Draft Prospects To Watch This Bowl Season Prior To The Playoff

NEPD Staff Writer: Mike Gerken

Hello all! I hope that you had a good holiday season so far. This week is when the bowl games really amp up and its crazy to think that Iowa State will actually be playing in one of them. It has been awhile since I posted something, so I wanted to get something out there so loyal fans of this site had a place to add new content. I am writing to you from my unfinished basement, wearing hat and gloves while typing (it’s a long story, but hopefully it will have a happy ending soon.)

Anyway, here are some names to watch over the next week or so to hopefully tide you over until I can get more content out on a regular basis. Best prospect from each game is in italics.

Texas Bowl: Missouri vs Texas

Missouri:

Marcell Frazier, DE, Missouri
Ish Witter, RB, Missouri
J’Mon More, WR, Missouri
Terry Beckner, DT, Missouri (JR)
Eric Beisel, LB, Missouri

Texas:

Connor Williams, OT, Texas

Poona Ford, DT, Texas
​Malik Jefferson, OLB, Texas
Naashon Hughes, OLB, Texas
Holton Hill, CB, Texas (JR)
P.J. Locke III, CB, Texas (JR)
Jason Hall, CB, Texas
DeShon Elliott, S, Texas (JR)

Camping World Bowl: Virginia Tech vs Oklahoma State

Virginia Tech:

Brandon Facyson, CB, Virginia Tech
Cam Phillips, WR, Virginia Tech
Wyatt Teller, G, Virginia Tech
Eric Gallo, C, Virginia Tech
Yosuah Nijman, OT, Virginia Tech (JR)
Andrew Motuapuaka, LB, Virginia Tech
Tremaine Edmunds, ILB, Virginia Tech (JR)
Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech
Adonis Alexander, CB, Virginia Tech (JR)

Oklahoma State:

Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State

James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State
Zachary Crabtree, OT, Oklahoma State
Aaron Cochran, OT, Oklahoma State (JR)
Tralund Webber, DE, Oklahoma State
Tre Flowers, S, Oklahoma State
Ramon Richards, S, Oklahoma State

Alamo Bowl: Stanford vs TCU

Stanford:

Bryce Love, RB, Stanford

David Bright, OT, Stanford
Casey Tucker, G, Stanford
Jesse Burkett, C, Stanford
Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford
Peter Kalambayi, OLB, Stanford
Quenton Meeks, CB, Stanford (JR)
​Justin Reid, S, Stanford (JR)

TCU:

John Diarse, WR, TCU
Kyle Hicks, RB, TCU
Joseph Noteboom, OT, TCU
Matt Pryor, G, TCU
Mat Boesen, DE, TCU
Travin Howard, OLB, TCU

Holiday Bowl: Washington State vs Michigan State

Washington State:

Luke Falk, QB, Washington State

Jamal Morrow, RB, Washington State
Cody O’Connell, G, Washington State
Cole Madison, OT, Washington State
Garrett McBroom, DT, Washington State
Hercules Mata’afa, DT, Washington State (JR)

Michigan State:

Brian Allen, C, Michigan State
Demetrius Cooper, DT, Michigan State
Chris Frey, OLB, Michigan State

Belk Bowl: Wake Forest vs Texas A&M

Wake Forest:

Duke Ejiofor, DE, Wake Forest

John Wolford, QB, Wake Forest
Cam Serigne, TE, Wake Forest

Texas A&M:

Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M

Damion Ratley, WR, Texas A&M
​Zaycoven Henderson, DT, Texas A&M
Kingsley Keke, DT, Texas A&M (JR)
Priest Willis, CB, Texas A&M
Armani Watts, S, Texas A&M

Sun Bowl: N.C. State vs Arizona State

N.C. State:

Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State

Nyheim Hines, RB, N.C. State (JR)
Jaylen Samuels, FB, N.C. State
Tony Adams, G, N.C. State
Will Richardson, OT, N.C. State (JR)
B.J. Hill, DT, N.C. State
Justin Jones, DT, N.C. State
Kentavius Street, DE, N.C. State
Johnathan Alston, CB, N.C. State

Arizona State:

Kalen Ballage, RB, Arizona State
AJ McCollum, G, Arizona State
Tashon Smallwood, DT, Arizona State
Koron Crump, OLB, Arizona State

Cotton Bowl: USC vs Ohio State

USC:

Sam Darnold, QB, USC

Ronald Jones, RB, USC (JR)
​Deontay Burnett, WR, USC (JR)
Uchenna Nwosu, OLB, USC
Chris Hawkins, S, USC
Iman Marshall, CB, USC (JR)

Ohio State:

Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State

J.T. Barrett, QB, Ohio State
Marcus Baugh, TE, Ohio State
Jamarco Jones, OT, Ohio State
Billy Price, C, Ohio State
Dre’Mont Jones, Ohio State (JR)
Sam Hubbard, DE, Ohio State (JR)
Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State
Jerome Baker, OLB, Ohio State (JR)
Damon Webb, S, Ohio State

TaxSlayer Bowl: Louisville vs Mississippi State

Louisville:

Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville

Trevon Young, DE, Louisville
James Hearns, OLB, Louisville
Trumaine Washington, CB, Louisville
Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville (JR)

Mississippi State:

Martinas Rankin, OT, Mississippi State
Donald Gray, WR, Mississippi State
Jordan Thomas, TE, Mississippi State

Liberty Bowl: Memphis vs Iowa State:

Memphis:

Anthony Miller, WR, Memphis

Riley Ferguson, QB, Memphis
​Genard Avery, OLB, Memphis
Jonathan Cook, CB, Memphis

Iowa State:

Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa State

Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa State
​Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State (JR)
Jake Campos, OT, Iowa State
Joel Lanning, ILB, Iowa State

Fiesta Bowl: Washington vs Penn State

Washington:

Vita Vea, DT, Washington

Lavon Coleman, RB, Washington
Dante Pettis, WR, Washington
Azeem Victor, ILB, Washington
Keishawn Bierria, LB, Washington

Penn State:

Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State

Juwan Johnson, WR, Penn State (JR)
DaeSean Hamilton, WR, Penn State
Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State
Curtis Cothran, DT, Penn State
Jason Cabinda, ILB, Penn State
Christian Campbell, CB, Penn State
Marcus Allen, S, Penn State

Orange Bowl: Miami vs Wisconsin

Miami:

Chad Thomas, DE, Miami

Braxton Berrios, WR, Miami
Dee Delaney, CB, Miami

Wisconsin:

Troy Fumagalli, TE, Wisconsin

Michael Deiter, OT, Wisconsin (JR)
Conor Sheehy, DT, Wisconsin
Derrick Tindal, CB, Wisconsin

Outback Bowl: Michigan vs South Carolina

Michigan:

Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan

Mason Cole, OT, Michigan
Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan (JR)
Mike McCray, OLB, Michigan

South Carolina:

Skai Moore, OLB, South Carolina
Cory Helms, G, South Carolina
Alan Knott, G, South Carolina
Taylor Stallworth, DT, South Carolina
Jamarcus King, CB, South Carolina

Peach Bowl: Auburn vs UCF

Auburn:

Braden Smith, G, Auburn
Austin Golson, OT, Auburn
Tre’ Williams, OLB, Auburn
Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn (JR)
Tray Matthews, S, Auburn

UCF:

Shaquem Griffin, ILB, UCF

Jordan Akins, WR, UCF
Jamiyus Pittman, DT, UCF

Citrus Bowl: Notre Dame vs LSU

Notre Dame:

Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame

Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame (JR)
Jay Hayes, DE, Notre Dame (JR)
Drue Tranquill, OLB, Notre Dame

LSU:

Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

DJ Chark, WR, LSU
Greg Gilmore, DT, LSU
Christian LaCouture, DE, LSU
Arden Key, DE, LSU (JR)
Donnie Alexander, ILB, LSU
Donte Jackson, CB, LSU (JR)
Kevin Toliver II, CB, LSU (JR)

There you go, hopefully that helps when watching the games. This should keep you busy on the couch for a few days anyway. I hope the New Year finds everyone who reads this well and that 2018 is your best year ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

203 Responses to “Draft Prospects To Watch This Bowl Season Prior To The Playoff”

  1. Stephen J says:

    I broke down another QB that the Pats were linked to earlier in the year.

    Mason Rudolph Oklahoma St 6’5″ 230 lbs.

    Games 42
    Attempts 1447
    Completions 915
    Comp % 63.23
    Yards 13618
    TD’s 92
    Int’s 26
    QBR 158.15

    Now here are the benchmarks

    …………….Actual……………….Benchmarks

    Games …..42……………………30
    QBR……….158.15……………..150
    Comp %….63.23……………….65
    Yards/Att…9.41…………………8.0
    TD to Int…3.54…………………3.0
    Att to Int…55.65……………….50

    So from a statistical point of view he hits 5 of 6 benchmarks

    • steve earle says:

      I like Rudolph but wonder about these TD to Int and YPC. In the games I saw he looked better then what these seemed to indicate unless, I’m misinterpreting them?

  2. Russell says:

    I think the QB’s may get pushed the draft board;
    Cleveland- RB Barkley
    N.Y. G. – OT Brown
    Colts – OT McGilinchey
    Cleveland- QB Rosen
    Denver – QB Rudolph
    N.Y.J. – QB Allen
    Tampa- DE Chubb
    Chicago – CB Fitspatrick
    49ers – OG Nelson
    Oakland – DT Payne
    Miami – LB Smith
    Cinny – ???
    Washington – DT Vea
    Green Bay- DT Wilkens
    Arizona – QB Darnold
    Baltimore – WR Ridley or ??
    Chargers ?????
    Seattle – OT Williams
    Dallas – CB McFadden, Davis, Jackson ???
    Detroit – LB Edmunds or LB Jefferson
    Buffalo – QB Mayfield
    Buffalo – DT Hurst
    Rams – LB Jefferson or Edmunds
    Carolina – DE Bryant
    Tenn. – DE Hubbard
    Jacksonville – S James
    Atlanta – LB Edmunds or Jefferson
    New Orleans – LB Evans
    Vikings – OC Price
    Steelers – CB Ward
    Eagles – WR Sutton or DE Armstrong
    Patriots – DT Phillips

    • Russell says:

      Look for Cinny to Sign QB AJ McCarron and trade Andy Dalton to Denver.
      Also look for Mike Vrabel as next Detroit coach.

      • steve earle says:

        My question, why would Cinn. settle for McCarron and hasn’t Denver learned from past mistakes?

    • steve earle says:

      About the NYG: Is it inconceivable really that the Giants also would take a QB? Eli is nearing the end and an OT should be available in the 2nd or even the 3rd. When expecting a new HC it might be good to give the new guy a QB of his own choosing?

  3. GM-in-Training says:

    For positional priority, right now I’m favoring the following:

    1st: OT
    2nd: DE
    2nd: OLB
    3rd: SS
    4th: TE
    6th: CB
    7th: Special Teams.

