NEPD Staff Writer: Mike Gerken
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2017 NFL Draft Live Chat, Rounds 2 and 3
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Hi All,
Just an FYI, I started a thread for today. If you want to continue the conversation over there, that would be great. Looking forward to today.
Hard to believe some of the guys left on the board;
But MOCK IT;
#131 – CB/S Desmond King, OG Dorian Johnson, or S Eddie Jackson
#183 – LB Eric Wilson , or TE Jake Butt
#239 – DE Evan Schwon, S Donald Payne, RB Dalton Crossan, or DE Jimmie Gilbert
OH yes; CB Jack Tocho N.C. State at #239!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right Russell TE Butt even as PUP would be a great investment as would any of those you mention. Looking forward to today. See you on next page.
Sad to see the Pats pass on Tarell Basham (and Daeshon Hall), I would’ve been happy with no trades, Basham and Desmond King from the third, but seems like they were drafting a bit for need targeting the edge rusher and immediately trading up for their tackle as well. Also sad that they couldn’t manage to grab a DB in the 3rd round in such a strong crop.
I think the biggest remaining needs would be for 1 more DE (to push Grissom for the 5th roster DE spot or practice squad spot), interior O-line depth (just Karras and practice squad guys currently), and TE (young depth would be great especially with lots of good talent still at this position).
I’m hoping that Kittle or Wise Jr. fall to the Pats in the fourth. Des King would be awesome too.
Players I like for Patriots on Day 3.
George Kittle TE Iowa
Travin Dural WR LSU
Jake Replogle DL Purdue
Erik Magnuson G Michigan
Blake Jarwin TE Oklahoma St.
I’d be very happy with Kittle in the 4th and Magnuson in the 5th. Maybe TE Michael Roberts in the 7th if things played out that way?
Some great prospects still on the board. OG Dorian Johnson, CB/S Desmond King, S Eddie Jackson, S Donald Payne (keeping with the small school picks) TE Bucky Hodges, LB Vince Biegal, LB Ben Gedeon, CB Jack Tocho, LB eric Wilson, DE Deatrich Wise, DE Evan Schwon, etc.
I don’t look to pick a WR, (but Switzer is still there), LB, CB/S most likely.
I look for BB to move up to 119 in the 4th, (highest he can go, 118 forfeit) IF he’s targeting a player.
Still many good players available.
This may not be popular among most but the Pats where also sniffing around at G. (IF) they do decide to choose a G two to watch for is Dorian Johnson and Isaac Asiata. Isaac Asiata played OT and G but also could play Center and visited the Pats. I think it is less likely now that Antonio Garcia was selected but I wouldn’t totally rule it out.
The most likely target at 131 would be Safety. The two that stand out currently is Desmond King and Xavier Woods. If either one of those is taken then look for Kai Nacua. He was a ball hawk with 14 Int’s during his career at BYU has good hands could be a returner on special teams. He is 6’01 216 had a 6.87 3 cone 39″ vert. for those that aren’t familiar with him. The Pats scouted him heavily(Harvey Langi’s teammate) and had him in for a visit.
Larger DE’s: One that is still available is Carl Lawson of Clemson he has fallen(Medical Issues could be the culprit here)(Reminds me of Grady Jarrett and his fall) Deatrick Wise Jr according to Mike Reiss Doug Kyed and Mike Loyko could be a target. Hunter Dimick Jeremiah Ledbetter and Joe Mathis are other possibilities that could be in play at the 183 pick area. Samson Ebukam could be in play here as well if they decided to trade back but since Derek Rivers was taken he maybe off as an option.
The last pick is a crap shoot so many different directions can be taken here(TE,LB,CB,WR). Best Available Player at those positions. It also could be used to combine it with pick 183 to move up to take a DE or even pick 131 to grab that one player they are targeting.
At LB one player that comes to mind is Eric Wilson. One CB that comes to mind is Xavier Coleman who athletically is an Ahkello Witherspoon clone. He also kept both Cooper Kupp and John Ross to under 70 yards.
One of many WR’s that I’m keeping my eye on is Mack Hollins not necessarily for the Pats just in general to see where he goes. How about Chad Hansen still being on the board. The TE’s still on the board Jake Butt Bucky Hodges Jordan Leggett and George Kittle where do they start coming off at.
Still a lot more intrigue left.
Well those are my thoughts for day 3 of the draft. Enjoy everybody.
A few things to note:
Carl Lawson, like Hunter Dimick, is dropping in part due to short arms. 31.5 inch arms are going to make his life difficult against larger OTs and teams know that.
Comparing Coleman to Witherspoon, even when it’s only athletically, is not a great idea. Different players with different body types and play styles yield results that mean different things. I don’t think that the two will fill similar roles in the NFL.
