Combine Chat: QB’s, TE’s, and WR’s

NEPD Staff Writer: Mike Gerken

Sorry guys for this getting up so late, if not too late. Our sixth month old is teething which led to lack of sleep and I just totally forgot to publish this. I am just starting to watch now so the QB’s have just started running.

 

35 Responses to “Combine Chat: QB’s, TE’s, and WR’s”

  1. HDH says:

    Crazy but is acquisition of TE D. Allen and the bevy of high quality of TE’s in draft a sign Pat’s will actually trade Gronk for picks, player(s) or picks and player(s)? Just saying….

    • HDH says:

      If history is any guide BB goes first for either big DL or 5’10” CB. Will likely draft ILB/OLB, DE, WR, TE, OL & maybe a RB. Love to seem them get B. Cooks for their 32nd. That would be about the only way a WR get’s taken by BB w/his first round pick…seems to me.

  2. Dan Sullivan says:

    Patriot Mock Draft and Predictions. 8.0

    Patriot Free Agents.
    Martellus Bennett TE
    Alan Branch DT

    NFL Free Agents.
    1 (12) From Cleveland in possible trade for Jimmy G. /Derek Barnett DE Tennessee
    2 Ethan Pocic G/C LSU
    3 Brad Kaaya QB Miami
    3 Amba Etta -Tawo WR Syracuse
    4 James Conner RB Pittsburgh
    5 Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas
    5 Larry Ogunjoby DT Charlotte
    7 John Johnson S Boston College
    7 Ben Braden OT Michigan

    Brandin Cooks would be a great addition to Pats if Possible.

    • Dan Sullivan says:

      NFL Players for Patriots to sign. 8.0
      Brandan Marshall WR Jets
      Calais Campbell DT/DE Cardinals
      Marcus Williams CB Jets
      Kiko Alonso ILB Miami

  3. Turbo says:

    Taywan Taylor had the best 3 cone time, a really good broad jump as well and all the other numbers looked solid. He has really good tape and came up big against strong school too. If he’s still there in the 3rd when the Pats pick i want him on our team.

  4. Ryan says:

    WRs who surprised me, in a good way:

    Robert Davis and Zay Jones: two small-school guys who removed any doubt that they have the athleticism for the NFL. Davis might be available in the third day (ala Malcolm Mitchell), but Jones should be gone by the end of the 2nd.

    KD Cannon and Quincy Adeboyejo: both showed speed and explosiveness today. I think Cannon in particular is being undervalued because teams don’t instinctively know where he would line up. I’d be fine taking a flier on either of these guys on the third day based on what they’ve shown.

    Amara Darboh and Jehu Chesson: these two guys showed a lot more speed and explosiveness than I expected from guys known more as reliable targets. Darboh will probably go too high for the Patriots to even consider him now, but if either one falls to the 6th round then they would be quite the steal.

    • Ryan says:

      I say this knowing full well that the one drill that matters to the Patriots is still to come for WRs. Can’t wait to see how these guys do in the 3-cone.

    • Ryan says:

      Seems like Davis, Jones, Chesson, and Adeboyejo posted strong 3-come times, while Cannon and Darboh didn’t run it. Also, Christian McCaffrey and Taywan Taylor (~6.5 seconds) look like trade-up candidates based on Patriot standards, and Carlos Henderson and Keevan Lucas (~7.2 seconds) can probably be ruled out from our player pool. Also, look out for Jalen Robinette (Air Force, 6.77 3-cone, 10 7/8 inch hands) as a late-round or UDFA guy for Belicheck to develop.

    • Stephen J says:

      Well Ryan it seems even with his performance Robert Davis isn’t getting much love that I notice as of yet. He does seem to keep coming up to me over the last 24 hrs though and here is what I have found.

