Building The 2018 Patriots Big Board: Corners and Safeties

 

NEPD Staff Writer: Mike Gerken

Well, we did it. We made it to the last group for the big board series. I hope you have enjoyed reading these as much as I have enjoyed watching the film and preparing these for you. As I have stated in year’s past, Safety is not my favorite group to scout. When you do not have all 22 tape on these guys, it can be a real challenge to see everything you want out of these prospects. Add that to the fact that it is hard to know what the Patriots look for in Safeties. Clearly it is not all about physical and athletic traits and more about mental processing, because that is the only explanation for some of the picks the team has made at the position. I would argue, those picks have not worked out and hopefully the next time they do take a Safety, there process will have changed a bit. As for Corner, it’s another position where what I like and what the team looks for may be to different things. Anyways, these are the guys I like at both positions and in theory would be good fits for the Patriots.

Position(s): Cornerback and Safety

Priority: Medium (Corner), Medium (Safety)

Current Roster:

Corners:

Stephon Gilmore (age 27, signed through 2021)

Eric Rowe (age 25, signed through 2018)

Jason McCourty (age 30, signed through 2018)

Jonathan Jones (age 24, signed through 2018)

Ryan Lewis (age 24, signed through 2018)

Cyrus Jones (age 24, signed through 2019)

Damarius Travis (age 23, signed through 2018)

Jomal Wiltz (age 23, signed through 2018)

Safeties:

Devin McCourty (age 30, signed through 2019)

Patrick Chung (age 30, signed through 2020)

Duron Harmon (age 27, signed through 2020)

Jordan Richards (age 25, signed through 2018)

David Jones (age 24, signed through 2018)

Brandon King (age 24, signed through 2019)

Nate Ebner (age 28, signed through 2019)

 

Position Overview:

Lets start with Corner. Obviously Gilmore is locked in as the teams #1, but after losing Butler to free agency, the #2 spot is up for grabs. I think, at least for the short term, the team will be fine with McCourty and Rowe manning the #2 and #3 spots, but both are on the last year of their deals and McCourty is 30. We don’t know what we have in Cyrus Jones as a Corner, but what we saw in limited reps was not good. Jonathan Jones showed flashes, but he will be coming off an injury. Rumors are the team is high on Ryan Lewis, so we shall see if he has developed into a contributor. Even with the names on this list, I could still see the Patriots looking at Corner early in the draft.

As for the Safety position, the team has made some interesting picks that have not exactly worked out as I am sure they hoped. McCourty is a solid FS but he is getting up in age, same goes for Chung. Harmon has been okay, while I am still surprised that Richards is on this team. I have high hopes for David Jones and I hope he can stay healthy enough to show us what he can do. Again, I think if the right guy falls to them, the Patriots could add another guy to the mix.

 

Corners With A Draftable Grade:

Jaire Alexander, Louisville

Alexander is one of my favorite players in this draft. He is a smooth athlete with excellent change of direction skills. He can plant is foot in the ground and work back towards the ball quickly. He is a smart player that does a great job mirroring receivers throughout their routes. He has experience in both off and man coverage and looks comfortable in both, giving him excellent versatility to play in any scheme at multiple positions.  He shows good ball skills with playmaker upside. He will come up and tackle, not shying away from contact. He has the potential to be a dynamic punt returner the instant he comes into the NFL. The main concern with Alexander is his size. He does not have the desired height and length at the position and he will lose jump balls to bigger receivers. He is a bit of a gambler and tries for the turnover rather than making the right play. Injury history is a concern and has tape from last year was not on par with his 2016 tape. If he can regain his 2016 form, he will be an upper tier Corner in the NFL. Grade: 1st Round

 

Isaiah Oliver, Colorado

I wrote up Oliver very early in the process, but not much has change from then until now. Here is that scouting report.  One quick note that I didn’t really talk about in my original report was his special teams, which he has experience with and should be able to contribute to right away. Grade: 1st/2nd Round

 

Mike Hughes, UCF

In a similar mold to Alexander in that he does not have ideal size, but he is a smooth mover that plays much bigger than his size would indicate. Hughes is smooth in his back pedal and flips his hips with ease, showing the ability to turn and run with receivers. He is very physical with receivers at the snap, with the ability to knock them off their desired path. He plays with good balance and is willing to come up and make tackles in the open field. He is a playmaker with the ball in his hands, be it on special teams or after a turnover. Hughes has the ability to locate the ball and make plays on it without losing his momentum or balance in coverage. Like I said above, size is the main issue with him. He looks better as a man corner, but can play in off as well, but his footwork needs work. He looks to make the big hit rather than wrapping up the ball carrier, which led to some missed tackles. He has some off field baggage that could be a concern. Grade: 1st/2nd Round

 