Chad Hansen seems like a tools player who needs to develop as a receiver, and I would’ve only taken him over one other receiver taken yesterday (Chad Williams). An abundance of polished receivers means that Hansen needed to test superbly to go in the first two days, and his numbers were good but not great. He’ll be selected early on Day 3.
Just pointing out the facts Ryan. They are identical athletically. What you do with the facts is up to you but it doesn’t change the fact that they athletically tested the same. Just because identical twins aren’t both right handed doesn’t stop them from being identical twins. I didn’t say stylistically they are similar or the same. I didn’t say physically they are the same just athletically.
Taking a moment to look at the big picture, these two picks and any that they keep tomorrow ( I guess today) are not going to contribute this season.
To me the guys that need to perform are Kony Ealy and Cooks. I’m confident Cooks will be fine but Ealy has been inconsistent. Unfortunately if he does have a good year then he’s a goner because the Pats probably won’t pay.
We were told Jones had to go so that Collins , Butler and Hightower could get paid.
Well Collins is gone and it seems that they can’t wait to get rid of Butler.
In a very deep defensive draft I would have liked them to pick up a highly rated DE and LB maybe a SAF and OT.
I will rely on Mikes analysis and trust these two picks will pan out.
I guess we will see a bunch of UDFA this year
Often guys drafted in this range start appearing in plays from scrimmage at times around Nov. O-line is an exception provided no disasters. Still hoping Joe Mathus comes down to #131. Ealy is a rent-a-DE most likely I agree but can see us through. I like Garcia he provides some depth at OT/OG. Keeping my fingers crossed for tomorrow.
Well, I’m done for tonight. Who ever’s last out shut off the lights.
Moved Jones and Collins out to make room for Jimmy G in 2018 when they may have to franchise him. Also proved to themselves and rest of league you don’t need a slew of top players and their salaries to have a good, competitive defense.
Okay I found out. Bill traded the #72 and #200 to Tenn for Tenn #83 ans #124.
Selected Rivers with #83.
Traded #92/?96 and #124 to Det. for #85
Selected Garcia with #85.
So they gave up 3 picks for 2.
Yes but apparently Bill thinks Garcia has more value then anyone they could have gotten with that #124. Only time will tell but I did notice that myself.
Now what the heck happened to out #92????? For crying out loud can’t those talking heads keep anything stright
It was pick 96 and that was combined with pick 124 to move back up to 85 to select OT Antonio Garcia.
I just rewatched DraftBreakdowns video of Antonio Garcia vs Clemson 2016. Man is he a beast he pancaked a couple of guys threw several guys to the ground plays until the whistle. Then read where he didn’t give up a sack all last year. Nice to say the least.
Yea I like the Garcia pick just was looking for a pure DE. Rivers more OLB size I’m thinking which is okay. Now I’m hoping BB can get up to where he can nab Joe Mathus for that DE tomorrow.
We acquired the 124th pick along with pick 83 from Tennessee when they moved up to pick 72. We also shipped them the 200th pick in that deal as well.
Right I managed to track it down too but thanks for your effort, much appreciated. Don’t know how I was thinking #92, should have known better.
Close enough to confuse the 2 no biggie.
22 More Picks until the Pats pick at 131
Damn Delano Hill gone
Usually I’m extremely disappointed by this point. However, I like the pick of DE Rivers and OT Garcia – two major needs that also provides extra depth.
Now if only they could pick TE Bucky Hodges or S Desmond King in the 4th…
Really wished we had took DE Jordan Willis at 72 though…
I agree I am quite happy with those two selections felt sure they both would be gone in
second round.
Agree with you Edge. I was starting to get worried when thay traded and then the DE’s were going off the board but Rivers has some up side. Didn’t expect an OT but Garcia is a good one. Still don’t know the trade details or what happened to our #92? Have to scrool down to see if any enlightenment.
John Johnson gone and so am I – a good night!
Good Night Mac
Delano Hill’s out too
I like Delano Hill a lot but to me that’s a bit early for him. Good for him though. I also liked Shaquill Griffin both to the Seahawks.
damn – John Johnson gone and so am I.
did I miss something? giants win the superbowl?
Living on past glory!
What are our updated picks?
WE have a 4th, 5th and 7th still I believe
Where the heck did our #92 go?
Picks 131 183 and 239 left
I need a moment. Kareem Hunt goes one pick after the Patriots pick. deep breaths.
Tell me about it. Basham went to the Colts 2 pick before us.
I actually liked Rivers a little better, so I am happy with that pick. I like both picks actually. I knew Hunt was not going to be a Patriot after they signed Gillislee, but it still hurts.
I like both Basham and Rivers and i’m happy with the pick, but i think Basham would’ve been a better fit. He was my number 1 (realistic) player for 72.