    My reasoning is:
    – Any OT you want has to have really high upside, and we’re already behind schedule on developing them.
    – DE with 35″+ arms, 265#, fast, strong and smart are just hard to find, but that’s what we need to hold the edge, rush and cover RB/TE.
    – We need more health at LB and there should be good talent in 2nd round.
    – We’ve got a couple SS/FS on the PS with good traits, but no indication if they’re special or not.
    – TE is really important, and Allen and Bennet both might be overpriced for what they can reliably do next season.
    – CB diamond in the rough can be found in the the 6th, or more likely we trade this pick for a veteran and a 7th.
    – ST specialist with traits, whether they are SS/FS/light LB/Move TE/RB tend to have good value in 7th.

    • GM-in-Training says:

      You may have noticed no developmental QB on my list. I’d like to say that’s because the Pats are going to bring in 5 small-school UDFA with traits, and find a Kirk Warner amongst them, but actually it’s because I just have no idea what round they have to choose in to get a keeper.

      • Stephen J says:

        Thanks for the giggle GM I needed that today.

        1 No I didn’t notice the QB until you mentioned it. If the Patriots are interested in Luke Falk that would likely be one of the 2nd rounders. Don’t see them addressing that in Free Agency. If they go elsewhere I have no clue. Quite a few options and don’t know which one they prefer.

        2 DE with 35″+ arms, 265#, fast, strong and smart are just hard to find, but that’s what we need to hold the edge, rush and cover RB/TE. This made me giggle so hard to find yet can be had in the 2nd round. If they are so hard to find wouldn’t they be snapped up in the 1st but I may have two for you. I am just waiting for measurements and times.

        1st one may not be super fast nor super strong but fast enough and strong enough and not sure about arm length (may or may not be) but was productive. 6’4 265. Career Stats
        142 solo tackles 226 Total Tackles 39.5 TFL 20.5 Sacks 21 QBH 6 Blocked Kicks/Punts 3 PBU 3FF. As of right now being targeted in the 4th-5th round after combine may move up to 3rd-4th round.

        2nd one has long arms 6’5″ 269(255) While at 255 was athletic, super productive and was compared to former Dolphin great Jason Taylor while at 269 this past year wasn’t as productive nearly 50% drop and not nearly as fast and athletic. So maybe he drops 7 lbs to
        262 lbs to regain that for the combine. For his career he had 74 Solo Tackles 123 Total Tackles 40.5 TFL 27.5 Sacks 15 QBH 2 Blocked Kicks/Punts 3 PBU 6 FF. Right now being targeted in the early 3rd after combine maybe in the early to mid 2nd.

    • Stephen J says:

      I am going through CB’s right now and have a few but still need a little bit more time with them also will share something that I came across that is intriguing that BB may or may not be doing that could impact this coming year.

    • Stephen J says:

      SS OMG this position is loaded with talent plenty of good ones to be had almost too hard to choose from.

  4. steve earle says:

    Good news my computer is coning back to normal slowly. Found Ito Smith on NFL Draft Scout and here’s what it said. Ito Smith RB So. Miss 5-9 195 4.5/40 4 year starter has 4446 yds rushing career, 1420 receiving, 5866 yds from scrimmage and 6344 all purpose yds. Had four TD,s of 65 yards or more this season.
    Sounds like a do it all player like Lewis and have to wonder what having both of them on next years roster would be like? AS for where he might be drafted Draft Scout only gave a “rising” grade there.

    • Russell says:

      Tech. LB Tremaine Edmunds enters the draft; 6’4″ 248 Lbs. 4.82 40 yd.

      • Stephen J says:

        Tremaine Edmunds looks like he will go in the top 25 if not top 20. Dolphins are looking at LB’s even though they scouted him several times this year I think they go with Roquan Smith at 11. Another team that has been mentioned with him is the Chargers but they could go one of three ways and LB is probably 2nd or 3rd of those three. 2 other teams are the Dallas Cowboys who also need LB help desperately and are connected with Edmunds then there is the New Orleans Saints who have looked at LB’s but have other needs as well but Tremaine’s older brother Trey is a RB for the Saints so that could come into play. So there are 3 possibilities that I know of in the top 25 where he could land and 1 still playing in the playoffs that could be before we select. If he gets by the Cowboys then he could be in play for us in the 1st round depending on where the Saints and Pats eventually land in the draft and if there is no other teams interested in LB’s in the 1st round.

        As far as Ito Smith goes he is a 5th rounder right now but likely be a 4th rounder after the combine maybe as high as a late 3rd. The thing about him is his fumbling. It’s not atrocious but its not great either. He fumbles every 1 in 123 touches. BB doesn’t look at anyone at 100 or below and he considers those at 1 in 150 touches and above but prefers those that are in the 1 in 200-300+ range. Since Ito falls into that in between range I’m not sure what BB would do. It may depend if Dion Lewis signs else where or stays here. Ito resembles what Dion does. Then there is Rex Burkhead if he leaves there is Rashaad Penny who resembles more of what Rex does. So it may come down to who stays and who goes and then that will determine who we will target.

        • Stephen J says:

          Another place for Tremaine Edmunds is Washington at pick 13 who could use LB help. Though their draft may come down to what happens with Kirk Cousins. They MAY use that pick(13th) and another to move up to get a QB. So many teams could be in play but right now Dallas seems to be the key if Tremaine Edmunds would be in play for us. Even then would he be the only one in play for example if someone else like Vita Vea (who has been projected to go to San Diego and or Buffalo) or an OT fell as well as Tremaine. Right now there are so many possibilities this far out.

        • Russell says:

          I agree LB Edmunds goes earlier than Patriots, it just means another player gets pushed down. I have DT Payne going to the Raiders, DT Via to Washington, DE Chubb to Tampa, LB Smith to Miami, DT Wilkins to Green Bay, so I think , LB Edmunds or LB Jefferson goes to Detroit. Dallas seems to need help on the back of the D, so I think, CB Jackson OR CB Davis , barring a trade up to get CB Fitspatrick I have going to Chicago.

  5. steve earle says:

    Hey, anyone know what’s happening with NFL Draft Scout site. Windows upgraded my PC the other day and I can’t get it except for advertisements for 70% off adds, or is just my computer?

  6. Stephen J says:

    If you don’t know who Ito Smith is

    https://twitter.com/StillRyanFive/status/942429032527945729

    Enjoy

    • steve earle says:

      You can’t fool me this is Barry Sanders, right? (I say smiling)For crying out loud show us more.

    • steve earle says:

      Was hoping for more on ito Smith. Only found tiny clip describes him as 5-7(I think) and 190 lbs. Doesn’t look that heavy but boy is he quick and shifty. So Stephen where do you see him going in the draft?

  7. Stephen J says:

    Here is a fun statistical site I came across today

    http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/469

  8. Stephen J says:

    This is my initial list of Running Backs who protected the ball during their college career. (Touches include carries receptions and kick/punt returns)

    Bryce Love Stanford 5’10” 196 lbs 432 career touches 0 lost fumbles.
    Ronald Jones USC 6’0″ 200 lbs 623 touches 2 lost fumbles. 1 in 311 touches.
    Kerryon Johnson 6’0″ 212 lbs 574 touches 2 lost fumbles 1 in 287 touches.
    Derrius Guice LSU 5’11” 218 lbs 503 touches 2 lost fumbles 1 in 251.5 touches.

    Other RB’s and their touch to fumble ratio

    Nick Chubb Georgia 5’10” 225 lbs 789 touches 5 lost fumbles 1 in 157.8 touches
    Jaylen Samuels NC State 5’11” 228 395 touches 3 lost fumbles 1 in 133.67 touches
    Sony Michel Georgia 5’11” 215 lbs 655 touches 5 lost fumbles 1 in 131 touches
    Ito Smith Southern Mississippi 5’9″ 195 lbs 986 touches 8 lost fumbles 1 in 123 touches.
    Martez Carter Grambling St 5’9″ 205 lbs 467 touches 10 lost fumbles 1 in 46.7 touches

    • Stephen J says:

      Correction on Jaylen Samuels 395 touches 3 lost fumbles = 1 in 131.67 touches not 133.67

    • Stephen J says:

      Akrum Wadley Iowa 5’11” 195 lbs 616 touches 5 lost fumbles 1 lost fumble out of 123.2 touches.
      His Freshman was the killer he had 34 touches with 2 lost fumbles if you were to take out his Freshman year he would of had 582 touches with 3 fumbles for a rate of 1 fumble for every 194 touches.

    • Stephen J says:

      Rashaad Penny San Diego St 5’11 220 lbs

      613 Career Touches 4 Lost Fumbles 1 in 153.25 Touches

  9. Russell says:

    NO Trade Patriots Mock;

    1st; S- Quin Blanding
    2nd; OL- Braden Smith
    2nd; LB – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
    3d ; DT – Poona Ford
    4th; Comp.; OC Bradley Bozeman
    6th; QB Taylor Lamb

  10. Russell says:

    DT DaRon Payne looked very good! S Ronnie Harrison not so good. OC Bradley Bozeman looked very solid, 6’5″ 315 lbs.
    Georgia DT Trenton Thompson 6’3″ 310 looked good at times., and Lorenzo Carter looked quicker than expected. RB Michel improved his stock, Chubb not so much.

  11. kevin z says:

    Updated Mock (These are fun):
    2nd – Duke Ejiorfor DE Wake Forest
    2nd (trade) – OT Tyrell Crosby, Oregon
    2nd – RB Sony Michel GA Binkie
    3rd (trade) – LB M Kiser sc
    3rd –DT Poona Ford
    4th –OT Cunningham
    6th – RB Ryan Nall, Oregon State
    7th –Coles Rayes SS N.Dak

  12. kevin z says:

    Wow what a College natl championship game. wanted Ga to win Sony my Binkie like Kamara was last year. very slim chance take him though doubt drops too 3rd rd hoping lol

  13. steve earle says:

    See some new mocks posted. I’m sticking with my Dec 28th mock. Just think it’s realistic and would fill most holes of needs with value picks. At least through the 4 comp.

  14. JH says:

    Updated Mock (Due to Finley staying in school):

    2nd – SS Kyzir White, West Virginia
    2nd (trade) – DE Marcus Davenport, UTSA
    2nd – OT Tyrell Crosby, Oregon
    3rd (trade) – LB Darius Leonard, South Carolina State
    3rd – QB Alex McGough, FIU
    4th – CB Brandon Facyson, Virginia Tech
    6th – RB Ryan Nall, Oregon State
    7th – DT Folorunso Fatukasi, UConn

    • steve earle says:

      I’ve been thinking on your mock and want to ask if you think Davenport will get down to us in the #41-43 range to the 2 SF pick? Could we not achieve the same results by taking Davenport with our 1st then trade that 2 SF pick down a few spots and still get another 2nd and a 3rd? What is your thinking on that?