Isaac Yiadom, Boston College

Yiadom is a long, lean Corner with long arms and a smooth back pedal. He is one of the better CB’s I watched in press coverage this year. He does a nice job of bumping receivers without being overly aggressive. He can turn and run with outside receivers despite a slower than expected 40 time. He sticks on Receiver’s hip throughout the routes and has the movement skills to change direction with ease. Yiadom is a willing participant is run support and shows no sign of hesitation when taking on blockers. Yiadom is lanky and can be overpowered by stronger Receivers. Despite his coverage skills, he did not have a lot of production. He does not have soft hands and missed a lot of opportunites to make plays. He needs work in off coverage from a footwork standpoint. Overall, I was really impressed with Yiadom. He looks the part of an outside corner. He needs to continue to add bulk, but he has the swagger and toughness needed to play outside in the NFL. Grade: 2nd/3rd Round

 

Anthony Averett, Alabama

Averett has good size for the position with great speed. He is an aggressive player who can move receivers off their routes. Has loose hips to turn and run easily with speedy receivers. He is a tough player who has no problem mixing it up close to the line of scrimmage and is very good in run support. He does a nice job of disguising and timing his blitzes well. He is a smart player with the ability to read and react to plays quickly. Averett has decent height, but still loses his fair share of jump balls. He does not have great hands as far as creating turnovers is concerned. He is too aggressive at times and could see a lot of flags thrown his way if he doesn’t clean that up. He is willing to give up too many underneath routes to ensure not getting beat deep. Grade: 3rd round

Duke Dawson, Florida

Dawson is a really smooth athlete with good change of direction. He has a smooth backpedal and and fluid hips to turn and run without loss of momentum. He is a tough player who fights through blocks and is willing to come up and make tackles. He has lots of experience at multiple positions. He gets on the hip of receivers and stays with them throughout the route. He has playmaker ability with the ball in his hand, returning 3 interceptions for touchdowns. His timed speed was faster than how fast he played on tape and there were times WR’s got past him. He is another CB with less than ideal physical traits. His ultimate role in NFL might be inside. Grade: 3rd Round

 

M.J. Stewart, North Carolina

Stewart is a physical corner with experience in both man and zone coverage. He could play a variety of positions including inside and outside at Corner as well as at Safety. He does a nice job at the line of scrimmage to knock receivers around and throw their timing off. He is also a solid tackler who has no issues taking on blockers, coming up and making tackles. He shows the quickness and change of direction skills to hang with shifty Receivers from the slot. He is a smart player that locates the ball well and gets his hands on a lot of balls. Stewart is very physical and aggressive, but that isn’t always a good thing. He is way too grabby and will be a penalty machine if he doesn’t clean it up. Size and long speed are an issue when he plays on the outside. He locates the ball well, but just does not have the turnover production you would expect. He was involved in an off field issue that got him a two game suspension in 2015. Grade: 3rd/4th round

 

 

Quenton Meeks, Stanford

Meeks is a bigger corner that has the length to get physcial with Receivers at the line of scrimmage. He easily pushes Receivers off their routes, upsetting the timing between them and their QB. He seems to see things quickly and react without hesitation. Smart, with great instincts (duh…Stanford and son of coach) He is strong in run support, using his size and strength to fight through blocks. He plays with a high motor and is a high character guy. Meeks does not play up to his athletic profile. He does not transition as smoothly as his testing would indicate and does not show the same long speed on tape either. He tends to get off balance when transitioning his weight when changing direction. He might be better off with a move to Safety. Grade: 4th Round

 

D.J. Reed, Kansas State

This class is really strong in terms of nickel/slot corners and D.J. Reed is right up there. He is even smaller than the guys I mentioned ahead of him, but he more than makes up for it with his elite quickness and change of direction skills. He is very fluid in his movements with the ability to flow with a receiver through their breaks. He is tenacious in all aspects of the game and does not let his size be an excuse. Reed looks comfortable in both man and zone concepts and relies on his instincts and footwork to stick with Receivers. He brings potential as both a kick off and punt returner. Reed is small and does not have elite speed, which is never a good combination. There won’t be many Receivers he goes up against that are going to be smaller than him and he will have struggles in contested situations. He plays physical to make up for his lack of size, but that leads to penalties. I think Reed has the athleticism to play in the slot and hold his own as well as a special teams ace for whichever team drafts him. Grade: 4th round

 

Greg Stroman, Virginia Tech

There is just something about Virginia Tech Corners that always seems to catch my eye. They are well coached and seem to do all the little things right. Stroman is a quick twitch athlete can change direction in an instant. He is smooth in his backpedal and is seamless in his transitions. He is a smart player that reads routes quickly and gets to the ball. He is a playmaker with a whopping 36 passes defensed and 9 career interceptions. He plays under control, timing his jumps to win 50/50 balls.Stroman also has experience as a punt returner and a kick off returner.  Stroman has a slight frame and may be maxed out physically. He gives effort in run support, but can be bullied out of plays because he lacks the strength to win at the point of attack. Overall, I love his ability to mirror Receivers and is a natural playmaker despite his lack of size. Grade: 4th/5th Round

