting UDFA’s:

Jaelong Acklin, Western Illinois

Marquez Valdes-Scantling, USF

Ray-Ray McCloud, Clemson

Quadree Henderson, Pittsburgh

Vyncint Smith, Limestone

Robert Foster, Alabama

Teo Redding, Bowling Green

Jonah Trinnaman, BYU

 

Overall Impressions:

This was tough! While in general, this class might not be the strongest in the aspect that it lacks a lot of elite #1 Receiver talent, but this class sets up nicely for what the Patriots look for and need to draft to get ready for the future. I probably have too many names on here as it is and I am sure there are personal favorites of others than are not on here. Like I said about 2500 words ago, on paper, the Patriots look set, but that depth is only a short term solution and I think at some point the Patriots will take a WR, it will just depend on what flavor they like and when they feel the value is too good to pass up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

70 Responses to “Building The 2018 Patriots Big Board: Wide Receivers”

  1. Tristan says:

    7 round mock Patriots
    Round 1 Kolton Miller OT UCLA
    Round 1 Rasheem Green DE/DT USC
    Round 2 BJ Hill DT NC State
    Round 2 Kyle Lauletta QB Richmond
    Round 3 Danny Johnson CB Southern
    Round 6 Joe Ostman DE/OLB Central Michigan
    Round 6 Dylan Cantrell WR Texas Tech
    Round 7 Cam Serigne TE/WR Wake Forest

  2. kevinz says:

    1st:Lorenzo Carter LB
    2nd: Oneill OT
    2nd:Oren Burks LB Rangy smart tough rising ST Value
    2nd Tim Settle DT
    3rd:Darrell Williams RB
    4th Troy Fumagalli TE
    6th:Chad Kanoff QB
    6th: Kameron Kelly Cb S ST Value nfldraft scout high on him in reports
    7th:Josh Kalu FS Rangy tough player ball skills Nfldraftscout high on him as well in reports

  3. BuildforTom says:

    1st – Lorenzo Carter LB
    1st – Brian O’neil OT
    2nd – Dallas Goedert TE
    2nd – Fred Warner LB
    3rd – Darrell Williams RB
    5th – PJ Hall DT
    6th – DJ reed cb
    6th – Ryan Izzo TE
    7th – James Butler RB

  4. lenny says:

    Love seeing this:

    Bill Belichick apparently believes he can unlock Cordarrelle Patterson’s full potential. Patterson, who was traded from the Oakland Raiders to the New England Patriots last month, has been a special teams star during his five-year NFL career but only a sporadic offensive contributor, able to break long gains with his speed and athleticism but lacking consistent production as a receiver or ball-carrier. Belichick hopes to change that. During an appearance Wednesday on NFL Network’s “Good Morning Football,” Patterson recalled the first conversation he had with the Patriots coach after the trade was completed. “He was just telling me, ‘I don’t know what you’ve been through in the past, but we get the job done here,’ ” Patterson said. “‘We’re going to make you the player that you should be.’ ” Shortly after joining the Patriots, Patterson traveled to Foxboro to meet with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who will dictate how often the 27-year-old will have the ball in his hands this season.

    https://nesn.com/2018/04/what-bill-belichick-told-cordarrelle-patterson-after-receivers-trade-to-patriots/

  5. Stephen J says:

    Trade Alert

    First, here’s the actual trade:

    Patriots acquire: Nos. 8 (1,400 points) and No. 105 (84 points) overall = 1,484 points
    Bears acquire: Nos. 23 (760 points), 31 (600 points) and No. 95 (120 points) = 1,480 points
    (see NFL Draft Trade Chart for point values)

    In short, the Patriots give up both firsts and swap Nos. 95 and 105 to move up to eighth overall

    This Suggested Trade Alert brought to you by WalterFootball.com

  6. lenny says:

    Just watched film of Dallas Goederrt and he is extraordinarily agile for a big man. With Gronk’s long-term future uncertain, the Pats could do worse than drafting an ultra-athletic tight end. The downside to Goedert is the huge step-up in competition, but he would have a year to acclimate playing behind Gronkowski.

    Insofar as Guice is concerned, the rumor is that Gage hates Jordan Howard’s deficiencies in the passing game and would part with him for a second round pick. Would you rather spend a first round choice on Guice or acquire Howard for a second?