Yea I hear you. Willis went #73 to Cinn, then Wormley #74 to Balt and the Daeshon Hill #78 to Car. @#*!:&~%$: !!!! Still it worked out, but!
I was ok with Basham because Rivers was still on the board those were the 2 I was targeting wasn’t sure which one the Pats liked more or which one would fall but both were targets of theirs
So do we have any more picks left today? I’m completely lost at this point lol
Nope that’s it for tonight – have a great night folks!
Picks 73 and 96 were effectively traded for 83 and 85. No complaints.
Russell,
How does Garcia compare to Holden
In which regard specifically Russell
I had Garcia rated higher.
Mike just became a KC fan
I live in KC, so at least I can watch him every week.
WOAH we’re on the clock again… I’m thinking either Antonio Garcia or a tight end (Bucky Hodges? Jake Butt?)
Ok I’m on a roll
Well Done
One of the OL with the Broad and Vert I was telling you about
Itotaly forgot Garcia was still available. Another great pick. Both players I had on the Big Board series and I think I had both rated higher than they went. I am liking this draft so far.
Awww the binkie is officially gone… sorry bout that Mike
You might like it less when you find out the Pats traded #96 and #124 to get him.
Patriots Trade…I won’t ruin it… 🙂
What did they give up?
Picks 96 and 124 to move to 85
So their own 3rd and the 4th they got from the trade down ?
Wow nailed that one
CB Desmond King, S Eddie Jackson, or OT Will Holden
Did they trade up ?
Wwwwhattt?
Bill you devil
It would be nice if people following on twitter go to another website
At this point hoping for Derek Rivers from Youngstown State
Bingo
Is that who we got?
Yes
Rivers is a great pick. Really happy with that. looks like we traded up again.
I like the pick and worth the wait
And there it is
Trading back 10 spots when you need DE and there are players who fits perfectly and are great value. Really hate this about BB. Trying to outsmart everyone, but in the end he’s mostly right.
Still i’m furious like in every year.
Here we go guys
WHY DID THEY TRADE BACK
To piss us off. Fact.
CRAP and Basham goes to the Colts…guess we don’t need a DE at all this year.
don’ t have twitter, don’t spoil it for us
Don’t need to have an account on twitter to follow just search “Jeff Howe / Twitter” in google.
Missed Jordon Willis….GEEEEEE, Wormley too……. Desmond King still on the board
S Eddie Jackson or OT Will Holden
Uh Oh getting close to another trade down for Pat’s LOL
Not this time
Truly disappointed and disgusted that the Patriots traded down. Now all the DE and LB are gone. Bill finds a way to piss off every Pats fan at draft time. When they do pick I’m sure it will be a punter or kicker or freaking long snapper.
Arrrgggghhhhh!!!!
Yeah piss us off and win another super bowl
Maybe just trying to piss off Mike. Puts all that work in evaluating talent. Then just lets them pass by.
still guys left. It will be okay.
FYI: If you guys want up to the second updates when players are drafted follow Jeff Howe on twitter. He’s posting the selections about 5+ minutes before showing on the networks.
Hate to see Wormley and Anzalone gone. Like Riley. Not sure why Atlanta would take him, seems like the same player as Jones.
Was a fan of Riley as well, at this point hoping for either Tim Williams or Basham
Andddddd there goes Williams
ughhh, there goes Williams. Was high on my board.
CB Desmond King or Wormley
Well, there goes Wormley
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WHY COULDN’T THE PATRIOTS TAKE JORDAN WILLIS AT 72!?!? WHY!
btw Hi.
Hi Edgex good to see you again
Hey Edge, thanks for joining.
Well, the Pats could’ve had Willis but traded down. Strange times.
I can’t believe Willis fell that far… I wanted the Pats to get him so bad, can’t believe they traded back with him on the board still
We gave up pick 72 and 200 for pick 83 and 124
Wormley and Tim Williams still left.
Wormley just went off the board to the Ravens at 74
so who might be available at 83
not Jordan Lewis. Butts, Davenport, Johnson
Any good kickers left Mike? LOL
There is one, Gonzalez I think his name is. 😉
I think the Pats trade down. Damn
Got 83 and 124.
stripped of their 4th and end up with 3 able to use 2 – ironic
And their it is just as you said Mike
Celtics up by 29 end of third Q
Ooooh, Smoot goes. Definitely thought he was a possibility. Moreau, Rivers, Basham are just a few guys still on the board. Shock the world and take my guy Hunt?
NOT A CHANCE
Smoot, one of yours Mike? Your RB binkie still is there.
I had Smoot on the list, but not real upset he went. There are guys still on my board rated higher.
McMillan drafted yet?
Yes to the Dolphins at 54
damnit, they suck
Realistically, who the hell do they pick that might make the team? Trade down/out and pick up the UDFA’s he always gets.
we are back
Shit! I really liked Witherspoon. That is a shame.