      • JH says:

        I’d really be fine with either, I just figured trading the first would give us better picks than trading a second. However, if someone falls to us in the first round that Bill really likes, he’d probably prefer to keep the first and trade the second rounder like you said. It all depends on how the draft unfolds.

  15. Daniel Sullivan says:

    To Patriots a little less Brandin Cooks and more Phillip Dorsett.

    Patriots Mock Draft
    1 Pats move up trade 1st pick and 2nd round pick and take Mike McGlinchey OT Notre Dame
    2 Duke Ejiofor DE Wake Forest
    3 Royce Freeman RB Oregon
    4 Steven Parker SS Oklahoma
    6 Kenny Young ILB UCLA

    I love the Patriots but great spirited football tonight Alabama vs Georgia enjoy the game
    and Go Bulldogs!!

    • Daniel Sullivan says:

      I have to add a quick Red Sox not Jackie Bradley for Yasiel Puig and
      signing Jake Arrieta SP would be great moves for the Sox.
      Dave Dombrowski time to step up.

      Go Pats!

    • steve earle says:

      That would be something moving up for McGlinchey. Wonder if Bill would really do that?

      • Russell says:

        I could see BB trading up, as roster openings are very limited. More likely trade back, maybe getting a pick or two for next year, & this year.

  16. Russell says:

    Looking at a QB’s stats it’s important to keep in mind the scheme he is in, & the quality of his receivers, as part of the QB’s states. Intangibles are very important as well, QB coaching, personality, work ethic, family values, ability to learn . These are thing you can not teach. Look at why Bill Parcells liked QB Brissett.

    If I’m an NFL GM, no-way I want Josh Rosen as the face of my franchise. Garoppolo has a great franchise look, and in this QB draft , that’s part of what I look for, like Josh Allen,
    Lamb, Falk, Finley, ect.,
    The Patriots, will be considering intangibles, I believe 50/50 with stats.

    • steve earle says:

      Considering intangibles, are you saying Bill will draft a QB or is that applying to all picks?

      • Russell says:

        intangibles are important for ALL Patriot draft picks, BUT even more so for a QB that’s going to be the face of your Franchise.
        What are the Bears thinking with their head coach hire????? A QB coach back ground I guess???

    • kevin z says:

      Who do you think has most value on this list of Edge rushers? Stephen? just asking trying get most info can. had much better grasp of players in last draft so far.

      Not best at judging QB’s but seems to me falk best fit where think can get him?
      If we would to draft a QB what rd think best to draft one and which QB you prefer what rd?

      Reason I like falk is knows where ball going when throws it along with makes more than one read.
      other than that cant judge A QB to save my life until hits nfl lol

      • Stephen J says:

        Kevin when you say who has the most value there are two types of value one is a player who is seen as a say 2nd rounder but has slipped due to injury the 2nd type is a player who is seen as lets say a mid round pick but has untapped potential to be better because they were just asked to play one role where they maybe able to play more roles but weren’t asked to.

        With that being said on this list there are 2 players who may have value here and the Pats may target

        1 Kylie Fitts 6’4″ 260-268 He is seen as a late round to undrafted player. He is a 5th year Senior he sat out one year for transfer reasons. He has only had 1 season where he was fully healthy the other 3 he was injured. In his Senior year he played 8 games missed 5 due to injury. In 2015 was his only year fully healthy where he played in 13 games. When he was healthy he was decent stat wise
        21 Solo Tackles 8.0 TFL 7.0 Sacks 10 PBU’s 1 QBH 4 FF 1 Block Kick. So due to being injured most of the time and being a 5th year senior he could be a productive person if he can stay healthy who made be had as a late to undrafted person.

        2 Davin Bellamy, Georgia
        He is the type of player who was asked to play a certain role who may or may not be able to do more and if he can he will bring you more value.

        The other players on this list are either players the Pats wouldn’t be interested in or wouldn’t be considered Value. They will be drafted where they are equal to or higher than their deemed value is due to demand.

        Now as far as Luke Falk goes IF the Pats are targeting him I would say since they took Jimmy G in the 2nd round pick 64 overall it will be no later than that but since his stats are slightly better possibly earlier with the 1st 2nd round pick. The only reason I see them using the 1st is if they wanted that 5th year option but right now I would lean towards the 1st 2nd round pick.

        • kevin z says:

          Thanks Stephen for response def helpful. Yea both players seem like good risk to take later.
          usually look to see if have a Hot motor first which both do. Next long arms usually look for
          knowing BB likes guys with NON stop motors reason look for that first

          Well hope falk drops to 2nd then if take him hate to use 1st rd on him.
          if use our 1st on a player wouldn’t mind Falk with either 2nd if there on board

          it early in the process but the 3 guys hope draft are:
          QB Falk if we do choose a earlier one like his accuracy along with make reads. hope get with late second may need use niners pick

          RB Sony Michel like his speed with receiving skills plus can pass protect. hope slips late 2nd to 3 rd..

          Lb Vander Esche Like his effort vs the run plus can rush as well. hoping slips to 4th like trey flowers did.

          Not sure about rds as of now on prospects just scouting reports and Video cutups

        • steve earle says:

          Among those on this list it’s still Davenport and Ejiorfor that stand out to me and should both be taken by us if at all possible. Unless of course they stink up the Sr. Bowl which I doubt.

  17. Stephen J says:

    Division II QB Louis Perez 6’3″ 220 lbs from Texas A&M University Commerce won the Harlon Hill Trophy for NCAA Division 2 College Football Player of the Year. I broke down his career stats from Texas A&M Commerce website here they are
    ………Games…..Attempts…..Completions….Yards….Comp %…Int’s……TD’s
    2017..15……….596………….421…………….4999…..70.64……11………46
    2016..12……….389………….244…………….3236…..62.73…….5……….32
    Total…27……….985………….665…………….8325…..67.51……16………78

    Using the benchmarks here is what they look like for Louis Perez
    ………………………………Benchmarks………..Actual
    Attempts to Int Ratio…….50…………………….61.56
    TD to Int Ration…………..3 to 1………………..4.875
    Games………………………30…………………….27
    Yards/Attempt……………..8.0……………………8.45
    Completion %……………..65.0%……………….67.51
    Passer Rating(QBR)………150.0…………………?????

    So Louis Perez made the 4 out of 6 and possibly 5 out of 6 since QBR wasn’t listed and I don’t know how they calculate it.

  18. Stephen J says:

    Follow up on Pats link to Luke Falk

    With the report that the Pats were linked to Luke Falk I’d thought I’d do a Statistical Comparison between Luke and Jimmy G well here are their College Career Stats.

    ……………….Jimmy G………………Luke Falk
    Height………6’2″……………………..6’4″
    Weight……..222 lbs………………….223 lbs
    Games………45………………………42
    Attempts……1668…………………..2054
    Completions..1047…………………..1403
    Comp %…….62.77………………….68.31
    Yards………..13156………………….14481
    TD……………118…………………….119
    INT…………..51………………………39
    QB Rating…..143.2………………….142.2

    Now I came across two analyst’s that have studied QB’s and what successful NFL QB statistical benchmarks they had from college

    Games Played 30
    Passer Rating 150
    Comp % 65
    Yards/Attempt 8.0
    TD-INT Ration 3-1
    Attempts to Int Ratio 50.0+

    So what you would be looking for from a Statistical point of view is a QB whose stats achieved/eclipsed at least 3/6 but preferably 4/6 benchmarks.

    Two things here I was surprised at how similar Jimmy G and Luke Falk were. Secondly even though they were similar one thing stood out to me about the two and that was Jimmy G’s Int to TD ratio and Attempt to Int Ratio and that seems to have carried over as of right now Jimmy G has 12 TD’s to 5 Int’s which is 2.4 and his college career averaged 2.31. While I was pleasantly surprised by Falk’s ratio’s and how they matched to the 2 analysts and what they used. So how did Falk do

    Games Played 42…Check
    Attempts to Int at 52.67…Check
    TD/Int Ratio 3.05….Check
    Comp % 68.31….Check
    Yards/Attempts came in at 7.05….XXX
    QBR rating came in at 142.22…XXX
    which left him at achieving 4/6 on the analysts benchmark guide to what college qb statistics makes a successful NFL QB

    Now mind you this isn’t the be all end all this is just the Statistical benchmark aspect.

    • Stephen J says:

      For Some perspective here is the Attempts to Int ratio’s for the Top 5 ranked QB’s in this years draft as well as 1st round QB’s from the previous 3 years from Dane Brugler

      https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/949124295120257024

    • kevin z says:

      this for fun just throwing it out there.
      think will trade 1st rd pick if fav player of BB’s off board for a 2nd and 4th rd pick
      Then trade niners pick for a another 2nd rd an 4rd pick
      that gives him more picks where I believe he likes to pick.
      Gives BB plenty of options to pick or make more trades

  19. JH says:

    Obviously Ryan Finley was my binkie this year but since he’s returning for school I’ve been looking at some of the other quarterbacks in this class and there’s a few that have a lot of potential. I think if Baker Mayfield were to fall to the second round he may be worth a shot, but I don’t think he will. However, I think he’s the only “top tier” QB that has a chance of falling to us and I think he could be a successful QB in the NFL. With that being said, I’ve been impressed by 4 other quarterbacks that should be available in the mid to late rounds.

    – Mike White
    – Alex McGough
    – Taylor Lamb
    – Dalton Sturm

    My favorite QB on this list is, surprisingly, is Alex McGough. Most of you probably don’t even know who he is, but I really think he’s worth a mid-round pick. He’s 6’3″ 220 with a big arm, good release, has decent stats, and is very mobile. He runs a variety of formations (including under center) and he makes multiple reads on most plays. He rarely threw bad interceptions on film too as most of them were either jump ball situations or were tipped. On top of all that, he’s been described as a great leader (4 year starter) and his coach raves about him. McGough may be my new QB binkie.

    • JH says:

      I found out that McGough actually broke his collarbone in his final game at FIU (vs. Temple in the Gasparilla Bowl) and it happened on their first offensive drive. He stayed in for about 5 more plays until FIU was forced to call a timeout and he didn’t return. They ended up losing 28-3. Obviously it stinks he got injured but I’m sure he will heal just fine and this shows not only how important he was to his team’s success but also his toughness to stay in the game with a broken collar bone. The more I research this guy the more apparent it is that he’s got great character to go along with his skills as a quarterback.

      I also found he was the 6th best ranked QB this year by PFF, who also rates him out as one of the best QB’s against the blitz too. Not too shabby.

