Building The Patriots Big Board: Wide Receivers

NEPD Staff Writer: Mike Gerken

For part three of this series, I will be focusing on the Wide Receiver position. When you look at the Patriots current roster, Wide Receiver does not pop off the sheet as a need for this team, but we have seen and heard the Patriots definitely trying to upgrade the position. Perhaps its is a move to get younger or more athletic, but for some reason, the Patriots have used a lot of resources in researching and acquiring players. Will that trend continue into the draft? With Belichick personally attending so many of these play makers pro days, the Patriots still seem to be in the market for another Wide Receiver.

Position: Wide Receiver

Priority: Low to Medium

Current Roster:

Julian Edelman (age 30, signed through 2017)

Danny Amendola (age 31, signed through 2017)

Brandin Cooks (age 23, signed through 2017, team option for 2018)

Chris Hogan (age 28, signed through 2018)

Malcolm Mitchell (age 23, signed through 2019)

Devin Lucien (age 23, signed through 2017, ERFA in 2018)

Position Overview:

In the short term, it would seem that adding another Wide Receiver might be overkill, but if you look closer, there could be a need sooner than one might think. Amendola’s future is up in the air because of his large contract. Edelman is a guy who relies on quickness and he is getting older and has taken a lot of hits. Hogan and Cooks are younger, but they are only guaranteed to be on the team for 2 more years. Mitchell showed promise as a rookie and should continue to develop. This draft class lacks the top end talent and may not produce many true #1 receivers, but there are a lot promising prospects who can fill a variety of roles.

Prospects With Draftable Grades:

Curtis Samuel, Ohio State (5’10”, 196 Lbs.): I could have put Samuel in the RB rankings, but think his role in the NFL will be more as a pass catcher. Samuel is a true duel threat player who can be an effective runner as well as pass catcher. He is extremely quick and smooth in and out of his breaks. He has natural hands and attacks the ball away from his body. He is a smart player who finds openings in zones and helps out his QB by consistently getting open. As a runner, he shows good wiggle and deceptive power to create yardage on his own. Samuel is a true four down type player, adding value as a punt and kick returner. Does not have ideal size to be more than a committee type back. Samuel does everything well, but nothing great because he was asked to do everything, so each aspect of his game could use some fine tuning and development. He is a player that could truly could line up in a different position on just about every down and I think BB would salivate at having a mismatch piece like Samuel. Grade: 2nd round

Carlos Henderson, La. Tech (5’11”, 199 Lbs.): What I like about Henderson is that he is both quick and fast. He attacks defenders, forcing them to flip there hips early, and from there Henderson will beat them in a variety of ways. He can use his speed to out run them or he can use his great start-stop ability to make them over pursue. He does a nice job fighting off coverage and showed he can be very productive after the catch. He tracks the ball well and has very reliable hands. While he is not overly big, he does fight for every yard and is tougher to bring down than one might think. Henderson can also contribute on special teams as a kick returner. He needs to work on his route running and he struggles with contested catches due to his size, but overall, he is a very exciting player that would fit in well with the Patriots scheme. Grade: 2nd round

Zay Jones, Eastern Carolina (6’2″, 201 Lbs): Jones has good size and athletic traits for the position. He is a good route runner, but still has room for improvement in that area. Jones did not run a lot of routes away from the line of scrimmage, so he will need to expand and learn a fuller route tree. He has good hands and catches the ball away from his body, but he will have the occasional mental drop as he looks to run before securing the ball. He is a physical player even when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands. He is a very good blocker and seems to enjoy it. His athletic traits he showed at the Combine did not always show up on tape. Grade: 2nd/3rd round

Chris Godwin, Penn State (6’1″, 209 Lbs): Godwin is a good sized receiver who plays bigger because of his physical nature. He has great ball skills , routinely winning contested catches and catching passes that were off target, which was often. Godwin consistently bailed out his QB and made them look better. He plays with good body control, using his size to box out defenders, high point the ball, or make tough sideline catches. Godwin is a little tight in the lower body and his route running is not as crisp as it needs to be. He struggles to sink his hips in and out of cuts. He was more effective when asked to run more straight line route concepts. He struggled to create separation on tape and does not play to his timed speed. Grade: 2nd/3rd round

Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington (6’1″, 204 Lbs.): While Kupp does not have ideal straight line speed, he has found other ways to get consistently open. He is a very good route runner who sets up defenders well by using subtle movements to get them off balance. He gets into his routes quickly and does not lose momentum when making his cuts, which makes him faster than he actually is. He plays with a chip on his shoulder and gives maximum effort in every facet of the game. Kupp’s style fits in well with the Patriots option and timing based passing game. Despite playing at a smaller school, Kupp is NFL ready from a technique standpoint. Because of his lack of speed, he is probably limited to a slot role at the next level, but should thrive there. Grade: 3rd round