    Jordan Howard 23 years old

    2016 252-1313 5.2 6 TDS
    2017 276-1122 4.1 9 TDS

  7. kevin z says:

    A Fun Connection draft where BB likes the players backrounds or drafts from or even coached that player before who now coaches. Lately having fun with my mocks it all guess work anyway been racking this brain to the max for 2 months just to be wrong lol

    1st:Darrius Guice RB coached by kevin Faulk
    2nd:Brian Oneill quick feet from playing BBall played lacrosse has the length likes
    2nd:Fred Warner LB BYU Connection van noy and Langi
    2nd:Tyquen Lewis Urban Meyer Connection hopefully works better than at FL
    3rd:Darrell Williams RB coached by kevin faulk
    4th Troy Fumagalli TE Connection to coach who got Flowers Wise from
    6th:Leon Jacobs LB Wis Connection to coach who got Flowers Wise from
    6th:kanoff QB the QB Don Yee connection
    7th:lol drawing a blank haha

    • steve earle says:

      Drawing a blank, how can that be LOL I had the same problem. Stephen J noted one possible prospect. Devante Downs MLB Cal. Went down week 7 (I believe it was) and was highly rated but most are rating him a UDFA because he might not be able to play this year. Heck I’d take a shot on him with our last pick, let him recover on IR this year and see how he is next summer. What the heck could be a real steal.

      • kevin z says:

        lol yea steve owell we all tend to draw blanks at some point. That’s sounds like a good idea that would def be a BB thing to do let him redshirt heal up then ready to go.

      • Dad Downs says:

        He’ll play & BEAST this year, just won’t be completely healed for camp. He will return to elite athlete status.

  8. lenny says:

    Example #465675767, this one courtesy of Reuben Foster:

    No matter how talented a player might be, a franchise will eventually experience great remorse if it does not have the discipline to restrain itself from drafting thugs.

    Foster went berserk at the Combine. With millions of dollars at stake, he still could not control himself. But for one team that bright red flag was totally invisible. The 49ers have been patting themselves on the back ever since for getting a “great value”. So shrewd they were.

    How shrewd are they now?

    Even so, some nimrod is going to draft Antonio Callaway because he is just so damned talented. And such a bargain!

    I hope the Pats maintain their discipline and draft people who can actually obey the law. I am confident they will. Leave the talented sociopaths to the Bengals and the Rams and the Cowboys and the Niners.

  9. kevin z says:

    1st:Mike Hughes CB
    2nd:Rasheem Green DE
    2nd:Brian O’neill OT
    2nd:Josh Sweat DE-LB
    3rd:Darrell Williams RB
    4th Troy Fumagalli TE
    6th:Kanoff QB
    6th:dmitri Flowers fb use as a h-back weapon
    7th:Kameron Kelly CB-S

  10. rob says:

    1st shot at draft

    1)Leighton vander esch LB Boise State

    1)Josh Jackson CB Iowa

    2) trade with K.C. for #54 and #122 Lorenzo Carter OLB Georgia

    2)Mike white QB W. Kentucky

    3)Brian Oneill T Pittsburgh

    4)Mark walton RB Miami

    6)P.J.Hall DT Sam Houston State

    6)Chad Kanoff QB Princeton

    7)Richie James WR Mid. Tenn. State

  11. brandon maxham says:

    mock draft 4/12:

    1st:Mike McGlinchey OT – I’ve seen a few mocks from experts that have him falling here.

    1st:Isaiah Oliver CB

    2nd:Mike White QB

    2nd:Rasheem Green DE-DT

    3rd:Dante Pettis WR

    6th:Troy Fumagalli TE

    6th:Justin Jackson RB

    7th:JaVon Rolland -Jones OLB-DE

  12. kevin z says:

    Time to go back to the early 2000 Pats pound the other team with our offense have brady win it in 4th if need be. Brady need some help rookie WR don’t translate as well as RB’s would.
    This will tire out the other defense while resting our defense which in turn would help it perform better. Building team this way helps Brady plus Young QB’s as well

    1st:Darius Guice Rb
    1st:Ragnow Center or Guard
    2nd:Dorance Armstrong DE-OLB
    2nd:TIm Settle DT
    3rd:Darrell Williams RB insurance for Guice
    6th:Kanoff QB
    6th:dmitri Flowers fb use as a h-back weapon
    7th:Kameron Kelly CB-S

  13. Stephen J says:

    I saw this

    BuckyBrooks Got Prospect Minkah Fitzpatrick just below 2 recent Rd1 prospects Karl Joseph & Keanu Neal. Folks Minkah’s stock has fallen significantly. Jack All Trades… Master of None?

    and this

    Keep in mind though, there is probably not a lot of players who have a higher grade with a chance of being there at 28 than Derrius Guice

    If both players are still there at 23 who do you choose?