 

Kevin Tolliver, LSU

LSU is another school I look to when I am looking for Corners. This year it is Tolliver. He has prototypical size for the position. He is well built and uses his size and physicality to knock Receivers off their routes. He has experience in both press and off man coverage. He shows the ability to plant his foot and drive towards Receivers. He uses his long arms to get his hands on the ball. He has the athletic ability to run with receivers and the size to win in contested situations. He is aggressive in coverage, sometimes too aggressive. His long speed can be taken advantage of by elite Receivers. He struggles to keep up with Receivers if he doesn’t get a good hit on them at the snap. His effort in run support is suspect and he doesn’t always play up to his size. He has a laundry list of off field and injury related issues and never was able to find consistency in his game due to time missed. His attitude and effort have been questioned in the past. Tolliver is a later round lottery ticket. He has all the physical and athletic traits to be a very good player in the NFL, but he needs to put in the effort and keep his head on straight to reach his true potential. Grade: 6th Round

Tremon Smith, Central Arkansas

Pro Day Results:

Height: 5’10”

Weight: 192 Lbs.

Arm Length: 31 3/8″

Hand Size: 9 3/8″

40 Yard Dash: 4.32 sec.

Vertical: 34″

Broad Jump: 10’04”

Short Shuttle: 4.01 sec.

Bench: 15 reps

I won’t lie, I was late to the party on Smith and only watched his film after seeing he had a private workout with the Patriots. I see why they are interested in him. He is an explosive athlete with amazing top end speed to stick with Receivers downfield. He exudes confidence on every single play and backed it up with insane production (53 Passes defended and 15 Ints) He shows excellent burst to come back quickly towards the ball. He anticipates throws and locates the ball in the air quickly. He has the potential to be a very good player on special teams as well. Smith is a willing participant in run support. He has a lean frame and can get overmatched physically. He peeks into the backfield a lot and will lose his responsibility in coverage. He is very aggressive and QB’s can take advantage of that with double moves. He has adequate change of direction, but allowed more separation through breaks that you would expect with his athletic skill set. His play speed was excellent for the level of competition he played at, but he has to continue to improve his mental processing speed to do everything just a little bit quicker to hold up in the NFL. Grade: 6th/7th round

 

Michael Joseph, Dubuque

I never would have guessed a player from Dubuque would be an NFL prospect. I grew up less than 30 miles from the school and never even knew they had a football team. Joseph deserves a shot though as he has some NFL traits. He has the size to play at the next level and he moves really well. He has excellent change of direction skills. He plays physical and does not shy away from contact. He had insane production even for a Div III player. He has some experience in the kicking game. Obviously he will be making a huge jump in competition and will need some time to adjust to the complexities of guarding NFL Receivers. He does not have elite long speed. He was able to get away with some bad footwork and technique at the lower level, but has to clean up those areas to have a chance to stay in the NFL. He is a developmental prospect with great ball skills who could contribute on special teams until he is ready for a role on defense. Grade: 6th/7th Round

 

Interesting UDFA Prospects:

Mike Ford, SE Missouri State

Jordan Thomas, Oklahoma

 

Safeties With A Draftable Grade:

Justin Reid, Stanford

If you have ever heard Reid speak, then you know why he is on this list. He is a guy that Belichick will absolutely fall in love with because of his on field intelligence. What is good about Reid though is that he can actually play the position, unlike some of the other “smart” Safeties that the Patriots have drafted early. He is an elite athlete for the position with above average size. He reads and reacts quickly, putting himself in correct position in both the run and pass game. He has the quickness to get around blocks but also the strength and hand use to fight through them. He is a solid tackler. Reid is a coach on the field and has experience at every single position in the secondary, making him a true chess piece and a player you can rely on to make plays and not be a liability from day 1. His footwork is sloppy, which makes him play slower than his testing would indicate he should be playing at. His eyes are always in the backfield and he will lose track of his coverage responsibility. He is over aggressive and can be fooled by double moves. He is most certainly going to be on the Patriots radar because of his instincts and smarts. Grade: 2nd Round

 

Ronnie Harrison, Alabama

Harrison embodies the Safety position. He is powerfully built and plays with great strength. He has an intimidation factor to him and he backs it up with his physical play and hard hitting mentality. He has really good size with ideal length for the position. He has good straight line speed to get all over the field and make plays. He is a really smart player that gets from point A to point B efficiently. He was highly productive and known as a leader on a star studded defensive unit. Has the size to come down into the box to take on blockers and be effective in run support. He times his blitzes well and can create havoc in the backfield when asked to do so. Harrison is more of a strong safety type that struggles to change direction. He is a bit stiff and can get lost in coverage. He is very aggressive and that can backfire on him, both in coverage and in his tackling. He has such a great combination of strength and athleticism, plus a mentality that Belichick will absolutely love. He would be a great long term replacement plan for Patrick Chung. Grade: 2nd Round

 