Taywan Taylor, Western Kentucky (5’11”, 203 Lbs.): Taylor has a nice combination of deep threat speed along with change of direction skills to win on timing routes. He made some spectacular over the shoulder and diving catches on tape and showed he had that extra gear to make up ground quickly. Taylor made a lot of tough catches along the sideline. He shows good spatial awareness and body control. He does a nice job of selling the deep route, then sinking his hips and coming back to the QB quickly. Taylor needs to clean up his route running and does have the occasional drop. He also fumbled more than a team would like to see and he needs to work on his ball security. He needs to play more physical to make up for his lack of size. Grade: 3rd round

Chad Hansen, California (6’1″, 202 Lbs.): Hansen has good size and long arms for the position, making him an even bigger target. He tracks the ball well and consistently wins contested catches. He has excellent body control, making difficult catches along the sidelines. Smart player who uses technique and subtle movements to create space and find openings. Hansen ran a limited route tree and lined up on the right side of the field only, but the routes he did run, he ran well. Hansen does a nice job avoiding contact off the line and in his routes, but when defenders do get their hands on him, he can be rerouted easily. Hansen will benefit from an NFL strength and conditioning program. Hansen would be a very good replacement option for Danny Amendola. Grade: 3rd round

Ryan Switzer, North Carolina (5’8″, 181 Lbs.): Switzer is an obvious choice to be on this list. His short area quickness and ability to get open through trash is something the Patriots covet. Switzer will get the Wes Welker comparison and this time it actually fits. He has the uncanny ability to get defenders back on their heels and uses a variety of techniques to get open despite his small stature. He is an excellent route runner and uses fantastic change of direction ability, coupled with his use of head bobs and upper body shimmies makes him an easy an open target. Switzer does not have great speed to be anything more than a short to intermediate target at the next level. He is a smaller player that will be most effective with an accurate QB. He should rack up a ton of catches in the NFL, but won’t wow you with a large YPC average. Switzer brings value to a team as a special team player as well, especially as a punt returner. Grade: 4th round

Josh Reynolds, Texas A&M (6’2″, 194 Lbs.): Reynolds has a good combination of size and speed. He is a fluid athlete that covers ground quickly and effortlessly. He doesn’t look like he is running fast because of his long strides and easy movements. He tracks the ball well and has very reliable hands. He is a true deep threat and a big play type of guy. He needs to get stronger as he can get bullied by defenders. He must work on his hand use and technique to fight off or avoid defenders at the line of scrimmage. Reynolds is the rare star player that played on punt coverage and he excelled at it. Grade: 4th/5th round

Malachi Dupre, LSU (6’2″, 196 Lbs.): While Dupre might not be the fastest guy, he makes up for it in his smooth movements and his route running. He has excellent body control arms to make tough catches look easy. He routinely bailed out his QB by making catches on terribly thrown balls. Dupre was an effective receiver at all three levels of the field and can be an effective player playing a variety of roles. He will fight the ball sometimes and has had his fair share of drops. Dupre will benefit greatly from an NFL strength and conditioning program as his frame looks like it can handle adding some bulk without compromising his athleticism. Grade: 5th round

Noah Brown, Ohio State (6’1″, 222 Lbs.): While Brown could have benefited from another year in school from a technical standpoint, he has an NFL ready body. He is well put together with a physical frame, long arms, and big hands. He uses his size to his advantage and is physical with defenders to win those 50-50 balls. He is a fluid athlete that expands his QB’s strike zone with his large catch radius. He is not overly fast, but he gets on defenders quickly and has good timing when breaking off his routes, helping him create separation. Brown is comfortable playing defenders on him, using his size and body control to come down with the ball. He only has one year of extensive playing time, so he needs time to develop everything from route running to blocking. I see potential in him to develop in a very good player with some time. Grade: 5th round

Mack Hollins, North Carolina (6’4″, 221 Lbs.): Hollins has prototypical size for the position with above average speed to boot. He has long arms and big hands, creating a huge target for his QB. He is quick to get on top of corners, making them flip their hips early, allowing Hollins to create separation. Hollins was a big play threat for UNC, but lacks a developed route tree and that will need to be developed. He is a physical player, both with and without the ball in his hand. He is an above average blocker and a special team star. As a WR, Hollins is underdevloped across the board and will need time to learn before he can be a regular contributor. He can come in Day 1 and be a deep threat and a special teams monster however, which, for the Patriots, makes him very desirable. Grade: 5th round