  20. Stephen J says:

    Kevin Z curious as to why RB Kerryon Johnson he is Mike Gillislee 2.0.
    Here is what I mean when you look at them physically

    Kerryon Johnson is 6’0″ 212
    Mike Gillislee is 5’11” 209 lbs

    When you look at their last year of college stats

    ………………….Kerryon Johnson…………..Mike Gillislee
    Run Attempts..285…………………………..244
    Yards…………..1391…………………………1152
    Run TD………..18…………………………….10
    Pass Recptions.24…………………………….16
    Pass Yards…….194…………………………..159
    Pass TD………..2……………………………..1

    Although Kerryon is slightly better than Gillislee here is the same type of RB and the big reason for why Gillislee is sitting this year is mainly a running back who can catch but when he is in he is there to run the ball and not catch so they crowd the line because he is there to mainly run the ball and Johnson would be the same creature who has slightly better stats but doesn’t change the defenses scheme because he isn’t much of a threat for receiving he is in there to run the ball.

    Another thing is even though Gillislee hasn’t done it with the Pats he did kick returns on ST’s in college though in a limited role just like Johnson has as well. I wouldn’t ask either to do it only in an emergency but the point being is they are the same type of player and it seems that the Pats want to move on from Gillislee mainly because he is just more of a runner who can catch but is there to run the ball just like Kerryon.

    So with that in mind wouldn’t you want a RB who is a threat to run and catch equally so that it is more difficult for defenses to defend against that. Ideally that RB could also block real good as well but at least be a dual threat.

    • kevin z says:

      thanks Stephen made some good points. Reason Picked Johnson was liked his patience as a runner waits for blocks.
      the more think about it mayb better to take a Sony Michel from GA or Martez Carter from Grambling st.
      think both can rush enough and catch so don’t know what the offense is doing

      Stinks QB Finley coming back guess helps my case for 2 RB in draft.
      draft QB in 19 Draft to many needy for one in this upcoming one

      • steve earle says:

        Agree a QB this year seems extravagant given the current needs. I think a lot of fans get so focused on the glamour positions that they take the foundation (O-line & D-line) for granted. I see our 2018 backfield as Lewis, Burkhead, Devlin as near sure things. White and Bolden possible but questionable and Gillislee as expendable. Will BB draft a RB? Possible but only late unless a real value comes to us.

        • kevin z says:

          Agreed believe take care of Oline. could lose Solder after this season Mason after next season .
          agree with DL just in case lose m brown or trey flowers after next season.
          If lose lewis in the least draft one RB mayb even do if keep lewis.

          Does anybody think there is a chance if a player BB loves doesn’t drop that will trade our 1st as well as niner 2nd or own 2nd for more picks?
          a lil early but seems to me could Kill the 2nd rd -4 rd to cover for our weaknesses?
          like said early but looking like draft good in that area just a thought though

        • steve earle says:

          @ kevin: Always a chance Bill trades down any pick if he feels value is not there he’s done that often in the past. Many of us believe he will trade either our 1st or the SF 2nd could even be both, who knows?

      • Stephen J says:

        Kevin RB Martez Carter had 394 rush attempts plus 73 receptions for a total of 467 touches in which he fumbled 10 times. Meaning he fumbled the ball 1 out of every 46.7 touches.

        • kevin z says:

          Good point way too many fumbles just knew was good at catching for a RB.
          onto the next RB lol cant fumble for BB that’s for sure

  21. Stephen J says:

    Ryan Finley has decided to return. That’s one QB that’s been mentioned here of the board.

  22. GM-in-Training says:

    I have a maybe-new take on ESPN’s piece alleging discord in the Pat’s organization.

    Per https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/1/5/16853516/how-much-truth-espn-story-describing-problems-new-england-tom-brady-bill-belichick-robert-kraft, I think ESPN is doing this as part hit piece because someone there really does have an grudge against the Pats, and part click-bait made up scandal.

    That said, the bigger question is what, if any, impact will this have on the Pats?

    Right now, I’m leaning towards, It will fire them up. It’s not quite like the destroyer mission after all the BS of deflategate, but it does provide fodder for Pats-against-the-world focusing exercise…if the majority of the team sees it as an unfair narrative.

    • Stephen J says:

      OK how do you know its not BB who put those reports out there to use as an excuse to fire up the team. Not saying its true just saying.

    • Stephen J says:

      One possibility that I am pondering is this. The report mentioned BB to the Giants what a joke not going to happen for many reasons but what if BB did want to leave to some where else where would that place be and why?

      Let me start with the why.
      It looks like both Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia are leaving after the season. Other possibilities are Monti Ossenfort and Nick Caserio leaving for GM positions. Then what about Dante Scarnecchia is he up for another year. If all decide to leave else where or retire so be it BB does have their replacements but would it seem like a rebuild/transition that he would rather do somewhere else and not have to put up with some of the things BB doesn’t care for less media less NFL regulations etc. What place could offer him that and still not effect the Patriots in a competitive way. How about the Head coaching job at Navy BB’s boyhood team. Navy has just lost 2 straight games against Army and might look for a change. Could that change be with BB and will it be this year or next when his contract runs out. I don’t think Robert Kraft lets him go to another NFL while he is under contract but if BB wanted to coach Navy Kraft might let him go to pursue his boyhood dream while having no adverse effects to the team outside of losing the best Head Coach there is a year earlier.
      Again I am not saying it happens just contemplating the possibility.

      • GM-in-Training says:

        The whole idea of BB going anywhere else seems weird to me.

        He has such a legacy in NE. Why would he want to mess with that?

        It takes years to set up a system like his. He needs smart, versatile, team-first players (preferably from Rutgers).

        The only scenario that even remotely passes the sniff test is that BB wants to prove he can do it somewhere else.

        • Stephen J says:

          It’s his boyhood dream to coach Navy. No other reason need apply. I do agree with you that He has such a legacy in NE and it is going to end sometime but how would going to Navy be messing with that?

          As far as it takes years to set up a system like his. He was originally hired in Jan 2000 and in the very next season Feb 2001 he won the Super Bowl so it didn’t take years just 1.

          As far as he needs smart, versatile, team-first players isn’t that what the military is all about training people to be smart versatile and team first because your life may depend on it.

        • Stephen J says:

          Ultimately it comes down to BB and what he wants and thinks not what we want and think. Does BB want to live his Boyhood dream and coach Navy(If that is even on the table/being offered) or does he want to build another winning dynasty without/after Tom Brady to prove he can win Championships and Super Bowls without TB12 and eclipse Don Shula’s all time wins record. I know I would love to see the later.

      • Russell says:

        Ha HA no way Belichick goes to N.Y.G., remember he is coach & GM in New England which allows him to build his team.
        DC Patricia will not leave New England, as he’s likely a retiring Belichicks coaching replacement. I would say the same about Caserio, When BB retires he moves into Patriots GM job.
        So why leave, just a matter of time.

      • steve earle says:

        Navy, well yea but Navy had a good record and dominated their bowl game. Is current Navy coach looking to move on? Don’t know but even so would BB really want to drop down to that level football? As for Giants only with Kraft’s blessing and Giant’s owner doesn’t dare make a move (tamper) because of the sure penalty and Giants need a new HC now so timing is way off. News paper dreaming.

  23. Russell says:

    Before looking at the draft, let’s look at next years Roster. Money was freed-up with the Garoppolo trade.
    1.) Nate Solder resigns for two more years.
    2.) CB Butler resigns or is the franchise tag
    3.) RB’s Burkhead , Lewis are resigned, Gillislee is released.
    4.) TE Bennett , plays next yr. TE Allen is released.
    5.) DT Branch is released
    6.) S Jordon Richards????/
    7.) LB Harris is released, LB Harrison signs a 1 yr. deal.
    8.) Questions; Slater retires? Ebner ? McCullen? Cyrus Jones? Valentine? Langi? Garcia?
    Lot’s of Questions , but as long as Brady is the QB the team will be built around him.

    • Turbo says:

      1) Agreed.
      2) 8-9 mil/year at the most. Franchise tag no way in hell.
      3) Agreed.
      4) Allen cut…yes please. Would be nice to keep Bennett, but not 7mil/per year.
      5) Agreed.
      6) Cut please.
      7) Cut both of them.

      • steve earle says:

        You may be right on 2. franchise tag “no way in hell”, but it could happen? On 7. Why both? We need to see how the draft and off season shapes up. Plus if Harrison makes serious impact in post season how do you cut him?

        • Turbo says:

          Franchise tag on Butler seems unlikely considering the Pats didn’t want to re-sign him for big money in the first place. FT for a CB next year is going to be 15mil+.

          I don’t really care how good Harrison is going to be. He’s almost 40 and we have a bunch of rotational guys at DE. Rivers and Keionta Davis are on IR as well.

        • steve earle says:

          Right on Butler but never can tell. Not saying your wrong just that I’m not saying Russell is wrong either. As for Harrison, 40 or not if he can still play and be an impact another year wouldn’t hurt. Much depends on the off season and draft and all we can do is guess there. Nothing is off the table at this point, just to soon to tell.

        • Turbo says:

          Few reason we signed Harrison in the first place:

          -We have so many guys on IR we have to fill the roster.
          -He had about 50 snap in the whole season, so his fresh.
          -He played really good last year against KC’s tackle Eric Fisher…potential first round opponent in the playoff.
          -He’s basically playing for free.

          I don’t think it’s reasonable to think he’s coming back next year, unless he puts up insane numbers in the playoff and even if he does, he has to come back cheap. We didn’t have space in the 53 roster last year for a few guys who impressed in the preseason like Austin Carr and next year we’re going to have 1st and 2nd rounders as locks, so it’s going be even harder.

    • steve earle says:

      Good break down especially agree CB Butler resigned or tagged. At your #8 Cyrus Jones I see his cap hit would be pretty high so wonder if he stays because of that or if the roster spot will take presidence?

    • Stephen J says:

      According to Patscap as of now the Pats will have about a $13M in 2018 cap space (before cutting players with 2018 salaries). You will also need approx $8M in draft related issues as well which will bring you down to $5M. So those projections aren’t realistic as of right now.

      • Stephen J says:

        Namely Lewis Solder and Butler as of right now all 3 will not be able to get big contracts(Average $ Contracts from that position) from the Pats they just don’t have the cap space as of right now. Have to go through and see what 2018 players can be cut/released and what their salaries are but as of right now I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 of those 3 are gone next year. As of right now Solder is the biggest ? 1 He’s the greatest need who will replace him if he doesn’t return usually you have at least 1 year development at LT before the LT retires/moves on and right now there really isn’t an ideal one 2 His contract will likely be the biggest covering all of that cap space + some. There are some more tough decisions coming on the horizon.

      • Turbo says:

        Most of these guys are not going to be here next year:

        Bennett: 6,5M
        Allen: 5M
        Branch: 3,7M
        Harris: 2,3M
        Britt: 1,5M
        Gillislee: 2,4M
        Richards: 1M
        McClellin: 2,3M

        That’s 25M for cap save. Burkehead missed half of the season so he may extend for a 1 year “prove yourself” contract. I think Dion Lewis found home here and could and up with a contract like James White. Solder is the biggest question for me. I would like him to extend, but wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he wants to retire and spend more time with his family.