Rashaan Gaulden, Tennessee

Gaulden is a versatile player who has experience all over the secondary. While he lacks ideal measurements, he plays much bigger and faster that his testing would indicate. He has a tenacious energy to him that seems contagious. He is a very sound tackler who seems to enjoy mixing it up in all facets of the game. He has the change of direction ability to play the nickel. He showed good timing on his blitzes, forcing the QB into hurried decisions. He was a team captain and was known for his work ethic. Like I said above, he is bit undersized and needs to continue to add bulk to his frame. He is overaggressive at times and will over pursue ball carriers. He is an emotional player that will get frustrated and it has affected his play in the past. Gaulden is always around the ball, but does not have great turnover production. He missed the 2015 season due to injury. Overall, I love his attitude, his play mentality, and his position flexibility. Grade: 2nd/3rd Round

 

Tarvarius Moore, Southern Mississippi

Pro Day Results:

Height: 6’0″

Weight: 199 Lbs.

Arm Length: 33″

40 Yard Dash: 4.32 sec.

Vertical: 39.5″

Broad Jump: 11’02”

3cone: 6.89 sec.

Obviously his pro day results turned a lot of heads, but his tape is just as intriguing. He covers a lot of ground quickly with great change of direction and the ability to plant his foot and come back towards the ball. He looks smooth moving in all directions. He is highly aggressive and is not afraid to come up and make a hit on the ball carrier. He has the speed and agility to hang with slot receivers and can probably play nickel or free safety at the next level. He recognizes formations and reacts quickly to what he sees.  Moore needs to continue to develop his frame and get stronger to hold up against NFL talent. His over aggressive nature can get the best of him at times and needs to play with better control and balance.  Grade: 3rd Round

 

Dane Cruikshank, Arizona

Cruikshank has an excellent combination of size and speed. He has excellent burst with the ability to cover a ton of space in a short amount of time. He looks to make the big hit on every play. He has the ability to mirror receivers through their breaks because of his ability to change directions quickly. He has the athletic makeup to play man coverage but is also comfortable in zone. He has a non stop motor and competes on every snap. He was a team captain and was known as a team leader. Cruikshank looks much stronger with his eyes towards the line of scrimmage. He is stiff in his transitions and will panic when his back is turned away from the ball. He is overly aggressive and had his fair share of penalties. Overall, I love his speed and mental makeup for the position. He runs like a corner, but he has the physical nature of a strong safety. Grade: 3rd Round

 

Siran Neal, Jacksonville State

Neal is a small school prospect that has position versatility due to his size and athleticism. He saw action at Safety, Corner, and even Linebacker. He is a physical player both in the run and pass game. He is not shy when it come to tackling and playing the run. Neal seems more comfortable coming forward rather than in reverse. He is stiff in his transitions and allows too much space in man coverage. He will panic at times in coverage and has to clean up the penalties. Grade: 5th/6th Round

Trayvon Henderson, Hawaii

Pro Day Results:

Height: 6’0″

Weight: 208 Lbs

Arm Length: 31 3/4″

40 Yard Dash: 4.58 sec

Vertical: 39.5″

Broad Jump: 10’04”

3cone: 6.88 sec.

Short Shuttle: 4.15 sec.

Henderson is a smart player who identifies passing lanes and gets himself between the QB and the Receiver. He shows good hands (22 passes defended and 9 INTs) He has good size for the position and plays with a smooth backpedal and the ability to plant and drive towards the ball. He shows the ability to come up quickly and make plays in the run game (18 TFL). He was highly productive and has special teams experience. Henderson was a team captain with a lot of experience. He does get caught peeking in the backfield and can be manipulated by QB’s. He does not have the pop when he tackles that you want to see from a Safety. He struggles to keep up with speedy receivers deep downfield. Grade: 6th Round

 

Interesting UDFA’s:

Godwin Igwebuike, Northwestern

Kamari Cotton-Moya, Iowa State

 

Overall Impressions:

I have stated in the past that Safety is not my strong suit. I find myself watching players and knowing I don’t like them rather than finding players I do like. It is something I vow to get better at. I did find some guys I really like this year and I think there is some potential for long term replacements for the Patriots at both Safety positions. Same goes for Corners. This class seems really loaded with smaller guys who can play the nickel. Personally, I would expect to take a Corner over Safety, but I think it is wise to draft a Corner every year.

Well….that’s it. We made it. Another year of the Scouting Series in the books. At times, it gets frustrating and long, but it truly is a labor of love and I hope that comes through in the work we do here. This is not it however. I still have more content to get to you, so buckle up. Hopefully, by the time the draft reaches us, you will feel prepared enough to talk about each and every draft pick the Patriots make.