Robert Davis, Georgia State (6’2″, 215 Lbs.): Davis came onto the radar of many after his impressive performance at the NFL Combine. He has everything teams look for in a Wide Receiver from a physical and athletic standpoint. On tape you can see his speed as he gets on top of defenders quickly. He uses his body well and has reliable hands. He showed that he can make plays over the middle as well as on the outside. Davis is not a dynamic route runner and was able to win using his physical and athletic gifts in college, but won’t have that luxury in the NFL. Did not look like a 4.44 runner on tape. He will be making a huge jump in competition and will need time to adjust to the physicality of the NFL. The raw tools are intriguing and has #1 receiver potential if he can develop. Grade: 5th/6th round

Trent Taylor, La. Tech (5’8″, 181 Lbs.): While not as physically gifted athletically or physically as his counterpart at La. Tech, Taylor still brings plenty to the table. You can see that Taylor has worked hard on and off the field to maximize his potential. He has really quick feet and is an excellent route runner, making it very difficult for anyone to cover him. He plays with attitude and will surprise defenders who don’t take him seriously when they try to tackle him. He has great concentration and excellent hands to make those tough catches in traffic. The obvious knock on Taylor is his size. He is short with short arms, so he is limited in what he can do and what routes he can run. For the Patriots though, they know how to use a guy like this and I think he would thrive in New England. Grade: 5th/6th round

Interesting UDFA Prospects:

Travin Dural, LSU (6’0″, 202 Lbs.)

Jehu Chesson, Michigan (6’2″, 204 Lbs)

Krishaw Hogan, Marian (6’3″, 224 Lbs.)

Jerome Lane, Akron (6’2″, 224 Lbs.)

Riley McCarron, Iowa (5’9″, 188 Lbs.)

Final Thoughts:

My brain hurts. There are probably too many names on this list as it is, and there are so many more I wanted to put in there. It really seems like the 2nd/3rd round is a sweet spot for a WR and if the Patriots don’t take one early, waiting until mid day 3 looks like another opportunity to get some talent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

106 Responses to “Building The Patriots Big Board: Wide Receivers”

  1. Stephen J says:

    BREAKING: Seahawks agree to trade Richard Sherman to the Patriots

    https://twitter.com/TubingTyler/status/849724210549145601

    • steve earle says:

      Really? Who is this source, never heard of him before Stephen. What if any, are the details?

      • Stephen J says:

        Steve

        That was just a funny Ha Ha. It made me laugh so I thought I’d share it.

        The link finished that phrase with

        for another shot at 3rd and goal

  2. Stephen J says:

    As I was putting the Patriots DE’s heights and weights I came across two articles 1 recent and 1 a little while ago.
    The 1st one I remembered reading not to long ago. After putting together the heights and weights I wondered what else was there that the Pats use to select a DE/Edge player that’s how I came across this

    http://www.patspulpit.com/2017/3/14/14918742/17-years-of-patriots-analyzing-hand-down-dl-trends-under-bill-belichick

    The thing that stood out to me was this Patriots will look for above average jumpers and shuttlers with long arms. Their goal height and weight is 6 foot 4, 260, although they are willing to deviate based on athleticism and fit.

    So I asked myself what is above average jumpers. There are two jumps Vertical and Broad
    What is above average shuttle(20/short and 3 cone) and what is long arms. So with those I’ve listed(The Patriots Defensive Ends Height and Weight through the years) I started looking for those distances times and measurements. As I wrote those down I started to see some interesting patterns
    which lead me to this

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/04/drafting-des-lbs-tes-ol-a-patriots-case-study.html

    Which is exactly what I was/am in the process of doing to see which players in this draft fit those criteria. This all started because of Samson Ebukam and then I compared his Pro Day numbers to Carroll Phillips and wondered what the Pats may specifically be looking at. There are some surprising eye opening things I’ve come across.

  3. Stephen J says:

    The Patriots Defensive Ends Height and Weight through the years

    Jabaal Sheerd 6’3″ 264

    Tully Banta-Cain 6’2″ 264

    Zach Moore 6’5″ 269

    Rob Ninkovich 6’0″ 260

    Michael Buchanon 6’6″ 255

    Jake Bequtte 6’4″ 274

    Chandler Jones 6’5″ 266

    Marquel Carter 6’4″ 248 listed as DE/LB

    Jermaine Cunningham 6’3″ 255 DE/LB

    Jarvis Green 6’3″ 272

    Willie McGinest 6’5″ 268 DE/LB

    • Stephen J says:

      3 other players that can be added to this list is

      Mark Anderson 6’4″ 256

      Mike Vrabel 6’4″ 261

      Roosevelt Colvin 6’3″ 250

    • GM-In-Training says:

      Basically, they either like them lanky and fast (Andre Carter, Mark Anderson ~250), or more stout to set the edge and sometimes rush (the guys 6’2″ and 265).

      The last few years, they’ve not been bothering with the 3rd-down specialists that are only 250#.

      Long arms are a beautiful thing. Chandler Jones and Trey Flowers both have 35+” arms.