    • lenny says:

      There are so many capable backs in this draft that the Patriots’ first round picks should be used to address other issues. Remember that Howard and Hunt and Kamara and Foreman went in the third-fifth rounds, so you don’t draft a back in the first round unless you believe he is really special.

    • Daniel says:

      I think Dimitri Flowers is a versatile pass catching and bruising back that can be had late in the draft (possibly even 6th round) and would represent a far greater value to the team.

      • Stephen J says:

        Flowers has a total of 48 carries and 42 receptions for his career. Not much experience to go on.

  14. Stephen J says:

    Kemoko Turray had a private Pro Day today where he completed drills that he didn’t do at the combine here are his results

    3 Cone 6.84
    Vert 34″
    Broad 9’11”
    20 Shuttle 4.24

  15. Stephen J says:

    The Texas Tech Tandem: Scouting Keke Coutee and Dylan Cantrell

    https://twitter.com/BradKelly17/status/982040294123286528

    It’s not always about Route Running sometimes its knowing how to read Defenses and being able to find the openings then being on the same page as your QB also helps.

  16. macspak says:

    I understand the apparent depth could be a mirage and that could be. I just don’t see it as a top need with so many other priorities and the tendency to get more bang for your buck by signing or trading for veterans. (The track record with rookies developing and contributing to this team is scarce) Matthews, Hogan, Cooks etc. being the latest examples of younger veteran WR’s. Mitchell, Matthews, Britt, Dorsett and a few others are young enough to be more than short term fill ins. Might we spend a late round pick on a WR – sure. A RB too. Other than filling our OT and QB needs I trust this draft will be devoted to fixing the D.

    • Stephen J says:

      Cooks and his 1122 yards of production is already gone. So it won’t be him.

      • macspak says:

        but a great example of a veteran obtained via a trade who far exceeded any contribution any rookie would have made

    • Daniel says:

      I agree. I don’t see WR as a pressing need. I agree on the priorities being tackle and defensive depth.

      However, I think the Pats should only invest in QB if they see a potential player to inherit the throne from Brady in a few years. If that guy isn’t in this draft then I would like them to expend the draft capital in more immediately useful ways and consider signing a cheap option like former Heisman winner Manziel. He could be better than any non first round QB in this years draft right out the gate, in my opinion.

      • macspak says:

        I agree, you don’t reach early if you do not think you have the heir apparent. At that point you pick a QB later in the draft and hope.

        Not a Johnny M fan though taking a training camp flyer on him can’t hurt.

        • steve earle says:

          Your right about the QB imo. I have mocked Lauletta because from what I read he sounds like a viable fit. But no one is going to be another TB make no mistake, just think Lauletta could be a good NFL QB. Also I do not see Manzell as better then all the QB prospects in this draft but as you say a flyer on him might not hurt.

    • steve earle says:

      Largely agree this should be a def draft as you describe. With a stout def that keeps the other teams under 20 points the missing 1122 yards from Cooks will not be as big a deal. OT and maybe QB earlier then 4th only imo.

  17. brandon maxham says:

    mock draft 4/11: 2 of 2

    1st:Lorenzo Carter OLB

    1st:Isaiah Oliver CB

    2nd:Christian Kirk WR

    2nd:Fred Warner OLB-ILB

    3rd:Brandon Parker OT

    6th:Chase Edmonds RB

    6th:Nic Shimonek QB

    7th:Tavarious Moore S

  18. Stephen J says:

    Off Twitter from Marcus Mosher

    # of solo tackles during college career:

    N. Suh – 125

    A. Donald – 115

    V. Vea – 65

    H. Phillips – 62

    T. Bryan – 30

  19. Stephen J says:

    We all know how BB and Company like to draft ahead well I just came across one player they maybe looking to replace and that’s Kyle Van Noy.

    Here is his contract

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/kyle-van-noy-14449/

    Notice that in 2019 the Pats will be able to save 5.25 million by cutting/releasing Van Noy

    Now that in and of itself doesn’t mean much but when the Patriots have been linked to several players similar to Kyle such as this

    http://zestynews.com/post/573845/report-patriots-showing-heavy-interest-in-cals-devante-downs?utm_source=zesty_patriots&utm_medium=Zesty-Twitter

    Then that starts getting more of my attention.