        • steve earle says:

          Of this list My thinking is Bennett would be the only one I would worry about not staying and even that depends on his shoulder. I agree Solder is the biggest question and given his sons health problems it seems likely retiring is a strong option for him. Couldn’t blame him either. That would move OT right up to the top in the needs list seems to me. Garcia is just another question as to his status.

        • Stephen J says:

          The only two I question on the list is
          1 Bennett stated after going on IR that he was returning next year. Now will that be true in a couple of months when off season training kicks in we will see.
          2 TE Allen he is most likely STAYing for all the crap he has taken the most over looked part of his game was his blocking he was a tremendous help in not only opening holes for RB’s on the right side but also greatly assisted Cameron Fleming. If it wasn’t for him Cameron Fleming would of received the praise he did recently for filling in for starter Marcus Cannon and backup La Adrian Waddle. So many on here are calling for OL replacement to help better protect Brady and yet in the next statement are wanting to get rid of major contributor in bringing that about.

          https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/948428919618842629

          So if you are not bringing him back who is going to replace his production there?

          Since those are the two biggest contracts on the list taking up the rest that’s on this list combined it still doesn’t leave much room. This kind of ties into that but the other thing I didn’t mention directly but did indirectly that needs to be taken into consideration is Free Agency how much is going to be allotted there.

        • steve earle says:

          @ Stephen: Recognize Allen’s blocking but a back up OT could fill that roll. The discussion at moment is around cape space to a large degree so that factors into if he stays or goes not how we protect Brady as long as Brady is protected.

        • Stephen J says:

          Fleming is a back up Tackle who needed his help and has years in the Pats system so a new back up Tackle is not likely going to fill that role next year. That back up Tackle if you get one will be replacing either Fleming or Waddle maybe even both since both of their contracts are up as well.

  24. kevin z says:

    January Mock Draft (just for fun): since scott as well allen staying in school had change Mock a lil bit.

    2ND- dE Ejiorfor
    2rd –DT(trade) 2nd – Poona Ford
    2nd –LB – LB Miach Kiser ,(Sr.) Virginia
    (trade) 3rd –RB Kerryon Johnson
    3rd – Damon Webb SS Ohio State
    4th – Cody O’Connell OL Wash. St.
    6th – RB Ryan Nall, Oregon State: The Power back for short downs
    7th- QB Lamb

    • Russell says:

      I Like LB Kiser,DT Ford, and QB Lamb. I also like DT Maurice Hurst, but I think Buffalo takes him with one of their two 1st round picks.

      • steve earle says:

        I like Hurst too and by some miracle he were to come down to us, boy would he look good in Pat’s blue. He’s just so quick and strong he gets penetration inside (That sounds so dirty) and is disruptive as heck. Well it’s not very likely but it’s fun dreaming.

        • kevin z says:

          I like Hurst as well if Buff get him no biggy, Adam Butler doing nice things pressure wise inside. need work vs run but think will work to be much better at it

        • steve earle says:

          @ kevin: Like what A Butler is doing and may become and even so would like one more DT pick up as expecting Branch is gone one way or another. Hopefully someone who can crush the pocket and stuff the run.

        • Stephen J says:

          The man who has replaced Alan Branch while he has been out and replaces him for breaks when he plays Lawrence Guy has been doing well and coming on strong since getting more time. He has also played DE similar to Richard Seymour. While it took some time to learn the system both DE and DT he is now paying dividends.

        • kevin z says:

          I agree we should get DT to CTP + stop run but Hurst not a must
          but would be a nice pick though wouldn’t complain with it its a position of need

    • steve earle says:

      I like this mock much better kevin and if your right that we lose a couple RB’s we have now it makes good sense. Good job.

      • kevin z says:

        Thanks Steve guess see before draft what RB’s we have, then see if my Mock makes sense at all lol.. Like the other picks as well, need to draft some Big People, as they say in this draft. Whether on O or on D

  25. Russell says:

    Trade Mock;

    BB trades 1st pick to Washington for DE/LB Ryan Kerrigan 6′ 4″ 265 lbs. age 29
    2nd ; (49ers) – BB trades to Arizona for 3d, & 6th 2018 and 4th 2019.
    2nd ; S- Quin Blanding
    3nd ; (Arizona) DT Kaylon “Poona” Ford
    3d ; OL Braden Smith
    4th; Comp. OL Tyrell Cosby
    6th; (Arizona) DT Nifae Lealao
    6th ; QB Taylor Lamb

    • td says:

      Is Washington looking to get rid of Kerrigan? Also, what’s his contract? If he has multiple years left it would probably take more than a 1st.

  26. kevin z says:

    January Mock Draft (just for fun):
    2ND- dE Ejiorfor

    2rd –RB(trade) 2nd – RB Scott Mich State
    2nd – DE – Zach Allen (Jr.) Boston College
    (trade) 3rd – LB Miach Kiser ,(Sr.) Virginia
    3rd – Damon Webb SS Ohio State
    4th – Cody O’Connell OL Wash. St.
    6th – RB Ryan Nall, Oregon State: The Power back for short downs
    7th- QB Lamb
    Free Agency:
    Resign marquis Flowers. speed helps along with Van noy.
    RB Mike G RB lewis along with Burkhead mayb gone.
    Lewis for bigger money grab. G for lack of performance . Burkhead for health reasons. White only one on longer contract really.
    got the DE guys for if Trey flowers leaves after next year. he along with Wise can mentor them. Got the LB to Keep the Youth going for Lb position with tower always hurt.
    SS got one to learn from Chung for a year.
    Late Qb to develop for a year. until pick higher one in 19 draft. when release hoyer so have 2 young Qbs to try to develop

    • steve earle says:

      Well if all our RB’s are going to be let go then yea maybe we draft a RB with out 1st pick but maybe not. If BB thinks RB’s are that dime a dozen value he wouldn’t likely spend that high a pick on one or the contract cost for that matter. Otherwise it’s a very good mock kevin.

    • Turbo says:

      LJ Scott and Zach Allen are both staying for their senior years.

  27. steve earle says:

    Maybe it’s just me having played on the line in HS that I think lines are key to success in football. Maybe having the GOAT QB for years covers for make do linemen on both sides of the line, I don’t know? But at some point it’s likely going to catch up with us especially as relates to keeping TB healthy. WE have a good set of RB’s, WR’s and DB’s but need serious help on the Off and Def lines and LB’s so why the fascination with skill players in this draft? We’re not picking in the top half of any but the 2nd SF pick of the rounds. This should be the year to rebuild our foundations to assure future success. Just a thought to be considered.

    • GM-in-Training says:

      I used to think starting LT had to be high 1st rdrs and RT had to be decent 2nd rdrs, but the 3 RT we’ve used this year belie that. They’ve all had years in the system, though.

      We did draft an athletic 6’7″ kid who needed a year to bulk up, and ended on NFI. Maybe that’s the Foxboro flu. Dunno.

      We have some pretty athletic G. They can be drafted as short athletic, short college LT, and converted, alla Thuney.

      That said, I don’t think we’ve got a replacement for Solder.

      Garcia might eventually be a RT.

      • steve earle says:

        Yes agree with that assessment as you can see by my mock taking D-linemen before O-line though that is somewhat a function of needs. As for Solder’s he’s up in the air if he will be back? Garcia’s illness isn’t the flu so his future is also a question. Our center and guards are athletic enough but have a problem when pitted against big physical DT’s. To many times we have watched Brady get pounded because these guys were driven back into his face and he couldn’t step up. In a perfect draft we should take a D-linemen then an O-linemen then D and then O but that won’t happen in reality. Still the goal should be serious upgrades not make do.

      • Stephen J says:

        That NFI Tackle you are referring to is Andrew Jelks who is 6’6″ and 307 lbs according to the Pats Roster from Vanderbilt has not played in a game since the 2014 season: Andrew Jelks, who missed both his junior and senior seasons due to back-to-back ACL tears suffered during preseason workouts.
        This from Doug Kyed during a period when they were looking to take him off NFI I Asked Belichick how rookie OT Andrew Jelks looks on the practice field after he hasn’t played football for two years: “Like he hasn’t played football for two years.”
        Then choose to not activate him and as such finished the season on NFI.
        So not looking good for him maybe it’s time to move on.

    • kevin z says:

      Thinking with so many teams drafting QB this year, if the one bill likes doesn’t slip trade for more 2nd rd picks. Get a OT DL Lb RB with the 2nd rd picks, along with the 4th rounder . The OT helps Brady as well does the RB. also would help with young QB Pats draft in 19 draft.

      Its a thought been having which could help Brady Next year and Helps the Pats Future sadly without Brady someday not around

      • steve earle says:

        Sounds about right though not sure yet that a RB should be included that high given our current list there. Probably if BB lets one or more of them go we could get a vet FA RB. I see Lewis being resigned, he’s just so dynamic, unless he want’s some huge $$$$. the only one not in Bill’s plans might be Gillislee and I can easily see him replaced by a vet.

        • kevin z says:

          yea I included a RB was thinking losing lewis which hate. I meant to put take RB in 4th rd, after trading our 1st for more 2nd rd picks.

  28. JH says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRXya6OSze0

    Basically everything I like about Ryan Finley was shown on one single play from the Sun Bowl. The play starts at the 27 second mark of the video link above. Quick release, great footwork, makes multiple reads, and throws a pinpoint 50 yard pass with pressure in his face. His biggest knock is questionable arm strength, but after watching a lot of him I can see that he has more than enough of it and just needs to use it more often, and this sort of play leads me to believe I may be right on that. Combine all this with his athletic ability, familiarity with a pro-style offense, prototypical size, and lower draft status and I think this is a great prospect for the Pats to look at. He’s not a flashy quarterback which means we could maybe get him in the second round. As a side note to the athletic ability, I believe there’s a video on YouTube that shows him dunking in a high school basketball game (I’m pretty sure it’s him). He really is an underrated athlete, and I’m really hoping he declares for the draft.

    • steve earle says:

      Has Finley come out for the draft? I haven’t checked. Looked at him on Draft Scout but they have no round rating yet and also still have him as a 2019 prospect.

  29. JH says:

    January Mock Draft (same as before):

    2nd – SS Kyzir White, West Virginia

    (trade) 2nd – DE Marcus Davenport, UTSA: If he dominates the offseason there’s no way he falls this far.

    2nd – QB Ryan Finley, N.C. State

    (trade) 3rd – LB Darius Leonard, South Carolina State

    3rd – CB Brandon Facyson, Virginia Tech

    4th – OT Brandon Parker, NC A&T

    6th – RB Ryan Nall, Oregon State: He’s officially declared for the draft, and I can’t imagine a better value pick. Can play special teams and be a situational power back early on and develop into a workhorse down the road. He’s a do-everything type back.