  4. Stephen J says:

    This from Matt Miller

    Samson Ebukam is on his 3rd of 12 visits. So much interest teams are flying him from team city to team city. Today is Pitt, tomorrow is GB

    Samson is a highly athletic day 3 prospect. Crazy raw, but ability is there according to Jon Ledyard

  5. Stephen J says:

    I came across a guy who measures up to Alan Branch.

    Here are Alan Branch’s measurables/times

    Height 6′ 6″
    Weight 324 lbs
    40 Yard Dash 5.07s
    Vertical Jump 27½”
    Broad Jump 107″
    Bench Press 33 reps

    This guy played at Southeastern Louisiana and here are his measurables
    Height 6’5″
    Weight 349
    40 Yard 4.91
    Vertical 27″
    Broad 105″
    Bench 30

    I was intrigued at one how close they matched. Secondly a 4.91 40 for a 349 pound guy amazing.
    Then as I researched this guy I found out that he was a transfer from Alabama. So he played in the SEC I then dug further to find out what happened. He was dismissed because he was arrested for domestic abuse and who apparently has a history of domestic abuse.
    Well that let the intrigued/excitement out of that prospect. Time to move on. Next.
    His Name Jon Taylor in case you are interested.

  6. Stephen J says:

    Russell My Favorite Corn Elder plays highlights and stats

    Miami CB Corn Elder faced four top QB prospects last season and allowed 101 yards on 24 targets per PFF

    Good Football Awareness combine with Athleticism

    https://twitter.com/realbucstalk/status/846408163352068097

  7. Stephen J says:

    Was listening to Dane Brugler and Josh Norris talk about Curtis Samuel and Dane was saying he was similar to both RB Christian McCaffrey and WR Percy Harvin and I know that the Pats showed interest in Percy Harvin’s skill set. So I wondered how is Samuel’s ball security
    In 2016 he carried the ball 97 times received the ball 74 times so a total of 171 with Zero lost fumbles
    In 2015 He carried the ball 17 times and caught the ball 22 times with 1 lost fumble for a total of 39 touches and 1 lost fumble.
    In 2014 he carried the ball 58 times Caught the ball 11 times for a total of 69 touches with 1 lost fumble
    That is 279 touches and 2 lost fumbles which is 139.5 touches per lost fumble.

    • steve earle says:

      I like Samuel but I think he has been moving up the boards and may not get out of the 2nd rd. Bill likely likes his flexibility too I just wonder how high BB would think was to high?

    • Todti says:

      To be honest, I’m not really fond of Samuel and Henderson. In my opinion, the Pats are most likely to add a WR similar to Edelman and Amendola due to their age and contract situations. So, from a numbers perspective, three-cone drill and 20-yard shuttle are going to be the most important measures, but both Samuel and Henderson are worse than Malcolm Mitchell in that regard and he is more of an outside WR in the Patriots’ scheme. WRs I would like to see get drafted by the Patriots, if they drafted a WR, are Kupp, Hansen, Switzer or Trent Taylor. They all had great three-cone drill and 20-yard shuttle times. Switzer and Taylor are the (stereo-)typical slot guys, while Hansen and Kupp are probably more versatile which is why I’d be ok with drafting them on Day 2.

      • steve earle says:

        Yes I agree with you if projecting Samuel as a slot back but as insurance in case Lewis or White RB’s ( free agents after this year) were to leave I think he could fill that roll nicely. Thing is he seems to be moving up the charts so not sure I’d pick him if he gets to high. For a slot guy how about Trent Taylor? Mike had good things to say about him above.

        • Todti says:

          I like Taylor as well. Right now I have QB (Rush) and WR (Taylor or Switzer) among the late-round picks.

        • steve earle says:

          QB is in question as you know so I’m not looking right now to mock anyone but if things change I’ll have to make a move in my lower rd’s . I’m trying to fit Taylor into our 5#163 spot on my work sheet. Between he and the next three rd’s trying to get max value from a lot of missing info on these guys in this range is tough. Just making the best of it and maybe I’ll put out a revised mock middle of this week. See how it goes, Stephen J is a wealth of info on the lower rd prospects it’s hard to keep up.

      • Stephen J says:

        I’m not against Samuel it’s just with this class so deep at that position there are others that could provide that at a much lower range on the draft board maybe not to the level of competition that Samuel has had but having that same versatility and better measurable’s and times. I think of something BB said at one time I don’t remember the exact wording but something like he looks for players who may not be as gifted/talented as a top tier player just a notch down from that who you can pick up later and still provide what that top tier player does. So I look at players that match the Pats criteria that are the rave and moving up draft boards such as Samuel and look for similar measurable’s and see if they could provide something similar. As far as I can tell it looks like the Pats are sniffing in that direction with certain players they have looked at this year but can’t say for certain because it’s as high a priority as defense.