    • steve earle says:

      Good thought Stephen I’m interested anyway. Always like sleepers to consider though Downs might not be that big a secret from reading your source. Still if his knee injury brings him down to a late day three I would be open to drafting him. Would like more info on the injury which I intend to try to look up. Let you know if I find anything.

    • Stephen J says:

      This is where I check out not the player mentioned but the player possibly being replaced that being Kyle Van Noy.

      1st Here is his college stats

      https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/kyle-van-noy-1.html#defense::none

      2nd here is his combine/pro day results

      http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89826&draftyear=2014&genpos=OLB

      I then start looking at which players in the draft are similar in both traits.

      • Stephen J says:

        Example 1

        Genard Avery

        College Stats

        https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/genard-avery-1.html

        Combine Pro Day

        http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1006782&draftyear=2018&genpos=ILB

        Notice the Stats are similar then the athletic aspect Avery is definitely more athletic and is about the same weight but is shorter. Will his height eliminate him maybe maybe not but it is someone I’d have my draft board.

      • Stephen J says:

        Example 2

        Devante Downs College Stats

        https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/devante-downs-1.html

        Devante Downs Pro Day

        http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=131081&draftyear=2018&genpos=ILB

        Now I chose Downs for several reasons. 1st the apparent interest. 2ndly How I compare someone who went down with an injury which makes stats unequal to others.

        Lets tackle the stats and start with Solo Tackles in 2017. For what ever reason the Pats love players who have a high Solo tackle output. Of course its not the only thing but its a very common thing that I’ve come across. Since Devante only played in 7 games to make it a better comparison lets break it down.
        Devante made 36 Solo tackles in 7 games 36/7 = 5.142 * 13 = 66.86 Where Kyles best college year with 13 games was 50. Now you could also take Kyle’s greatest year of 50 and divide it by 13 which is 3.84 Solo Tackles per game. Although not an exact science it gives me a rough idea comparison.
        Now that stat is impressive but as you look at the others doesn’t seem nearly as impressive or similar. So sometimes you have to look behind the stats. Here are some other things that I have come across. He Led all LB’s that are draft eligible in tackling efficiency with a score of 13.2 and Tremaine Edmunds in 2nd at 13.0 Then PFF said this On a per snap basis, no Pac-12 ILB rushed the passer more productively than Cal’s Devante Downs did in 2017. He was also the highest graded Cal defensive player in 2016. As I wrote on March 20th on nepatriotsdraft.com in the Quentin Meeks Scouting Report he has this knack for forcing turnovers and is apparently a great special teams player.
        Being that he is recovering from knee injury his Pro Day doesn’t provide much other than Height Weight and Bench which all are similar to Kyle Van Noy. So its an incomplete check.
        One other thing is this. Before his injury he was in the running for Pac 12 Player of the year.

        Now while he may not be on the top of my list mainly due to his injury unknowns and incomplete history. At least I know who he is if the Pats do pull that rabbit out of the hat and select him.

    • steve earle says:

      Well after looking for awhile it doesn’t appear there is any interest in providing any progress reports on Devante Downs injury. However I did learn more about him and expect teams will know prior to the draft. Just on what we did know I’d be good with drafting him with one of our sixths even if he had to be IR’ed for a year.

  20. TommyG says:

    I do not think Pats need to take either a LT or QB early or at all this draft. As far as QB is concerned I don’t understand why people are so adamant on showing TB the door. I think people are caught up more with age rather than performance. Can you honestly see the need for a new QB if you didn’t know he is 41?.

    Brady had probably what was he his best year since 2007 minus the fact that he was missing his most important receiver. Brady’s QB style and the system that Pats runs is dependent on timing, accuracy, and decision making. All of which shouldn’t be effected by age unless Brady is becoming senile. Age in regards to QB effects arm strength and TB has never had a big arm. TB can play at average if not high level if he is surrounded by both good weapons (good running game) and a good oline which leads me to the second point.

    I get the fact that people are panicking because Pats lost Solider but honestly Solder was an average LT that majority of people complained about. I really do not see that much of a drop off with Waddle. He just needs to stay healthy. The Pats also have some in house options the best being Antonio Garcia. Pats tradeed up to get this guy who was compared to Solder. He has been cleared medically and I believe that he will make weight by training camp. Aside from McGlinchey is there one prospect in the draft that knock your socks off. Majority of the round 1 tackles are no different from Round 2 or 3 prospects. Also if you really look at the problem with the Pats OL is more the interior part then the tackles. Andrews is under sized and gets overpowered. Brady does a great job stepping up in the pocket when he gets pressured on the edge but if he can’t move up the middle he has issues. Thuney has issues as well and while Mason is the best of the interior lineman he too can get overpowered as witness by him giving up the strip sack in Super Bowl.