    7th – DT Folorunso Fatukasi, UConn

    Free Agency:
    Sign Dontari Poe
    Sign Aaron Lynch

    • steve earle says:

      You have some good prospects for sure I just see no need taking a Saf at the top of our draft while we have 3 very good players already on board. Agree if Davenport dominates no way he goes down to 2nd rd may not survive for BB to take him with our 1st. That would be to bad as I think he would be a great fit.

  30. Stephen J says:

    Prospect A 6’4″ 275 lbs
    198 Tackles
    54.5 TFL
    25 Sacks
    4 PBU
    6 FF
    24 QBH

    Prospect B 6’4″ 265 lbs
    226 Tackles
    39.5 TFL
    20.5 Sacks
    3 PBU
    3 FF
    21 QBH

    Both similar Height Weight Wise
    Both play same Position
    Both played some level of competition
    One is being hyped as a 1st rounder(well deservedly) the other is hardly mentioned at all with some considering him a 6th-7th round pick with one saying he is a top 100 pick.
    Now don’t get me wrong the picture is incomplete one will test better athletically than the other and one looks better on tape but both achieve very similar results

  31. Russell says:

    Another interesting Prospect, DE/OLB J.D. Waggoner 6’3″ 248 lbs. Iowa State, Limited tape, strong tackler.

  32. Russell says:

    Would BB trade up to get a prospect ???? Cleveland’s 1st round 4th pick would be a possible target to get DE Bradley Chubb.
    To get the pick; BB would need to send the Patriots 1st, 2nd (49ers)& a player CB Jonathen Jones, to get the pick.
    Cleveland may be interested if they Sign free agent QB; A.J. McCarron and don’t look to draft a QB high.
    This would give Cleveland a late 1st, and 4 second round picks, a 3d, and 2 4th round picks.

    • Turbo says:

      There’s no way Cleveland would accept this trade, and even if they did, you draft your future franchise QB with that pick and not a DE. Bradley Chubb is no Myles Garrett nor Joey Bosa…he’s more like Derek Barnett.

    • steve earle says:

      Agree with Turbo. With limited picks already can’t see BB trading up at all. It’s only a question of if he trades down our 1st or the 2nd (SF pick). He could even make more trades to get more picks for this and next year as he has often done before.

  33. Daniel Sullivan says:

    Patriots Mock Draft
    1 Riley Ferguson QB Memphis
    2 Roquan Smith LB Georgia
    2 Tremain Edwards LB Virginia Tech
    3 Damon Webb SS Ohio State
    4 Mason Cole G Michigan
    6 DaeSean Hamilton WR Penn State

    Red Sox nation will be warmed up soon as look for Sox to Sign JD Martinez and
    Greg Holland RP.

    • steve earle says:

      Not even one D-linemen?

      • Daniel Sullivan says:

        Steve,

        Tremain Edwards would be the same position as Derek Rivers a rushing Defensive End/OLB
        He is 6-5,250 I actually think the Patriots getting faster on defense may help more
        than anything also getting Hightower back can greatly help.

      • carlo strada says:

        no need to, as stated above, they ll be fine with 2 gappers, and letting the LB´s do the job… in passing downs they already have a decent rotation of guys to bring heat on

        • steve earle says:

          I disagree carlos. I believe our def can be greatly improved with a impact DE and OLB. I am targeting Davenport as the OLB and Ejiorfor at DE for upgrades and depth. Injuries can and will happen so it’s a must to have high quality rotational starter players in key positions as these.

  34. GM-in-Training says:

    How dinged up is Brady right now?

    Last season, he only played 12 regular-season games, and still looked pretty fresh when the playoffs rolled around.

    This season, after 12 games he seemed to be nursing lower leg and shoulder problems that are affecting his short-ball zip and long-ball accuracy.

    They don’t have as reliable a 4-yards-no-matter-what rusher as Blount was last year. Receivers have a harder time holding on to the ball because of who they are, how they do or don’t get fully open, and it’s flippin’ cold.

    I think they’re still formidable, and they’ve made interesting late season additions in proven big receivers and LB. I’m just worried if the dings are going to cost the QB some of that necessary edge.

    • steve earle says:

      4 Yards no matter what? Seems to me that’s slightly exaggerated as I remember it? But your main point, is Brady nicked up? Seems like it to me too. No wonder, I haven’t counted but my impression is he has taken a lot of hits this year basically due to our o-line not able to protect him properly. Thankfully our running game has improved. If our line doesn’t do a better job in pass protection Tom’s not going to last very much longer.

    • Stephen J says:

      As far as the RB goes we may not have that downhill power runner that Blount is but we are doing it with Dion Lewis and his finesse. From GuadyStats Here are

      5 interesting @DionLewisRB stats:

      1) @Patriots are undefeated when he carries the ball 10+ times

      2) #1 in yards generated after first evaded tackler (2.7 yards per carry)

      3) #2 in yards per carry amongst RBs (5.0)

      4) #2 in all purpose yards (1680)

      5) 0 drops in past 2 years

      Doug Kyed also pointed this out today

      Dion Lewis caught 32 of 35 targets for a 91.4% catch rate this season. He led the NFL by 3.2 percentage points.
      He didn’t have any drops.

      Me being funny here.
      So the key to winning is just feed Dion Lewis the ball 10 times and the Pats will win. No need to worry about Brady and his accuracy or the OL protecting Brady

  35. Stephen J says:

    If NE where to go for a WR what do you think the order of precedent is 1) a slot type 2) a mid range that can play slot and outside or 3) a large body WR that’s a good RZ target?

    Right now I’m thinking
    1st A large body WR
    2nd Mid Range
    3rd Slot

    • steve earle says:

      Can’t see a WR early so that will make it a best available irregardless of type it seems to me.

    • Russell says:

      WR like Allen Lazard 6’4″ 225 lbs. not a fast guy, but a mismatch guy in the slot, or joker TE position, some what like Hernandez was. Good hands, solid route runner, yet able to take hits in the middle..

  36. Stephen J says:

    Loved the Oklahoma Georgia game yesterday. Wasn’t sure who I was going to root for before the game started but found myself pulling for Oklahoma.

    Is it just me or did Oklahoma’s Ogbonnia Okoronkwo remind anybody else of James Harrison. Now I’m not saying he is James Harrison just that his build physique is similar to James Harrison. I’ve heard of him several times but that was the 1st time watching him and Baker play.

    • steve earle says:

      Wow, was that a great game or what! Having no skin in the thing I was cheering every great play by either side, and there were plenty. I say again wow!

  37. Stephen J says:

    Just read Eric Galko’s article detailing QB’s

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-draft-rumors-quarterbacks-sam-darnold-baker-mayfield-josh-rosen/k2o3vl3ntwmv130v4xuwokguq

    In it he mentions from what he has heard that he predicts the Pats and Luke Faulk
    Mike White and the Bills, Lamar Jackson- Jets, and Kyle Lauletta-Packers

    He also mentions it’s possible but not likely that Baker Mayfield will be drafted top 5 by the Browns

    Earlier today a tweet from Ian Rappaport says that the Browns will use their #1 pick on him.

    Just me here but I just wonder if the Browns are saying that to entice Josh Rosen out to then select him instead

    Fun Fun draft season has begun.

    • Russell says:

      IF I’m Clevelands GM I draft RB Barkley 1st, then DE Chubb , then trade Chubb to New England for 1st, 2nd(49ers) & CB Jonathan Jones. Then Sign QB free agent, C.J. McCarron . Then use late 1st and 4 second round picks to get talent, like;
      WR James Washington
      OL Billy Price
      WR Christian Kirk
      OL Martinas Rankin
      LB Lorenzo Carter
      Then use 3d pick for K Daniel Carson, 4th pick, DT PoonaFord, 4th pick, LB Marquis Haynes, etc.

  38. Stephen J says:

    Here is a Pass Rusher that I came across tonight. His name is Brian Womack of Rice. He is listed as 6’2″ 250 lbs. His Senior Stats from CFBStats are
    45 Solo….22.0 TFL…..10.0 Sacks…..7 QBH

    He set the Rice single season TFL record with 22.0 this year previous mark was 21.0 from 2001
    PFF has him as the Highest Pass Rush Productivity among Edge Defenders with 50 QB pressures on 239 pass rush snaps

    Here is a video with highlights of him against UTSA. Below I listed 6 plays and where they are located in the video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEbw-As1kA

    Brian Womack is 44 in White

    1 Great Hussle play initially sets the Edge on left but play breaks down in the Center/Right and he chases him down for the tackle at the 1:27-1:39 mark

    2 Nice Open field tackle at the 2:57-3:02 mark

    3 Sack 1 from 3:09-3:15 mark

    4 Sack 2 from 3:56-4:02 mark

    5 An over pursuit which leads to a big gain at 4:47-4:55

    6 Sack 3 at 6:07-6:16

    If you watch the whole clip you will also see a couple of Marcus Davenport’s plays as an added extra bonus

    • steve earle says:

      Tried to bring him up on Draft Scout to no eval. Lowly Rice seems below that sites sight range of view, go figure? Anyway did find his stats on the Rice U site. He may be the ultimate sleeper good work Stephen.

    • steve earle says:

      Good highlights and noticed Davenport had nearly as many as Womack.

      • Stephen J says:

        Davenport had 11 Tackles 6 Solo 2.0 Sacks 1 PD and 1 FR for TD while
        Womac had 9 Tackles 7 Solo 3.0 Sacks

        Both put on a show/clinic in that game. It was a fun game to watch I like it when you have someone on both ends to watch and both of them have performances like they did.

  39. Russell says:

    Wonder if Mike saw the Iowa State Game ??? WR Larzard was in my early mock, and he played well ! That Iowa State D was very well coached/played.

    • Stephen J says:

      I watched that game and thought the same thing as well

    • Mike Gerken says:

      Oh, I saw the game! I have had a lot of people ask me about Lazard and where I think he will go. I think he has excellent body control and hands. He will have the occasional focus drop, but he has natural hands for sure. My worry has been and will continue to be his speed. Watching him throughout the years, I think we can expect something in the high 4.5’s, low 4.6’s. He needs to be in the 4.5s to keep his draft stock on day 2.
      I think of Anquan Boldin when I watch him. Struggles to get separation, but wins with his size and his ability to win in traffic.

      • Stephen J says:

        I’m not familiar with Iowa States offense do you think he can handle the complexity of NE offense?

  40. Russell says:

    Another DT the Patriots have no doubt seen on tape from Vanderbilt , were DT Adam Butler played, is Nifae Lealao 6’5″ 315 Lbs. A run stuffer, 3 yrr. SEC Honor roll, runs 5.17 . Interesting guy, again 1-3 gap.