        • Stephen J says:

          **it’s not as high**

        • Stephen J says:

          Quite a few players who have played other positions and now are playing and developing in another. I just came across another player like that this morning Al Riles 6’0 210 lbs a former LB who has just over 2+ years experience at WR and has the times that the Pats look for a 6.72 3 cone and a 4.01 20 shuttle plus a 4.48 40.

          Here is his bio located at http://draftanalyst.com/al-riles-0

          Three-year starter who earned First Team All-Sun Belt honors in 2016 with 60 receptions for 729 yards and two touchdowns. Made 46 catches for 477 yards and four touchdowns as a junior. Moved from linebacker to wide receiver for the 2014 season and caught 34 passes for 354 yards and one score. Played one year at linebacker in 2013 after moving from the secondary and started five games, finishing with 39 tackles (3.5 for loss) and one interception.

  8. Stephen J says:

    What would Mike’s ideal(Binkie) draft look like

    A trade that gets a second round pick for Curtis Samuel. RB Kareem Hunt DE/LB Joe Mathis OLB Vince Biegel A (S)afety WR Mack Hollins Jaravius Lemon OT plus 2 others. Am I in the ball park Mike.

  9. Stephen J says:

    One of the Free Agents I was looking at for the slot CB position

    Rams sign DB Nickell Robey-Coleman

    For some reason the Patriots haven’t shown interest seems to fit their profile

    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/nickell-robey

    The only things I can think of is the Arm Length and/or height or something behind the scenes we are unaware of. Possibly something else to keep in mind with those shorter or short arm slot corners.

    • Stephen J says:

      His weight could also be a concern. This is where our style of play could come into play. What I am thinking is press man coverage and his inability to reroute the route runner due to his size/weight.

      • Stephen J says:

        His off man coverage is good but need to be able to play both off man and press man

  10. Stephen J says:

    Here is what I love about CB Xavier Coleman summed up in this article

    http://herosports.com/nfl-draft/portland-state-xavier-coleman-adversity-fcs-footbll-ajaj

  11. Stephen J says:

    If you have approx 22 mins then here is a podcast on the draft worth listening too.
    Even though it comes from mainly a Steelers perspective
    Issues and players covered

    Ben Boulware LB Clemson
    Trevor Knight the next Julian Edelman
    Trades in the 1st round
    Top WR’s that go in 1st round
    A few WR’s in the 2nd
    Ryan Anderson
    Joe Mathis
    Tyus Bowser
    Tre White
    Kenny Golladay
    Man Coverage CB’s
    Jarrad Davis
    Solomon Thomas
    Zamora Baylor WR
    The next Zak Prescott
    Traits for a Great Pass Rusher

    All that in 22 mins

    https://twitter.com/LedyardNFLDraft/status/850382874431848448

  12. macspak says:

    Russell,

    Nice mock on Football Nation. I like keeping the JG trade to Cleveland alive and the return on the trade, #12, 33 and 1st next year. Not so keen on the Butler trade. (Nice getting #11, not sure I really want to trade Butler). Like the focus on D with picks 11 and 12. Good DE and LB choices. I think if they get 11 and 12 they trade down with one of them.

    • Russell says:

      Thank you for reading my article! I think if the Saints sign RB Petterson , The Butler deal is OFF, just not enough money to go around.

  13. steve earle says:

    What I am noticing with these late round skill prospects is they are late round for good reasons, otherwise they wouldn’t be late round guys. For instance a lot of the WR’s we are reviewing have good long speed others are quicker and elusive but not so fast. Likewise CB’s tend to be good cover players or good run support but not both. Where is the tipping point that makes a prospect worthy of being brought into camp? Is coverage a priority over run support, elusiveness over long speed? I don’t have a good answer, what do you guys think and do we look for the best balanced players?

    • Ryan says:

      I think that the WRs and CBs especially are a bit unique this year, in that the late-round prospects usually have only one or two glaring flaws. There is a remarkable number height-weight-speed WRs projected to go undrafted, and there are also receivers with good college production showing NFL athleticism at their pro days without being paid much attention. For cornerbacks, the fallers seem to be unathletic guys who can straight-up ball. For the WR and CB positions, at least, I think this year is unique in its back-end depth.

    • Stephen J says:

      It’s really no different than any other year. The main reason it’s noticeable this year is because it’s more focused on the skill position players CB’s/WR’s/RB’s and to some extent the TE’s and Edge players due to the depth at those positions. The other two aspects is that as more and more people are now looking and noticing these than in the past. The second aspect is that of the cross overs CB’s to Safety Safety to LB LB to DE and DE to DT for the defense side so with that comes a deeper look at these times and measurements from a new perspective which then reveals what you are talking about.