    The Pats are in prime position with two first and seconds to really fix the team for both the present and the future. Defense is biggest is issue as they need more speed and athleticism at DT,Edge, and LB. The Defense need a more talent as they have enough depth players. I think they need to address those three positions along with IOL and RB. I would focus on QB next year as they can package comp picks to move up to get a QB.

    • kevan says:

      I have to admit, I freaked out over the LT position but I’ve come off the ledge a little bit. The idea of drafting a qb for me, isn’t really the need part but the value of getting someone in here to learn from brady while he is still playing. Jimmy G got the brady rub, he got alot better because he had the perfect example to follow. No matter how good coaching is, having someone play that out for you day in and day out in practice is just such an advantageous learning tool. So not a need per say but with the value of the position it might as well be. If the ideal qb of the future is in this crop you can give that player atleast 2 years of valuable and incalculable teaching and training.

      • lenny says:

        Justis Mosqueda is a draft analyst who relies heavily on historical comparisons of combine drills to project success. For example, last year he cited the three cone drill and other agility metrics in stating that players like Shaquill Griffin and Xavier Woods and Chase Roullier were being undervalued because their quickness numbers compared favorably with players at their positions who had excelled in the NFL. I am unaware of anyone who did a better job of analyzing the draft. This year, Mosqueda is pounding the table for Brian O’Neill and Joseph Noteboom, each of whom played left tackle in college. If the high profile mocks are reasonably accurate, O’Neill will go in the second/.third round and Noteboom third/fourth.

        “Andrews is under sized and gets overpowered”

        Ragnow. Price. Daniels. Clapp. Corbett. This is a good draft if you need a center.

    • macspak says:

      I’m not aware of anybody advocating or trying to push Brady out the door. Drafting his replacement now is common sense and dealing with reality. Age will catch up to TB regardless of the type of passing game he excels in. The reason you draft a QB this year, (Jackson being absolutely the best example) and likely next and the next and the next, is to groom TB’s replacement so that when he leaves his replacement is in place to step in and take over. You don’t wait until he retires before drafting his successor.

      As for OT. Yes, some on board possibilities but none that project as elite. Even drafting an OT who has greater potential doesn’t mean they will step in and start at any point this year. They may but again it is a longer range plan. I was no fan of Solders and am absolutely mind boggled that he now is the highest paid OL in the NFL. What were the NYG’s thinking? I think that team and their fans are in for a quick rude awakening this year. Regardless of who plays LT I think you will see a lot of TE’s, extra OT’s, and RB’s giving LT support.

      Another long term concern is RG. Doubt they are able to extend Mason. Almost guaranteed an interior OL will be drafted this year. Wonder how good Karras can be. Most here don’t understand the Karras blood line. Alex Karras was one of the greatest and meanest DT to ever play this game.

      • TommyG says:

        It’s all over the radio and sports networks. I get think the idea of drafting a successor but I would not waste the premium picks Pats have in the two rounds on someone who will not contribute anything for the next four years. Draft young players who can help now. Pats could win two to three more titles and still be set up to win in the future.

        • steve earle says:

          With respect I disagree about the LT not being very important this year. There is the possibility even a perineum pick on the position will not see that pick playing this year. I’m not overly concerned because first our depth there is anything but overwhelming. Second giving that pick a year of being coached by Scar in his system and taking some sub package snaps during the season will create a far better 2nd year player/starter. Given the importance of the position I’d be very much in favor of doing so if the right prospect becomes available.