 

 

 

42 Responses to “Building The 2018 Patriots Big Board: Corners and Safeties”

  1. kevinz says:

    1st:Harold Landry DE or Lorenzo Carter LB-DE
    2nd: OGbonnia Okoronkwo LB-DE
    2nd: Brian O’neill OT
    2nd:Dorian O’daniel Box saf
    3rd:Royce Freeman RB
    4th:Leon Jacobs LB coverage
    5th:Chad Kanoff QB
    6th:Allen LazardWR
    6th:Justin lawler DE
    7th:Phillip Lindsay RB

  2. Stephen J says:

    I posted this last week but it fits in this section

    Corner Backs and The Patriots

    I went back and looked at the Patriots and their CB’s from over the years. One consistent theme with the Patriots and CB’s seem to be they draft and bring in Undrafted Free Agents that have high amount of solo tackles in a season and/or a high amount of career solo tackles along with a high amount of PBU’s. Then it’s combined with a very good to elite athletic measurement usually 3 cone and 20 shuttle but can be an elite broad vert or 40. As you will see it is usually both on field production of Solo Tackles and PBU’s plus a very good to elite athletic measurement. By no means am I saying this is the only things they look at but it is something that each of the players have had through out the years.

    Malcolm Butler West Alabama
    Solo Tackles…PBU
    2012…37……15
    2013…33……18
    Total…70…….33

    Jonathan Jones Auburn
    Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
    2015…45……..13…4.33….7.25….4.25…………..36″….10’3″(123″)
    Career..87…..24

    Kenny Moore Valdosta State
    Solo Tackles….PBU….40…3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
    2016…45………13……4.49…6.86…….4.13………..40.5″…10’6″(126″)
    Career..117…..30

    Darius Butler UConn
    Solo Tackles….PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert…Broad
    Career…125….22….4.53….6.92……4.18……….43″….11’2″(134″)

    Logan Ryan Rutgers
    Solo Tackles….PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle
    2012…..59…..17…..4.56…6.69……4.06
    Career…111….25

    Alfonzo Dennard Nebraska
    Solo Tackles….PBU…40….Vert….Broad
    Career…69……21…..4.55…37″…10’1″(121′)
    **Didn’t do all athletic events due to Injury

    Devin McCourty Rutgers
    Solo Tackles….PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Broad Jump…Vert
    2009……49……7….4.48…..6.70……..4.07………10’6″(126″)….36″
    Career…149….24(Draftscout)
    Special Teams: Returned Kick’s averaged 25.4 yards in 2009 also had 7 career blocked kicks

    Terrence Wheatley Colorado
    Solo Tackles….PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Broad……….Vert
    2006…36……..11…4.37…6.74………4.17…………10’8″(128″)..38.5″(Pro Day)
    2007…34……..12
    Career.70……..31

    Jonathan Wilhite Auburn Juco 33 Games
    Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone….20 Shuttle….Broad………..Vert
    Career..83……17…..4.38…7.17…….4.41……………10’0″(120″)..35″

    Darryl Roberts Marshall

    Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
    2014…46……..17…..4.38…6.66……4.06…………39″….11’1″(133″)
    Career.122…..32

    • Stephen J says:

      Possible players that may fit into this category from this draft

      Rashard Fant Indiana 5’9 1/2″ 179 lbs

      …………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
      2015…..48…………….22….4.45…N/A……N/A……….N/A….N/A
      Career…118……………53

      D’Montre Wade Murray St 5’11” 206 lbs
      …………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
      2016…..33…………….18….4.57…7.07…..4.40……..36.5″…10’1″(121″)
      Career…109……………45

      Arrion Springs Oregon 5’10 1/2″ 208 lbs
      …………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
      2017…..31…………….18….4.46…7.02….4.51……….32″….9’10”
      Career…97……………..42

      Jordan Thomas Oklahoma 6’0″ 187 lbs
      …………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
      2016…..42…………….17….4.64…6.28…..3.94………38″….10’4″
      Career…121……………27

      Davontae Harris Illinois St 5’11” 205 lbs Jr Declared Early
      …………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
      2017…..43…………….14….4.43…6.96…..4.40………32.5″…10’3″
      Career…136……………37 (34 Games)

      Darrius Phillips Western Michigan 5’9 7/8″ 193 lbs
      …………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
      2015…..36…………….15….4.40…N/A…..4.18……….32.5″…N/A
      Career…89……………..35

      Nick Nelson Wisconsin 5’10 5/8″ 200 lbs
      …………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
      2015…..36…………….15….4.52…6.84…..4.08………36.5″…10’3″
      Career…93…………….41 (35 Games)

      MJ Stewart North Carolina 5’10 7/8″ 200 lbs
      …………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
      2016…..48…………….11….4.54…6.90….4.28……….35″…..9’10”
      Career…129…………..41 (49 Games)

      • Stephen J says:

        DJ Reed Kansas St
        ………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
        2017….41……………….9……4.51…6.82…..4.06………36.5″…10’4″(124″)
        2016….62……………..16
        Career..103……………25

        Avonte Maddox Pitt
        ………..Solo Tackles…PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
        2015….52………………12….4.39…6.51….4.00…………..37″….10’5″(125″)
        Career..136…………….34