      • Stephen J says:

        We were just talking about it the other day with the difference between an outside corner and a slot corner. When looking at a slot corner your looking for those great 3 cone and 20 shuttle times where as the outside corner can get away with slower times but usually have faster straight line speed in which to cover the range also longer arms help to mask the slower change of direction speed. Then don’t forget smarts/instincts come into play for not only being able to diagnosis plays but take correct angles. The more people see that then in all the different positions the more noticeable things like you are saying appear.

        • steve earle says:

          Yes, I see what your saying about the DB’s and especially CB’s inside vs outside. Problem I’m having is finding a slot corner with lateral quickness who is also decent in run support. Kazee who I had in my last mock is a great run support CB but his shuttle and three cone times were terrible. Others have the good times but reported to be tip toe’ers in run support. I’m thinking of exploring the OLB late prospects for an under sized guy with the necessary skill set. Don’t have much hope at this point.
          As for WR’s again the skill sets of the late rounders don’t seem to lend themselves very well to our “wants” (because they are not really needs) so I really question if we can find prospects other then sp. teams specialists like returners. Like you say its different this year.

        • Stephen J says:

          I hear what you are saying. I am a science and numbers type of guy. Yet how do you measure heart and smarts. There is was no reason to believe that Brady would be Brady before he was drafted yet his heart (drive will determination and attitude) along with guidance catapulted him to where he is today. So sometimes I have to put the science and numbers aside and look for those that have that drive will determination and attitude maybe not to the degree that Brady has them but enough to the point where it shows up on the field (not necessarily stat wise) where you or others say he is just a good football player and that is where I then have to rely on those that know the game of football better than I do.

        • Stephen J says:

          With that being said here are some small guys that play big including the one we have been talking about.

          Corn Elder CB Miami
          Budda Baker S Washington
          Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
          Damontae Kazee CB SD St

        • Russell says:

          Corn Elder was a guy I liked in my early Mocks for the Patriots, with punt return abilities. Could be there 4th-5th round.

  14. Stephen J says:

    Chart showing percentage of carries where RB gained 20+ yards where said RB had at least 15 or more carries/game in 2016

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C81fatRXoAEO8V-.jpg

    • Stephen J says:

      If Aaron Jones from UTEP was included he would ave 19.08 carries/game at 8.73%

      Stats provided by Graham Barfield using RotoViz

    • steve earle says:

      Interested to see side by side chart for avg. yards per carry with this one based on same min # carries.

    • Russell says:

      interesting prospect, 42 pass received nice……

    • Russell says:

      Watched some Crossan tape; runs well mostly out of the shotgun formation. Likes to cut back, reminds me of Woodhead. Catches the ball very well hands away from his body, looks like a TE. Kick-off returner, looks quick, 4.46 40 yd, 6.83 3 cone, 35 vertical, 4.06 20 yd shuttle. Could not find an interview as yet.

    • Stephen J says:

      Among those attending Giants local pro day is UNH RB Dalton Crossan. Attracted lot of interest lately. Private workouts w/Seahawks + 49ers.

    • Stephen J says:

      In an article at http://www.sachemreport.com/2017/01/13/crossan-shines-at-college-gridiron-showcase-symposium/

      It stated this

      From New Hampshire Athletics …

      Crossan, who was named to the HERO Sports FCS All-America Third Team and All-CAA Football Second Team in 2016, led the Wildcats in rushes (233), rushing yards (1,281), rushing touchdowns (10), all-purpose yards (1,977), kickoff returns (20) and kickoff return yards (430).
      The running back also ranked third in receptions (42) and fifth in receiving yards (266). The 1,281 rushing yards is No. 6 on UNH’s list of single-season superlatives and the 233 rushes is No. 10.
      In the national numbers, Crossan is No. 11 in rushing yards, 13thin all-purpose yards per game (152.08), 15th in rushing yards/game (98.5) and 24th in rushing TDs.
      On the CAA leaderboards, Crossan is second in all-purpose yards/game, third in both rushing yards and rushing TDs, as well as total touchdowns (14), and fourth in rushing yards/game.

  15. J H TARBORO says:

    The most interesting WR ion your list is Jerome Lane, just by chance I happen to watch MAC conferences game and seen this receiver running DBs over like a RB and nobody could stop him. He was former LB/S and plays the WR position as such. I like this kid also.

  16. J H TARBORO says:

    If North Carolina’s Mack Hollins hadn’t gotten hurt last season, we would be talking about him in the same light as potential 1st rounder Western Michigan’s Corey Davis. Mack Hollins is one the guys that screams Patriot type player, one of my favorites, I was high on him last year.