        • macspak says:

          another good reason to not listen to sports talk radio, which is dominated by morons and blowhards and hosts who care about nothing but shock and ratings

        • TommyG says:

          If we get a Qb and OT in mid rounds I’m all for it but not in the first two rounds. The dream scenario for me would be following:

          23 Harold Landry (Hope he faills)
          31- Rashaan Evans (Might have to trade up)
          43- Trade down a couple of spots pick up a fourth rounder draft TE Hurst Goedert Penn State TE
          63- Trade our pick up 3rd and 4th
          3rd round- Draft Frank Ragnow (Center) QB Mike White Luke Faulk
          4th round- RB and Guard

  21. kevin z says:

    1st:Darius Guice RB BB Picked Maroney in the 1st so chance will pick RB here
    2nd:Ragsnow G-C nasty tough player can rotate on the line
    2nd:Fred Warner LB Cover player but showed was tough playing Will at Senior Bowl
    2nd Tyquen Lewis DE Tough player does his Job type player
    3rd:Darrell Williams RB insurance for Guice LSU tandem together again
    4th Troy Fumagalli TE wis connection plus Tough player Good Route Runner
    6th:Chad Kanoff QB
    6th:Kameron Kelly Cb-SS versatile player played ST could play Chung type role as well physical player will play where needed type
    7th:Josh Kalu FS Rangy tough player

  22. lenny says:

    When Patterson was at Tennessee, one analyst noted that his pro career would be dependent upon having an offensive coordinator who was highly creative because while Cordarrelle is a spectacular open field runner his hands are mediocre/he cannot run routes/he has trouble sticking to the playbook. In other words, if he was pigeonholed as a wide receiver or a running back he would fail. That is exactly what happened in Minnesota and Oakland. If past is prologue, Belichick will find a way to use this unique talent because BB is so secure in his job that he does not have to adhere to the common wisdom. Belichick can utilize Patterson in highly unusual ways without fearing that he will be ridiculed or fired for being unconventional. I envision Patterson lining up all over the field and being fed the ball in situations where if he beats one defender there will be a big gain. Perfect landing spot for Cordarrelle, and the Pats got him cheap. Shelton was also an amazing steal. This is likely to be an especially good season for the Patriots.

    • steve earle says:

      The obvious immediate contributions look to be as a returner but I agree with the idea that he can be effective with the many “trick” plays we use. Every time he lines up from scrimmage he will mess with the minds of a def.

      • Daniel says:

        Seems like route running and good hands are skill-based attributes, i.e. things that can be improved upon with the successful combination of skilled coaches and motivated receivers.

        What can’t be taught to a receiver, such as height, speed and overall athletic prowess, Patterson seems to have amply.

        I suspect he will be utilized effectively in a myriad of situations. That is if he makes the 53 roster.

      • Daniel says:

        Seems like route running and good hands are skill-based attributes, i.e. things that can be improved upon with the successful combination of skilled coaches and motivated receivers.
        What can’t be taught to a receiver, such as height, speed and overall athletic prowess, Patterson seems to have amply. I suspect he will be utilized effectively in a myriad of situations. That is if he makes the 53 roster.

        • macspak says:

          good hands – hand/eye coordination – are a gift and after a certain point only room for minimal improvement through practice and coaching.

        • Daniel says:

          Good point, and well taken. I honestly never thought about it being an inheritable trait, but coordination seems to be.

          Another way of looking at it might be to ask how such a highly touted receiver in college not really be a good receiver. Then again, Tebow wasn’t nearly as effective as a pro QB, despite being an all time collegiate QB legend.

        • steve earle says:

          I’m only going to hold the coats on this argument because it will be settled on the field not here. Still think he is a good pickup who’s going to make some impact. How much ???

  23. Daniel says:

    I have mentioned it before, but I really think Michael Floyd, who was drafted 13th overall and has been used sparingly for the past couple of years, could contribute mightily to Patriots future plans for a very low price tag.

  24. lenny says:

    Moore is spectacular with the ball in his hands, at least as good as the elite running backs in the draft, but how consistently can he get open against pro dbs? With a creative offensive coordinator he can be extremely productive, but let’s hope he does not get drafted by one of those guys who thought Cordarrelle Patterson is best utilized as a traditional wide out.

    Miller’s profile reads like the draft analysis of Jerry Rice. Doubtlessly an overreach, but he should be good. Kirk is constantly compared to Golden Tate, who is solid. Coutee is electric but do you want to draft a college receiver who cannot yet run routes? High risk/high reward. Hamilton is the opposite, athletically challenged but so polished. Can we somehow meld James Washington and Hamilton?

    My guy for the Patriots is Pettis. Nine punt returns for TDs and so elusive running routes. He does look fragile, but played in 52 games for the Huskies. He will be an improvement on Amendola.

    • Daniel says:

      Good insight and information. Personally, I am excited to see what Cordarelle Patterson can do in our offense. The Pats have used gimmick plays effectively, in limited application, in the past several post season runs.

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