Still have your binkie Toledo RB available
sorry, missed this entry and repeated it above
We get Kony Ealy Panthers get Taylor Moton at pick 64
Ealy is an enigma. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is a bust or a major contributor
I agree with you on that waiting to see which Ealy shows up the Super Bowl Ealy or the other Ealy
Run on Oline here. I know a lot of people on here were high on Moton. I liked Dawkins a lot. Getting closer to the Patriots trading down.
aaauuuggghhh – don’t say that!
Don’t say what specifically lol
Ha! you know its coming.
It’s about time to trade a pick into next year
BB’s gonna trade the whole draft for next year LOL
Nice Pick for the Packers
agree though I not upset. S Jones being picked “so early” ticked me off
Sorry, I am trying to get these kids to bed. Should be able to get back on here in a few minutes
that – late dinner and time with the kids
figured that…………….
More and more BB is clearing the way to keep Jimmy G next year and beyond with all the low priced guys via trade and salaries of first and second round picks this year. That or he is the greatest poker player ever.
Great seeing back to back gods from my alma mater, Syracuse; Floyd Little and Jim Brown
if Brady remains healthy and productive it will be difficult due to money and JG’s desire to start
There goes one of my earlier OL that I liked when I started scouting this year.
It would have been so nice to take Cunningham or McMillan…just a bit more drop. Well now it’s all about EDGE fat 72 for me. Basham or Willis if possible, but i’m good with Rivers as well.
I’d rather have several more players than Willis personally.
So far only 2 of my players have been taken and getting closer to the Pats 1st pick
if we want DE, DL, LB or OT the draft is unfolding nicely. If we want a CB or S, not so much. Which of your two are off the board?
Tyus Bowser and Marcus Maye which I expected them to go in the middle of the 2nd so wasn’t really disappointed but still held out some hope but also know there is so many that someone will be there.
Am I spoiling anything for you guys if I am I will stop.
a little bit, at least your not naming names, which I have seen – that’s beyond irritating
ok mac no problem
Giants select one of Russell’s guys
yes, one of Russell’s- Tomlinson
Dolphins select a decent player that some Pats fans have liked.
getting the picks early on Twitter Steve?
multiple places twitter streams
The Lions take another CB that Pats had in for a visit. The former Pats Scouts now GM’s competing for Patriots players.
Browns select a QB that will silence the Jimmy G talk at least for a little bit.
worth a flyer for the Browns here. They have so many picks that if he doesn’t work out no big deal
Floyd Little just announced Denver’s pick. Used to love watching him play
Who is at the top of everybody wish list right now?
I answered below – Jordan Willis or Josh Jones
Dion Dawkins and Obi Melifonwu, in addition to Jones and Willis
Also Chidobe Awuzie and Fabian Moreau at cornerback
Yes Thank You Redskins
I am a little behind tonight it looks like. Nixon was just picked.
That is why I’m not saying specifically who so as not to spoil things, Just giving teasers.
Who is your dream pick right now?
Jordan Willis or Josh Jones
I don’t really have a dream pick I have several that I wouldn’t mind but not really love. Depends how the board falls on who I would select. Just hoping there is no reaches. I wouldn’t be surprised with an OG selection either.
Lots of guys I like coming off the board now.
the more offensive players that get picked, the better
Loyko got Cincinnati pick right
Ravens just took one of the guys I like
Wow! Seems awfully high for Shaheen
Damn, really like Shaheen. Was hoping he would fall to us. That is 2 guys off my short list. dang
I wasn’t as high on Shaheen. He is going to struggle big time, when he went against guys his size he was totally shut out/down. Not to mention he is raw. He may develop over time nicely but 2nd round way to early in my opinion.
my next binkie is BC S Johnson. I mocked him in 5th but I saw recent mocks having him late 3rd and early 4th
BC Safety
28 picks to go
Damn, the first guy I really wanted for the Pats goes to Philly.
Well a guy you didn’t like as much as most just went to the Colts if that helps.
There goes Sidney Jones to Philadelphia
thanks for joining Stephen
Thanks for opening this up wish I would of known last night.
NFL is talking S Jones going here – noooooo
F’K I had my heart set on him
me too. Damn
Lamp finally went. I was surprised at the WR the Bills took. I can’t imagine Webb and Kizer don’t go soon.
I wasn’t surprised at Zay Jones to Buffalo his former coach is one of the offensive coaches in Buffalo now
Potential Pats from Patslife
http://www.nepatriotslife.com/2017/04/modified-mock-draft-preview.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
have had 2 or 3 trades but not for QB’s.
hey mac,
good to see you are still around
was surprised to see Samuel go before cook. Lots of of Safeties going here. Need more QB’s to get picked
howdy