  17. J H TARBORO says:

    Former Patriots coach Al Groh has a son who’s a scout was at Georgia’s pro day,talked up highly touted WR/KR Isaiah McKenzie 5’7″ 180 who was a teammate to Malcolm Mitchell. He ran in the 4.4s in the 40yds and has a 6.69 3 cone drill, he was used in the slot and fits what the Patriots do, by spreading teams out and running crossing routes and he does it with devastating effect, he is the same size as the Atlanta Falcon slot receivers who shook Malcolm Butler out of his cleats during the Super bowl, and I don’t want to hear he’s too small crap, that’s a cop out, he plays in the SEC and offers value as a PR/KR

    • J H TARBORO says:

      By the way that Atlanta FAlcon receiver was 5’7 167 Taylor Gabriel, former Cleveland Brown who had a phenomenal year, last year.

    • steve earle says:

      Okay J.H. I won’t mention his size. In fact I think often the NFL is just to size conscious. Thing is I never heard of this kid before now but intend to check him out. Thanks for the info.

      • J H TARBORO says:

        Steve iE,, as you know for the last 4 or 5yrs. I usually find this type of player, only because of our.spread offense and what the receiver is asked to do. The key, is putting the player in space and winning their 1 on 1 match ups and The Goat is slinging the ball. Check him out!

        • steve earle says:

          Well checked McKenzie out and he looks as though he could be a really good return man. Kind on a Mini Mack Heron of old. So if we brought him in as an UDFA it could pay off big. Not sure of him as a receiver, reports say he isn’t a quick change of direction kind of guy. Still if BB sees him as a specialist he could have a future.

    • Stephen J says:

      What is happening is The Flash is rubbing off on these football players. These insane times and measurements are starting to become the new norm. He is one of many players like that(athletically speaking) this year. Its amazing. Going to be interesting to see how all this plays out.

      • steve earle says:

        Been kind of gnawing at me too. Hasn’t been that long sense a 4.4/40 was rare and special now it’s almost common among WR’s and CB’s. What to think of this escapes me and sometimes have to question the accuracy at least in my own mind. Then I wonder if these are football time or just track times. I remember a high school player some years ago who was a RB but ran track in the spring. Couple of kids ( about same sizes) were faster in track but couldn’t catch him with pads on. We know prospects train just for the combine and I wonder if these special times really carry over to on the field speeds.

    • Stephen J says:

      Taylor Gabriel………………..Isaiah McKenzie
      5’7 1/2″……………………….5’7″
      167 lbs………………………..173 lbs
      40″……….Vertical…………..36″
      125″……..Broad……………..123″
      4.21……..20 Shuttle………..4.15
      6.84……..3 Cone…………….6.64
      17………..Bench……………..11
      4.41**…..40………………….4.42

      ** Averaged time ran a 4.28 and a 4.53

  18. Stephen J says:

    Some more fun with Athletic Comparisons

    Brandon Cooks…………………..Riley McCarron
    5’9 3/4″…………………………..5’9″
    189 lbs……………………………188 lbs
    4.33………40 Time……………..4.36
    36″………..Vertical Jump………40 1/2″
    120″……….Broad Jump………..124″
    6.76……….3 Cone………………6.47
    3.81……….20 Shuttle…………..3.96

  19. Stephen J says:

    Remember last year when the Patriots brought in 4 corner backs as undrafted free agents
    Devante Burns, CB, Texas A&M
    V’Angelo Bentley, CB, Illinois
    Jonathan Jones, CB, Auburn
    Cre’Von LeBlanc, CB, Florida Atlantic

    What if the Pats did that with WR’s this year what are your top 4 WR’s that are either projected 7th rounders or undrafted free agents that you would like to see compete

    As of now mine would be
    Jehu Chesson
    Austin Carr
    Thomas Sperbeck
    Riley McCarron

    • Ryan says:

      That’s exactly the situation I’m imagining, Stephen. I hope it comes to pass. Other guys I’ve got in mind for that list: Chad Williams, Ishmael Zamora, Quincy Adeboyejo, Jamari Staples, Keevan Lucas, Noel Thomas, DeAngelo Yancey, Zach Pascal, Jalen Robinette, Krishawn Hogan, Jerome Lane, Tanner Gentry, Marcus Kemp.

  20. steve earle says:

    Just came across a name, Brendon Langley WR Lamar so I found a little on him. Good times and stats, anyone know anything depth wise on him? Small school kids are the hardest to get much about.

  21. Stephen J says:

    Todd McShay’s Draft Board for this year

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8v16ubXkAAidyt.jpg:large

  22. rob says:

    UDFA Austin Carr out of Northwestern.. Doesn’t seem to ever drop a pass ,4.6 40, 6.7 three cone. 6ft. 200#. The next Welker,edelman?

    • Ryan says:

      Carr and Thomas Sperbeck are two guys whose production and agility numbers warrant late-round fliers. I hope we snag a few extra picks on day 3 this year.