      • Stephen J says:

        Darius Williams UAB

        Height:…..5’9 5/8″
        Weight:…..184

        …………..Solo… INT’s……PBU…40….3 Cone…20 Shuttle…Vert….Broad
        2017…..38……..5……….15….4.44…6.85…..4.34………39″….10’2″
        Career…54……..6……….21(23 games)

  3. Stephen J says:

    Patriots News

    https://thefalconswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/19/2018-nfl-draft-frank-ragnow-meets-with-falcons-and-patriots/

    I’ve done more research on Frank Ragnow including rereading Jeff’s Report he did on this site. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is higher on the board than Connor Williams. Here is why. He has played all the positions OT OG and C(OT was in HS). He is just as athletic if not even more athletic than Connor Williams.

    ………….Frank Ragnow……….Connor Williams
    Height……..6’5 1/8″………………6’5 1/8″
    Weight……..312……………………296
    Arm L………33 1/8″……………….33″
    40…………..4.99………………….5.05
    10 Split…….1.74………………….1.72
    Bench………27……………………26
    Vert…………33 1/2″……………..34″
    Broad……….9’7″………………….9’4″
    20 Shuttle…4.51………………….4.63
    3 Cone……..8.04…………………7.83

    The only thing that is concerning for Ragnow athletically is the 3 Cone but when I looked at Tony Garcia’s from last year his was 7.98. Less than ideal for sure but in the same general range. Not to mention size wise he also fits as an OT unlike Isaiah Wynn who is 6’2 3/8″ who by the way was ranked behind Ragnow as an interior OL man.

    Now when it comes to on field production PFF had him graded as the highest overall Center. His run blocking grade was 94.6 while his pass blocking grade was 98.6. While his overall grade was 93.7 this year and last years it was at 94.5 making him PFF’s top-graded center in back-to-back seasons. Those two grades also were the highest grades for any center since PFF starting grading for individual season. In 2,603 collegiate snaps, Ragnow did not allow a single sack. His technique is second to none which can be seen here

    https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/987077667257282561

    that has to make Dante Scarnecchia smile.

    Just as a reference PFF graded Conor Williams at 91.1 in 2016 and 85.7 in 2017.

    Now here is two other athletic comparisons that I came across Shaq Mason and Tony Garcia

    ………….Frank Ragnow……….Shaq Mason…Tony Garcia
    Height……..6’5 1/8″………………6’1 3/4″…..6’6 3/8″
    Weight……..312……………………310……….302
    Arm L………33 1/8″……………….31 1/8″…..33 3/8″
    40…………..4.99………………….4.99……….5.15
    10 Split…….1.74………………….1.75……….1.81
    Bench………27……………………25…………..24
    Vert…………33 1/2″……………..32″………….31
    Broad……….9’7″………………….9’2″…………9’0″
    20 Shuttle…4.51………………….4.65………..4.94
    3 Cone……..8.04…………………7.53………..7.98(7.70 Pro Day)

    He definitely fits as a guard center no questions there. The question is can he also play OT. He has the size and the only question athletically is the 3 cone. As far as technique he is solid there. Being that Ragnow played at Arkansas and the Head Coach of Arkansas Bret Bielema was serving as a consultant for the Patriots during the combine and pro days they would have all the information they need from that point of view. It would be if the Patriots during their work out with Ragnow put him through OT drills to see if he could play OT as well. If that is the case and he performed well then I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as a day 1 selection. If the Pats just strictly see him as an OG Center then he is clearly on the Pats radar it would come down to how much do they value him. The highest Guard drafted was Logan Mankins at 6′ 4″ 310 lbs in 2005 at pick 32. I see Ragnow as that type of OL man and seeing BB valuing him as such. As Bill Belichick said at the Pre Draft conference “I don’t understand the whole need thing. I understand player value, and that’s what we go by.”

  4. Daniel says:

    Last One.
    This one came out great I think!

    23: R1P23
    LB RASHAAN EVANS
    ALABAMA
    31: R1P31
    LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH
    BOISE STATE
    43: R2P11
    OT KOLTON MILLER
    UCLA
    63: R2P31
    CB DONTE JACKSON
    LSU
    95: R3P31
    EDGE KEMOKO TURAY
    RUTGERS
    198: R6P24
    FB DIMITRI FLOWERS
    OKLAHOMA
    210: R6P36
    DL PJ HALL
    SAM HOUSTON STATE
    219: R7P1
    QB J.T. BARRETT
    OHIO STATE

  5. Daniel says:

    1: R1P23
    LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH
    BOISE STATE
    2: R1P31
    TE DALLAS GOEDERT
    SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
    3: R2P11
    OT KOLTON MILLER
    UCLA
    4: R2P31
    C FRANK RAGNOW
    ARKANSAS
    5: R3P31
    DL P.J. HALL
    SAM HOUSTON STATE
    6: R6P24
    EDGE HERCULES MATA’AFA
    WASHINGTON STATE
    7: R6P36
    QB J.T. BARRETT
    OHIO STATE

  6. steve earle says:

    Lamar Jackson visits Pats, WBZ reports, great interest thay conclude. Or it it one of Bill smoke screens, he is quite a nebelwerfer after all?