      CBSSports.com has a player over view of strengths and weaknesses as well as a Player comparison that should ring a bell for Pat’s fans

      http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2081635/robert-davis

      Also he was First team all Sun Belt two years in a row. Lead the conference in yards receiving, second in receptions

      Now look at this comparison

      Julio Jones Robert Davis
      6’3″ 6030 6’2.5″ 6025
      220 lbs 219 lbs
      hands 9 3/4 9 5/8
      arms 33 3/4 33
      40 4.39 4.44
      bench 17 19
      vert 38.5 41
      broad 135 136
      3 cone 6.66 6.82
      20 shuttle 4.25 4.28
      60 shuttle 11.07 11.48

      • Stephen J says:

        He is also a cousin to LB Thomas Davis of the Carolina Panthers

      • Stephen J says:

        Look where he ranks athletically to the average NFL athlete of his position

        https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/wr/

        This is used in conjunction/addition to when a player meets certain criteria checks his boxes ie height weight speed film study and not by itself or as a precedence

      • Stephen J says:

        If you didn’t get a chance to see him run his 40 times here is the link to his. Listen to what Mayock says about him during his 2nd 40 time as well

        http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000789908/Robert-Davis-

      • Ryan says:

        Stephen J.- I think it’s a mistake to comp him to Julio Jones right now. A much more realistic comp would be someone like Chris Conley, a guy who had a very memorable, slightly unexpected combine performance. Davis was a reliable no. 1 receiver for a small school and he’ll have a sizeable learning curve in the NFL regardless of his combine performance.

        • Stephen J says:

          Oh I know, that is why I also posted the previous post by CBSSports with the comparison they gave of Brandon LaFell. I was not meaning to say he is the next Julio Jones just found it interesting so many similarities.
          I was more so painting an overall picture of 1 Dominating in lower conference in both receiving yardage and receptions 2 Nailed the combine measurable’s 3 Compares well athletically to current NFL players at his position 4 Has similar measurable’s to Julio Jones and with the combination of all those maybe he is worth a late round flyer. I’d rather try and develop a guy like that then say converting a QB to be the next JE

        • Stephen J says:

          How about this for a comparison Terrell Owens 6’3 226 lbs ran a 4.45 forty went to a small school Chattanooga Tenn was drafted in the 3rd Round in 1996 3 picks after some guy named Tedy Bruschi

        • Stephen J says:

          Another small schooler that seems to come close to those measurements is Pierre Garcon at 6’0 216 lbs he ran a 4.48 40 bench pressed 20 reps had a 36.5 vertical 125.0 inch (10ft 5in) broad jump and a 4.19 20 yard shuttle in 2008 and was drafted in the 6th round 205th overall

        • Ryan says:

          I like both of those comps a lot better. The thing with Davis is that he hasn’t been exceptionally dominant at Georgia State. In his last two seasons (25 games), he’s posted six 100-yard games and zero multi-touchdown games. He’s been very consistent, though, and in his last two years he began to have good games against teams such as Oregon, Troy, Wisconsin, which gives me hope that he could one day beat NFL defenses. I think that he’s a guy that would take about two years to develop into a starting #2 receiver, but I don’t see him outstripping his college production to become a #1, if that makes sense.

        • Stephen J says:

          One of the benefits of the current offense we run is we don’t really need a true number 1 Wr due to the various roles pieces that are employed by our offense. Sure its nice to have one but it’s just icing on the cake per se. So if he can only develop to a number 2 receiver that would be good enough but if he then could take that next step that would be icing on the cake. Another reason I would consider him is as a backup plan for Malcolm Mitchell due to his injury history.

    • Stephen J says:

      While watching Highlights of Robert Davis I noticed he had TD catches against Wisconsin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OrYF3074I4 Number 19

  5. EdgeX says:

    If QB Trevor Knight is willing to make a position change to WR – Pat’s should definitely take a 7th round flyer on him.

    He could make an awesome Edelman clone. Look at his stats from the combine – hits like every mark you could ask for:

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Trevor-Knight?id=2558267

    • Stephen J says:

      The main reason Edelman was able to transition from QB to WR was his ability to start and stop combined with foot work. Now that wasn’t the only thing but the main thing. The biggest thing that helps determine that is the 3 cone. Here is a great article on it along with players that Pats have selected using that. http://www.masslive.com/patriots/index.ssf/2016/02/patriots_3-cone_drill_all-star.html . If you look at JE’s 3 cone it was an astounding 6.62. TREVOR KNIGHT’s was no where near that at 7.04. He would need to be at least near the 6.8 mark then combine those other stats from that list to consider the transition. Now even though I don’t share the same belief you do on this example I like your idea just don’t agree with it in this one example. Look forward to more of your insights and thoughts.