    • Mike Gerken says:

      Oh man, Carr fell through the cracks. I totally skipped him on my notes. I gave him a 7th round grade. He should be in this write up. I may have to go back and edit to put him in. He is definitely that Edelman type.
      Thanks for bringing him up.

  23. Stephen J says:

    Draft begins three weeks from today will it for the Pats????

  24. Turbo says:

    Floyd is probably not coming back, Mitchell is injury prone, Edelman is dropping balls a lot lately and you can feel the hits are getting to him, i don’t want Dola back even though i like him, but he’s injury prone too and his playing less and less, so with all that i wouldn’t mind picking a WR.

    The two i want the most is Carlos Henderson and Taywan Taylor. I really hope one of them is somehow going to be available in the 4th.
    As UDFA or 7th rounder i also like Chad Williams, Robert Davis and Thomas Sperbeck.

    • GM-In-Training says:

      I agree Edelman has taken a lot of hits, and doesn’t seem as automatic as he used to. What I don’t see is an Edelman understudy on the roster, shadowing him to learn how to do it. Edelman still gets open. Amendola is clutch and if used sparingly is great to have down the homestretch. Bringing in Cooks suggests they want to stretch the field to make everything else work better.

      I could see the Pats wanting to roll the dice on another tall receiver in the mid rounds.

      I could see the Pats looking on the last day of the draft for another 5’10”, super shifty possession and slot guy.

  25. Stephen J says:

    Do you see Cooks staying long term or is it to soon to tell. Trial run for a year and see how it goes. It seems to me he is going to get a huge contract that I don’t see the Pats matching. Another position where after 2017 it seems to be up in the air.

    • Mike Gerken says:

      I think at minimum he is here for 2 years. A team does not give up a 1st round pick on a one year rental. Cooks 5th year option salary will not be too much for the team to not pick it up. After that, we will see. He is young and talented, if he buys into the Patriots way, I could see him here for longer.

  26. Russell says:

    I have a hard time seeing the Patriots drafting a guy, unless a 7th rounder. Just to much value in guys who will go undrafted. Undrafted guy I like for the slot, is Jordon Westerkamp from Nebraska.

    • macspak says:

      I agree, like RB, UDFA is our best WR option. Too many needs, too few picks.

      In response to some other comments. Don’t undersell Amendola. He has been huge for this team late in the season, when it counts, three years running. You don’t easily replace that and not with a rookie. Not convinced Floyd is not coming back. His suspension heavily weights, for good and bad. How many games will it be for – 4 or 6? That is 4 to 6 games, plus another of a free roster spot and veteran talented young depth in case of injury.

      Yes, you don’t give up a 1st and 3rd for a 1 – 2 yr rental – Cook.

      JE – Not sure he ever has had the best most consistent hands. I think the most interesting issue about him is will BB try to resign him what average salary. Great player, gutsy, great work ethic and team mate and close friend of TB. Yet the marker for WR’s is far beyond what BB will pay him. Will this apparent glut of incoming WR’s depress the WR market?

      Amazing how Pats have revamped the WR position on the fly and now have very very young quality youth.

    • Ryan says:

      I mostly agree. If a versatile threat like Taywan Taylor, Zay Jones or Carlos Henderson drops out of the third round I’d be very interested, but our WR corps goes 4-5 deep already so I’d advocate for two UDFAs to promote competition in camp.

  27. Stephen J says:

    Wow this position is so deep its like being a kid in a candy store. Every team could choose a WR and there still would be left overs.

    • Mike Gerken says:

      So true, and I could have made arguments for guys like JuJu Smith-Shuster, Amara Darboh, ArDarius Stewart, Josh Malone, Isiah Mckenzie….etc. Just a lot of talent at the WR group this year.

  28. steve earle says:

    Yup! And if even half these guys get picked up for camps and a quarter of them stick then looks to me there will be a glut of WR talent available after final cuts so is it worth it to spend a draft pick on the position?

    • Mike Gerken says:

      It will all come down to situation. I think if the right guy falls to them, using a draft pick is not a bad thing. Picking someone now is a look to the future rather than filling an immediate need, but some of these guys fit the Patriots profile perfectly. I would be more inclined to wait and take one of the Day 3 guys rather than using one of our Day 2 picks on a WR though.

      • steve earle says:

        That makes the most sense to me if Bill does take a WR in the draft. He could still grab another couple UDFA or even a vet FA. Any ideas as to who he might be interested in Mike?

        • Mike Gerken says:

          Vet FA or UDFA? If you are talking UDFA’s, aside from the guys I listed I would think:
          DeAngelo Yancey, Purdue
          Quincy Adeboyejo, Ole Miss
          Bug Howard, UNC
          Jordan Westerkamp, Nebraska

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