  7. Daniel says:

    wait a second! Why is no one talking about J. T. Barret? He played for a powerhouse school, was in consideration for a Heisman, is a dual threat quarterback who is actually accurate as a passer and is slightly heavier than Jackson. He can be had in the 6th round! Like Brady, he also had to fight to get back on the field several times due to competition at the position.

  8. Daniel says:

    Used Fan Speak simulator:

    1: R1P23
    EDGE MARCUS DAVENPORT
    UTSA
    2: R1P31
    LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH
    BOISE STATE
    3: R2P11
    TE DALLAS GOEDERT
    SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
    4: R2P31
    OT KOLTON MILLER
    UCLA
    5: R3P31
    DL P.J. HALL
    SAM HOUSTON STATE
    6: R6P24
    FB DIMITRI FLOWERS
    OKLAHOMA
    7: R6P36
    QB CHAD KANOFF
    PRINCETON

  9. EdgeX says:

    I think this may have been my best fanspeak mock draft:

    1(23) – Marcus Davenport DE (I think Pat’s know they need a force up front and Davenport should help in that department)

    1(31) – Connor Williams OT (As Scar said arm length doesn’t matter if you know how to use it – I think Scar can mold him into a beast LT)

    2(43) – Lorenzo Carter OLB (This guy will greatly help our LB position and provide pass rush potential)

    2(63) – Dallas Goedert TE (If the Pat’s use both Gronk and Goedert at the same time on the field there should be a devastating impact)

    3(95) – Kemoko Turay DE (The Rutgers connection strikes again – watching some of Turay’s tape is nuts and I think Bill can get the most out of him)

    • Mike Gerken says:

      I would be happy with that

      • EdgeX says:

        Yeah it would be nice, but considering where the Pat’s pick AND based on value….

        I could see them go CB and S with first two picks (which you mentioned below).

        It all depends on who’s available when they pick.

        Also I don’t buy all the chatter about the Pat’s picking a QB in the first round or even at all this year. I think it’s a smokescreen. How does drafting a guy high to ride the bench help the Patriots goal of winning another Superbowl with all the other needs they have?

        • Daniel says:

          You guys know a lot more aboiut this than I do, so I will defer to your knowledge. But I just don’t get that sentiment on CB/S. We have positions of far greater need and, aside from Derwin James, are there really any game changing type secondary players in this years draft? Especially those falling to the last half of the 1st and 2nd rounds.

          I think TE Goedert can make a huge impact, and we desperately need a starting LT. Do any of the secondary players that might be available present an improvement greater than Goedert or a decent (admittedly not projected stellar) LT?

        • steve earle says:

          Agree with Daniel we have far more current needs then CB and Saf. That comes from the theory that in all instances Bill drafts for the future. I’m not convinced that’s always the case. Yes there are some very good prospects at those positions available in the first and second rounds but so are their in positions like DE, OLB, and OT, positions definitely in need. Just have to wait and see how it plays out.

        • EdgeX says:

          @Steve and @Daniel

          While you both made true observations…the Pat’s don’t always pick players based on need. It’s a balancing act of value vs need. And sometimes that value is too much to give up. Which is why it’s just as easy for me to see the Pat’s go CB/S with first two picks vs DE/OT or some other combination such as LB/DE…or even QB like the hype train is indicating. I still think QB is a smokescreen but I understand the thought process behind it.

          It all depends on who is available when the Pat’s pick.

        • steve earle says:

          @ Edge: I think that’s what we’re saying, or trying to. I had been scanning the BB era drafts, scanning not studying, and it looked like sometimes he drafted early for need and sometimes not but kind of hard to tell not remembering exactly what needs were the deeper back I went. Doesn’t really matter though mocks with CB/Saf in Rd 1 are just as viable as any others. Myself I’m not trying to predict what the Pats will do just saying what I would do. We are all guessing and chances of hitting even one pick in place is a long short, but it’s fun.

    • Daniel says:

      Just tried the Fan Speak simulator. That was fun. Thanks for mentioning it Edge.

      I learned that many of the players I thought would be around in later rounds actually went far earlier than CBS and NFL websites predicted, and consensus late 1st round selections such as Orlando Brown went far later.

      Which big boards do you guys find to be the most accurate or attuned to your personal projections?

      Mike, which big board would you recommend I plug into the simulation on this site to most closely replicate your own?

      • EdgeX says:

        You’re welcome.

        To be honest with you it’s all a crap shoot. After how many mock drafts are run I don’t think anyone in the world ever gets it even close to right. Too many variables. And you can’t control who trades up/down and the players that are picked in front of you. But that’s also what makes it exciting and entertaining!