  41. Stephen J says:

    Now that the Bowl games are winding up the Early Declarations are starting to move along
    2 that came out tonight so far is RB Saquan Barkley and one that I’ve been looking at is Washington St Hercules Mata’afa who is listed as 6’2″ 252 also seen 6’1″ 240
    CFBStats
    31 Solo
    22.5 TFL
    10.5 Sacks
    0 PBU
    5 QBH
    2 FF
    The question is can he drop back into coverage and can he set the edge IF so maybe he could fill what James Harrison is doing now. I have my doubts on the coverage part not so much the pressure and just don’t know about the edge part

    I also see that Josh Sweat also made it official tonight I was looking at him as that MLB similiar to Hightower. Here is a comparison of Hightowers Senior Year Stats and Josh’s Junior Year Stats from CFBStats

    Hightower 6’3″ 265 lbs………….Josh Sweat 6’5″ 253 lbs
    41 Solo…………………………….31 Solo
    11 TFL……………………………..12.5 TFL
    4.0 Sacks………………………….5.5 Sacks
    3 PBU’s…………………………….3.0 PBU’s
    7 QBH………………………………6.0 QBH
    1 FF…………………………………0.0 FF

    • steve earle says:

      Only saw Mata’afa against Mich St (2nd half) but he was totally out matched playing inside vs Mich St looked to me. No idea if he can drop into coverage after his hand on the ground for so long? Most likely a DE is in his future. About Sweat, I don’t see him as like Hightower. Looks more a DE to me. Has the right measurements just didn’t move quite the right way as Hightower does. I suppose that’s not very scientific eval but just my gut. Still looks like a good DE prospect.

  42. Stephen J says:

    Man Jimmy G’s lights out play has cost us in terms of the 49ers pick. They now have either the 9th or 10th overall pick a coin toss between them and the Raiders will determine it. That means we will hold the 41st or 42nd overall pick instead of the 34th which is where that pick was before he started playing and winning all those games.

    • steve earle says:

      It’s what we here in NE believed about JG and pretty much confirms to us that we got robbed. But still wish Jimmy all the luck, at least until he comes to town (smile).

    • steve earle says:

      Brings into question in my mind will BB look to trade down out 1st or the 2 (SF) pick? Suppose he could do both but would that really be smart given our needs?

      • Russell says:

        I can see BB trading a pick, but 49ers pick looks like a keeper. The 1st pick comes with a 5th yr. contract option, but comes down to who BB wants, or extra picks.
        Some one in our group , :0) said Harrison would get two sacks in the jets game.

        • steve earle says:

          Agree, BB seems to like that 40 something range for his picks. I’m thinking another 2nd rd pick and a 3rd if he trades down our 1st. That would give us 3 x 2nd rd’ers and 2 x 2nds. It will all depend on who he may be targeting of course and that is always the question.

  43. Stephen J says:

    Harrison. Has lined up on both sides, dropped into coverage, rushed the passer, played the run, set the edge, strip sacked the QB. He is listed as 6’0″ and 242 lbs on the Pats roster. How come Harrison at 242 lbs can set the edge yet guys at 255 kept losing containment. Time to find someone who can do all those things Harrison is doing in the draft. Now it was nice to see all this from Harrison yet I still realize this was a garbage game for the Jets but still good to get the rust off and revved up for the playoffs

    Also nice to see Marquis Flowers and Laurence Guy step up again as well.

    • steve earle says:

      Oh boy, that’s the truth. I realize 255- 270 can help but a guy has to have strength and athleticism too. Finding those guys isn’t easy and sure hope we can this coming draft. Expecting we will be getting some of the injured back before our next game, good thing.

    • GM-in-Training says:

      Harrison can do it fine 30 snaps a game, a few games a year. It gets harder for a shorter 242# to do it over the course of a season.

      Harrison also had something to prove. At least one of his sacks was a hustle sack where he was directed out of the play by his blocker, well past the QB, but then ducked back between two blockers and grabbed the QB (who should probably already have gotten rid of the ball) from behind.

      I’d like to think Harrison can be really effective playing a 4-game season for the Pats. I think that may be what they’ve had in mind for David Harris, too, keeping him fresh. Dunno.

  44. Stephen J says:

    Ok me thinking out loud here. With the Patriots only having 6 picks this year. IF the Patriots target a DT would it be in the mold of Alan Branch who is 6’6″ 350 lbs or someone more like Ricky Jean Francois who is 6’3 313 lbs. The only player similar to AB size wise would be Vita Vea. Now we do have Vincent Valentine who is 6’3″ 320 lbs but is he more Alan Branch type player or Ricky Jean Francois type. Then again isn’t Ricky Jean Francois filling in for Alan Branch. If that’s the case then with Vincent Valentine already in the mix DT would be a lower priority and could draft someone later like Deadrin Senat who is 6’1″ 318 lbs that could be that reserve player in case of injury or no one at all and just sign someone like a Ricky Jean Francios if the need arose.
    Thoughts anyone

    • steve earle says:

      I’v been mocking Derrick Nnadi 6-2 304 because most pro mocks have Vea mid 1st. If Vea came down to our 1st pick I’d take him because Branch’s age is an issue. Rather then wait for a day 3 DT Nnadi could come in and become a part of an interior rotation much sooner and become one of those DT’s that could create pressure up the middle.

      • Stephen J says:

        In all honesty Steve if the Pats go this route I’d rather have Senat over Nnadi you can get the the same level of play at a cheaper price and how many times has BB gone for someone that is well known in the draft community so I may start there but I look for those that are being mocked and try to locate someone that is lesser known who is about the same not necessarily production wise but technique wise. Though Senat’s production wasn’t bad at all either he had 174 career tackles with 61 this year (2nd on the team)and 20.5 TFL’s. They are nearly identical to Nnadi’s That being said Senat is not there now but is starting to move up draft boards with his recent play. Now it’s onto the Shrine game and I wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up at the Senior Bowl if an injury happened if not he will be at the combine so when all is said and done he maybe a late 2nd-3rd rounder.

        • steve earle says:

          I have nothing against someone like Senat just don’t know that much about him yet. In fact until you brought up his name I’d not heard of him before. I don’t know if he was invited to any all star games or the combine but haven’t noticed his name on any prospects list. I’ll recheck and see what I can find but really prefer someone I think I know something about.

        • Stephen J says:

          I hear you Steve same here start with what scouts have out there then take it from there. Oh and maybe by the draft I will be saying Nnadi because Deadrin has surpassed him this is just an assessment of where we are now. Here is a comparison from CFBStats.com of their Senior Year

          ………………..Derrick Nnadi………………. Deadrin Senat
          Solo Tackles…22……………………………..35
          TFL……………10……………………………..10.5
          Sacks…………3.5…………………………….6.0
          PBU……………1.0……………………………0.0
          QBH…………..2.0…………………………….1.0
          FF……………..1.0……………………………..0.0

          PFF had him as the Number 2 Interior Defender in the ACC with 32 stops in run defense behind Ed Oliver of Houston who had 35. Ed Oliver currently projects to be a top 25 player in next years draft.

          He was on PFF’s Defensive Team of the Week twice this year week 5 and week 12 then he was PFF’s highest graded USF player in his Bowl game against South Carolina

        • Stephen J says:

          As of right now Deadrin Senat has accepted his invitation to the Shrine Game and been invited to the Combine.

        • steve earle says:

          I did find he was going to the combine but the Shrine game I hadn’t. Thanks for the heads up I’ll try to follow him.

    • Russell says:

      Watching bowl games Poona Ford looked far better than Via. Ford is 6′ 310 lbs. and was stronger & quicker, and handled double teams well.

      • Stephen J says:

        That’s the other one I heard of but haven’t seen yet thanks Russell

        • Stephen J says:

          Here is Poona Ford’s Stats according to CFBStats
          Senior……………Junior…..Soph
          22 Solo………….40………22
          8.0 TFL………….5.5……..6.0
          1.5 Sacks……….0.0……..2.5
          1.0 PBU…………0.0………1.0
          0.0 QBH………..3.0………1.0
          1.0 FF……………1.0………1.0
          1 Blocked Kick…2.0………0.0

      • steve earle says:

        Looks like a good find Russell. I read he had 20 career sacks. What is your stat sheet for? He’s only 5-11 by draft scout, not that that bothers me much. Be looking for him at the combine too.

        • Russell says:

          DT Ford runs a 4.94, interviews well, (intelligent) team guy, good tape as a run stuffer,, quickness. Plays mostly 1-2 gap.

  45. Stephen J says:

    With so many QB’s laying eggs this Bowl season here is a QB that won the Harlon Hill Trophy Award which is given to the best college football player in Division II and that goes to Texas A&M-Commerce quarterback Luis Perez. He also led his team to victory in their Bowl Game against University of West Florida where he went 23 for 30 for 323 yards 2 TD’s and 1 Int. He stands at 6’3″ 220 lbs.
    Here is his Career Stats http://lionathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3107

    Why take a chance on him well instead of giving up a kings ransom for a QB that maybe a bust in the 1st round you can bring him in as an Undrafted free agent to compete. Here is an article that gives a nice historical backround breakdown of him http://www.espn.com/blog/onenacion/post/_/id/8192/luis-perez-is-the-best-in-div-ii-and-never-played-qb-in-high-school

    Some Highlights from that article is
    1 It was all the little things that added up and stood out. The intangibles like his work ethic and mental toughness. His attitude is fantastic.
    2 “I’m a guy that no matter how much praise I get, I have a chip on my shoulder,” he said. “I know this(Playing Professionally) can happen for me.”
    3 Wade Wilson, former Pro Bowler for the Minnesota Vikings and current the quarterbacks coach for the Dallas Cowboys said he just needs a chance.
    4 2016 Mountain League Coach of the Year Ed Carberry said Luis outworked everyone, he’s a great decision-maker. He’s incredibly and uncannily accurate. Those are two things that give him the ability to compete,” said Carberry. “Can he play at the NFL level? Absolutely.”

    Now am I saying only bring him in and don’t pursue anyone else no. Just bring him in and give him a chance and see what happens what do the Pats have to loose not as much as a high round QB who may not pan out.

    • Russell says:

      I don’t know much about this prospect, but I agree with the idea of a late round or undrafted QB for the Patriots. With QB Tom Brady window closing, drafting prospects at other positions, then a 3d string QB seems wise. I Like QB Taylor Lamb, but there are at least, 4-5 QB’s in the late rounds that are very similar, as developmental prospects.
      Over-all my draft board is shaping up, just need to see which Junior’s are going in the draft. My #1 Patriot prospect, is S-Quin Blanding ( score 94) , who starts on special teams day one. LB- Miach Kiser (score 89) DT Maurice Hurst (score 89) , OL Braden Smith (score 87), OT Trey Adams (knee injury) (score 88) are in my second group.

    • steve earle says:

      Based solely on what you have presented here I think he could be a great kid to bring in to develope. His stats look good, though div 2, but if he can adjust to the upgrade in the nfl he might be a steal?

  46. Stephen J says:

    What playoff team is putting out reports that Lamar Jackson being a WR and not a QB. Sounds like someone wants him to fall so they can select him as a QB.