  6. D. Martin says:

    Trade Jimmy Garoppolo to the San Francisco 49’ers for their 1st round (No. 2 overall) and 3rd round (No. 66 overall) picks. Then Trade No. 2 overall to Panthers for 1st round (No. 8 overall), 2nd round (No. 40 overall) and 3rd round (No. 72 overall) draft selections. Finally, trade the No. 8 overall pick received from Carolina to the cardinals for their 1st round (No. 13 overall) and 3rd round (No. 77 overall) picks.

    Round 1, Pick 13: Reuben Foster ILB – Alabama
    Round 1, Pick 32: Dave Njoku TE – Miami
    Round 2, Pick 40: Jarrad Davis LB – Florida
    Round 2, Pick 64: Caleb Brantley DT – Florida
    Round 3, Pick 66: Obi Melifonwu SS – Connecticut
    Round 3, Pick 72: Tarell Basham DE – Ohio
    Round 3, pick 77: Kevin King CB – Washington
    Round 3, Pick 96: Pat Elflein C – Ohio State
    Round 3, Pick 103: Joe Mixon RB – Oklahoma
    Round 4, Pick 137: Donta Foreman RB – Texas
    Round 5, Pick 163: Connor Harris ILB – Lindenwood
    Round 5, Pick 183: Zane Gonzalez K – Arizona State
    Round 7, Pick 239: Brendan Langley CB/WR – Lamar

    • JT says:

      You would select Foster at 13 overall despite what happened at the combine today with him?

      (He allegedly tried to cut a medical line, pulled the “do you know who I am” card, threatened to fight/physically assault a male medical examiner, was kicked out of the combine).

      On top of that he was supposedly interviewing terribly before the incident.

      • D. Martin says:

        Yes. Yes, I would. If you noticed, his conduct isn’t the most questionable on my list. I’d take him later if I could, of course. I try to be consistent with my selections though. I would be amenable to taking TE O. J. Howard at that #13 spot, and then taking Foster at 32. However, I am no longer as confident Howard would be the better TE between he and Dave Njoku.

        His teammates at Alabama went on the record and gave a solid endorsement of him. “Reuben’s one of those guys who’s hard-working, humble, respectful,” Tomlinson said. “I was pretty surprised, because I know Reuben’s a levelheaded guy,” Tomlinson said. “Every time he talks to anybody, he’s respectful about it. He always says, ‘Yes, sir,’ ‘No, sir,’ and ‘Yes, ma’am,’ ‘No, ma’am.’ And he’s a pretty respectful person all around, and I know the real Reuben and everything like that. So I was pretty shocked about it.”

        Thanks for your feedback though.

    • steve earle says:

      Very interesting Mock scenario you put together. Also so good talent though who knows just where any of these guys get drafted but a good read, thanks.

  7. EdgeX says:

    To put it nicely this QB class is weak.

    Not to say that they don’t have talent – they do, just it’s going to take 2 or 3 years before these guys are producing at a possible “NFL starter” level. And even then there’s no guarantee they can reach that “level”. If I’m a GM or headcoach I’d be scared to death about my future with the organization picking one of these guys early AND expecting them to start this year. All these guys are true developmental prospects.

  8. Russell says:

    I like QB Cooper Rush he has the intelligence the Patriots look for in that position.

    • Mike Gerken says:

      Not a bad option either. I did just see that the Patriots had a meeting with Evans last night. Might be nothing, but who knows.

      • EdgeX says:

        Some interesting info from Patriot’s beat reporter Mark Daniels:

        In 2016 out of the 33 players the Patriots met with at the combine – they drafted none.
        In 2015 out of the 31 players the Patriots met with at the combine – they drafted 1 (Tre Jackson).

        So 64 players interviewed at the combine in last 2 years and only 1 drafted….chances are if the Pat’s interview/met with you at the combine, they are just looking for info, and you’re not being drafted by them.

        • Russell says:

          Good info ! I believe the patriots know who they want to draft before the Combine. A year of scouting, and game tape, means more then what you get at the Combine.

  9. Mike Gerken says:

    The more I look at this QB class, I really only see one guy that might match value to draft pick for me and that is Jerod Evans. If the Patriots want to grab another developmental guy, he would be the one I would look at. It would have to be Day 3 for me, and I think that is where he will go.

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