    • steve earle says:

      Looks good to me, can we lock that in as our picks?

  10. kevinz says:

    BB likes him some role players for a specific role for them to play and is big on ST. So went mostly with role players who are really good at one skill with Potential to evolve into Starters.

    1st:Connor Williams OT

    2nd: OGbonnia Okoronkwo DE-OLB rush role player to rush said could be a late 1st just for that role so mayb keep other 1st instead?

    2nd:Ade Aruna DE role to learn either redshirt year or arrive halfway through season

    2nd:Dorian O’daniel Box saf Hybrid LB role player to cover plus ST Ace

    3rd:John Kelly RB perfect 2 down back and is said to be a perfect compliment to passing backs

    4th:Leon Jacobs LB role player to cover in zone plus raw tools to rush has few nice rush move counters to work with

    5th:Chad Kanoff QB

    6th:Javon rolland-jones lb rusher role player to just rush on 3rd and longs advanced at rushing the QB just small

    6th:Justin lawler DE a role to rush good with his hands

    7th:Phillip Lindsay role player catching back plus ST player

    • steve earle says:

      Different approach here Kevinz. A for outside the box thinking. Dorian O’Daniel as a nickle inside the box pick would work I think. Another guy I like and would like to know what you think of him is Shaqem Griffin. Speed of a fast SS and power of a small LB who comes with attitude at no extra cost.

      • kevinz says:

        Thanks steve i love thinking outside the box try covering all my basics. I love Griffin honestly he a heat seeking missile. I wouldnt be upset if took a chance on him.

  11. kevinz says:

    1st:Lorenzo Carter OLB

    2nd: Brian O’neill OT

    2nd:Ade Aruna DE

    2nd:Dorian O’daniel Box saf Hybrid LB

    3rd:Royce Freeman RB

    4th:Leon Jacobs LB

    5th:Chad Kanoff QB

    6th:Javon rolland-jones lb rusher

    6th:James Butler RB

    7th:Daurice Fountain Wr

  12. brandon maxham says:

    mock draft 4/23: 1 of 2

    1st:DJ Moore WR

    1st:traded for 2nd,4th and 5th.

    2nd:Fred Warner OLB-ILB

    2nd:Duke Ejiofor DE

    2nd:Terell Edmunds OLB-S

    3rd:Jaylen Samuels RB-FB-TE

    4th:Troy Fumagalli TE

    5th:Greg Stroman CB

    6th:Chad Kanoff QB

    6th:Sean Welsh G-C

    7th:Phillip Lindsay RB

  13. TommyG says:

    Just for fun thought

    Would you Trade Gronk and 23 pick for Deandre Hopkins and Whitney Merilcus?

  14. GM-in-Training says:

    OT, LB, DE, QB.

    I just don’t see DB in the first 2 rounds.

  15. kevinz says:

    Nice list Mike i like Yiedom and Reed from this list along with reid fs. i agree take a cb or S but most likely not to early though who knows with BB though lol

  16. macspak says:

    lot of secondary depth. Highest need remains speed at LB. How do needs square with best player available when BB says he doesn’t even know what drafting for need means? )f that were/is true aren’t we just spinning our wheels since we have no idea what BB’s draft board looks like based upon BPA? Don’t you have to, to an extent, draft based on need? Haven’t we noted BB drafts planning a year ahead and isn’t that due to future need?

    OLB speed
    ILB speed
    Edge rusher
    OT
    QB
    TE
    CB
    RB

  17. EdgeX says:

    What about Carlton Davis? I know he’s not perfect, but if available in the 2nd round I think he would be a steal.

    • Mike says:

      Yup, gave him a second round grade. Pure press man corner, so the fit isn’t perfect. My struggle with him was he really struggled to locate the ball when it’s in the air. The Patriots have had that type before and it really frustrates me. Good corner, but had to make some tough decisions at a position that might not be a huge need.

  18. Rob says:

    Based on draft position and value,I think pats go cornerback, safety’s in the 1st round.if they don’t trade I would love an Alexander,Reid 1st round

    • Daniel says:

      I hope you’re wrong with CB/S being addressed early. We have Gilmore, McCourty (ProBowl Caliber) and other decent caliber players in secondary. If James falls to 23 then by all means. I just don’t think the team has a need in the backfield great enough, nor does the draft have any corners or safeties (excluding James) talented enough to improve the team as well as other positions.

    • Mike Gerken says:

      I think people are sleeping on this type of scenario. Long term, there are holes at both CB and Safety and I do think they could hit both of those positions early. I am fine with it as long as it is the right guys.

  19. maineman209 says:

    Another great job, Mike! Thanks!

    Good info on a couple prospects that I hadn’t previously considered. Reid is still my favorite, though. I’m sure a lot of fans would prefer a corner selected early, but Reid feels like a guy the Pats can’t afford to pass up with D-Mac turning 31 this season (and scheduled to make $12M this season and $13.4M next season).

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