    Watched Wake Forest and Texas A&M wanted to see Duke Ejiofor and to be honest outside of a couple of plays and some pressure at the end of the game he didn’t really stand out. Real nice game by Kirk though tough as nails.

    Also watched 1st Quarter of the Virginia Tech vs Oklahoma St game before I lost the stream. From what I saw I liked A&M’s WR Marcel Ateman and VT’s CB Greg Stroman and noticed LB Andrew Motuapuaka on a couple of plays

    Last night watched the Stanford TCU game TCU’s Mat Boesen was way more active and productive than Ben Banogu who I was initially watching. I was also watching Stanford’s Harrison Phillips who wasn’t productive but active but also faded down the stretch/end of game. Seems like he could use BB’s hill running to get into better condition for the end of games. The star for Stanford was RB Bryce Love but in the end it wasn’t enough.

    One of the 1st bowl games I watched was Texas Tech vs South Florida and someone that made some plays was DT Deadrin Senat of South Florida who had 3 sacks plus pressures and TFL’s. I just wonder if this was his coming out game where he finally put it all together and it started clicking for him or was it a one game wonder. He seems to have put things together in the last half of the season(6 games) where he has become more productive.

    The other player that made plays for South Florida was Shaquem Griffin he was impressive and for someone that only has one hand it made it even more impressive he has heart grit and determination and it showed in this game.

    Another Bowl game blowout that I saw was SMU vs La Tech. I mainly watched for WR Trey Quinn who scored their only TD and led the team in receptions but his QB was horrendous. The other player I was watching was La Tech Jaylen Ferguson who was ok but wasn’t real productive I was expecting more.

    • Stephen J says:

      Duke Ejiofor today: 5 tackles, 2.0 TFL, 1 QBH. I missed 1 TFL so a little better than I originally thought

  47. Russell says:

    updated mock;
    BB trades 1st to Tennessee for 2nd and 3d 2018.
    2nd (49ers); S – Quin Blanding (Sr.) Virginia
    2nd (Tenn.) ; DE – Zach Allen (Jr.) Boston College
    2nd ;………: OT Trey Adams(Jr.) knee injury , Washington
    3d ; (tenn.) ; LB Miach Kiser ,(Sr.) Virginia
    3d ;…………; DE Chad Thomas , (Sr.) Miami
    4th Comp….: OL Cody OConnell, (sr.) Washington State
    6th ;………..; QB Taylor Lamb, (Sr.) App. State

    • steve earle says:

      I see you too have O’Connell in your mock @ 4th rd. I like Michael Jackson CB there provided he declares which I’ve read he is leaning toward there but if he doesn’t I’d move O’Connell up to the 4 comp like you have him and Rayes SS up to out #6 but who can say at this point. I see you have Baulding S with the 2 SF pick after the trade down where I have my DE there. Can you give your reasoning for a Saf ( not a current need) there?

    • Stephen J says:

      Russell it looks like you will have to update your updated mock

      https://twitter.com/NFLDraft_2018/status/939691845172580353

      Zach Allen announces he will return for his Senior season

      Not sure how accurate it is but Tony Pauline mentioned it earlier in Dec as well

      Good player but will have to wait until next year it looks like

  48. steve earle says:

    Great list Mike, sorry for whatever trouble your having.

    Anyone watching the last couple games I think should be concerned about both our O-line and Def 7. Teams with strong front 4 give our line all they can handle (lucky to beat Pitt) and inconsistent pass rush. I’m convinced my mock of a few weeks ago was on the right track so as a refresher and with slight moderation I submit one more pre-combine mock

    1) Marcus Davenport DE/OLB Tex-San_Anto
    2 SF) Trade down for a mid 2nd and 3rd
    2 Td) Duke Ejiorfor DE Wake Forest
    2) Derrick Nnadi DT Fla St.
    3 Td) Frank Ragnow OL Ark.
    3) Brandon Parker OT NC A&T
    4 comp) Michael Jackson CB Miami
    5 traded
    6) Cody O’Connell OL Wash. St.
    7) Coles Rayes SS N.Dak
    Not prediction just what I would do.

    • steve earle says:

      Watched Mich St destroy Wash St last night. Falk didn’t play so Offense could do very little. My interest was Cody O’Connell the huge LOG with mixed reviews. Heck he will not impress with his 40 time but he can stonewall pass rushers and bulldoze holes for RB’s. I did’n see him give up even a pressure on the QB and he picked up stunts without a problem. Endurance didn’t seem any problem though Mich St kept the Wash St offense on the bench most of the time. I’d still take a chance on him late (as my mock shows) though I might wand him to shed some lbs and come in at around 345-350 lbs. instead of the 368 listed which might even be a little under what his actual weight is, who knows? Not a LT but could try him at RT.

    • Stephen J says:

      Watched Brandon Parker when NC A&T went against Grambling in their bowl game. He had a good game but here is what I noticed. He was a little more athletic than I previously believed but not sure he is athletic enough here is why. On one play he was assigned to block a defensive player who beat him to the spot with speed and ended up making a TFL so speed is not his game. It just so happened that in the Oregon vs Boise St game that same play was run where OT Tyrell Crosby was able to get the defensive player in time to make the block and open the running lane. Now Crosby isn’t really an athletic LT but he was fast enough to make the play. That is just one play in one game it doesn’t mean he is a bad player but definitely made me question is he athletic enough he seems to be a tweener between an athletic LT and a big RT and is that really what the Patriots will be looking for if they decided picking a LT. At least we will get to see more of him at the Senior Bowl and see what his measurements are and how he does there as well as how he tests at his pro day to clarify the picture. Another thing I noticed and it left me wondering is even though statistically he didn’t really give up a sack/pressure that didn’t mean he won his battles just the other OL men gave up pressures and sacks before his man beat him. I saw that on a couple occasions during the game and wondered how many other times during his tenure did this happen.

      • Stephen J says:

        PS on that play he wasn’t even close to being able to block him meaning feet not inches and if he is that far in that division of play how much more so in the NFL.

      • steve earle says:

        I saw that same play vs Grambling so understand your assessment of speed not his game and agree, at least until we get some real measurements from the combine. Given that we will be picking near the end of each round it might not be possible to get that all everything LT even with our 1st rd pick, I don’t know. I’m putting him at the bottom of our 3rd as the best of the limited possibilitys. It might turn out that Solder will be extended making the need for a LOT a lower priority.
        Now as you say the Sr. Bowl should give us a better idea on not only Parker but on many others too. I don’t think I’ll be able to pick that up in my TV package so be relying on assessments from you and others who can.

        • Stephen J says:

          Here is another possibility that nobody seems to be talking about at the moment that I’m just starting to look at

          https://twitter.com/search?vertical=default&q=Cunningham%2C%20Korey

          Korey Cunningham of Cinn 6’6″ 305 lbs

        • Stephen J says:

          Opps wrong link

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRbYajwWsAEA-O2.jpg:large

          Some of the teams he faced this year Michigan UCF South Florida Navy SMU and didn’t allow a sack in 469 pass block attempts not too shabby

          Also here is some more info on Korey Cunningham

          He was a TE in HS In 2016 was a right tackle at 320 lbs this year worked with a trainer and played at 308 lbs at LT

        • steve earle says:

          Can’t find much in the way of film highlights. Sounds interesting but just one of those guys that didn’t stand out for some reason. Even Draft Scout only has minimal basic stuff. Let us know if you find anything.

        • Stephen J says:

          If you want I looked up Cincinnati Bearcats 2017 schedule then went to Youtube and saw what full games interested me that was downloaded. I watched the Cincinnati Bearcats vs Michigan 2017 game. Korey Cunningham reminded me of Brandon Parker similar playing style slightly quicker more muscular chiseled not necessarily stronger. I’d have Korey ranked higher than Brandon Parker and in that 4th-6th round range where as Brandon would be 5th-7th. Korey offered nothing exciting just a solid player and though he is athletic he is not overly athletic even though he was a converted TE.

          For me at this moment I’d have Brian O’Neill and Alex Cappa as the most likely Patriots targets being drafted IF they went that route at this moment. I must admit though Alex Cappa is growing on me the dude is strong athletic and fast just raw. Outside of his lower level of play and rawness the only other question I have is his Football IQ. Right now I like him more than Julien Davenport from last year based on his upside if the other areas/questions pan out.

  49. GM-in-Training says:

    Lots of good candidates there.

    I’m wondering how James Harrison and David Harris will factor in over the next month or two?
    One seems to be an edge rusher and the other a center-fielder. It’s probably easier to learn the role of the edge rusher with the Pats, and I do think they’ll put Harrison on the field against the Jets to sort of see what they’ve got. It may be situational, or if they’ve got a sizable lead, maybe several series. It would be good not to work any particular player too hard as they’re trying to get healthy for the post season.

    My ideal game would be that Gronk gets 150 yards before half time and takes the rest of the game off, Britt and Hollister each catch a TD (to pad Brady’s # of different receivers catching TDs from him in the regular season), Hoyer plays the whole second half, and the Jets are held to less than 10 points to give the D good momentum.

    It supposed to be a very cold game. We’ll see.

    • steve earle says:

      Great plan GM. Some General once said plans are all great until the bullets start flying. Still love to see it work out this

    • Russell says:

      Great to be back, miss not able to respond at this site.. Harrison will make a bigger “splash” then LB Harris, and I look for a sack or two against Jets.

      • steve earle says:

        Agree. Harris looks like a situational rusher unless someone gets injured. Still hope he can fill that role and a little more but wouldn’t over play him.

        • steve earle says:

          Oh! Well I have this backwards I meant Harrison as the pass rusher not Harris. Senility must be setting in.

    • Stephen J says:

      It’s not looking good for David Harris as you say a center fielder. Marquis Flowers played that role ahead of David Harris and did a good job as shown here by Evan Lazar in his weekly breakdown against Buffalo

      https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/945793934185390081

    • Stephen J says:

      As far as what happens after the season well you can resign extend Marquis Flowers you also have Harvey Langi and if neither one pans out then there is the draft/free agency route but here is a comparison of Langi and Flowers

      ………………….Marquis Flowers(6’3″ 250)………Harvey Langi(6’2″ 252)
      Arm Length…..32″……………………………………32 7/8″
      40………………4.51………………………………….4.66
      10 split………..1.58………………………………….1.65
      20 Shuttle…….4.32………………………………….4.32
      3 Cone…………7.06………………………………….7.00
      The Pats love the 3 cone and 10 yard splits and to a lesser extent the 20 shuttle for this position

      Stats from cfbstats from senior year

      Int…………….1.0…………………………………..0.0
      Solo Tackles…56.0…………………………………31.0
      TFL……………11.5…………………………………5.0
      Sacks…………1.0………………………………….2.0
      PBU……………2.0………………………………….2.0
      QBH…………..0.0………………………………….2.0
      FF……………..0.0………………………………….1.0

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