Jamie Collins Traded To Cleveland!!!

In a shocking move, the Patriots have traded away another young defensive player

In a shocking move, the Patriots have traded away another young defensive player

NEPD Staff Writer: Mike Gerken

 

With the shocking news dropping that Jaime Collins has been traded to the Cleveland Browns for a 3rd round compensatory pick, I thought that this topic deserved its own thread. What are the draft implications? Does this mean the team is close to a deal with Hightower? So much goes with this trade. Please, let me know your thoughts on the trade here.

 

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89 Responses to “Jamie Collins Traded To Cleveland!!!”

  1. steve earle says:

    Rumor about that Gronk got a punctured lung last night. I find that hard to believe is the case having been an LPN for many years. To have been punctured a rib would have had to fracture and pierced thus cutting air supply in half. Pain would have been intense can’t imagine he could have continued game like that. Bad bruise or even torn cartilage more likely I think. That’s bad enough too.

  2. Jeff says:

    Bad game for Sheard, only getting limited snaps without much success. Right now it’s hard to see him getting the big bucks we were maybe expecting at the beginning of the season. I had been expecting the Pats to make a push to keep him around, but he hasn’t shown much to this point. I expect the Pats to use an early pick on a edge rusher and make a free agency signing (or re-sign Sheard) to group with Ninkovich and Flowers next season on the edge. The dream scenario would be the Seahawks moving on from Michael Bennett for cap space and allowing the Pats to swoop in for his final few seasons.

    • Big W says:

      Yeah he would crash down and leave the edge wide open. Fullback on seattle was dominant. Unbelievable to see receiver so wide open when 9 drop in coverage. Same play twice same guy wide open. Too bad lost Roberts to Jets.

    • Russell says:

      who do you like in the draft?? If the Patriots pick #32.

      • steve earle says:

        Mike McGluchey OT ND. Okay he likely goes earlier, so settle for Cam Robertson, what him too, darn, well how about Nick Chubb RB Geo or Christian McCaffrey RB Stan. , Carlos Watkins DT Clem, Derek Barnett DE Tenn, Desmond King CB Iowa, Cordrea Tankersley CB Clem, Charles Harris OLB Missou, Tim Williams OLB Ala, or even Quenton Nelson OG ND? All depends on who’s available at #32. These are the guys I like. None there? Trade down!

      • Jeff says:

        Maybe an edge defender – Charles Harris or Dwayne Smoot?

    • steve earle says:

      Both Bennets with the Pats next year? Wow, wouldn’t that be something? As for Sheard the announcers were saying he wasn’t in because BB wanted to see what Flowers could do? Don’t know if that was correct but what I heard. Flowers looked pretty good to me. Wish he had had a little more help.

    • GM-in-Training says:

      So do you think Trey Flowers is for real? 4 sacks in 2 games. I’m not sure how he is against the run, and how he’ll do once teams start paying him more attention.

      Still, he was drafted for exactly what he’s doing. He’s got 34.5″ arms, which is almost what Chandler Jones had. He’s not quite as fast as the Andre Carters and Mark Andersons of the world, or as tall, but he’s in that same 250-260# range, and has a motor on him.

      If you were looking for a DE, wouldn’t you look again for long arms, speed and appetite?

      • steve earle says:

        Only time will tell if Flowers is for real but even if other teams devote more attention to him won’t that mean someone else has less? The way Bill puts packages together getting the best out of each guy it looks as though the guy has a future here.

  3. Russell says:

    I got the odd feeling the Patriots were holding back, with offensive plays, and defensive adjustments. Some pass plays had poor timing, like they were “trying them”, could be way-off but it seemed that way to me.
    Fumbles are troubling, Brady missed some open shorter receivers trying to go longer than usual. Trey Flowers was a positive sign. A two man pass rush on Wilson??? it’s almost like “lets see were Wilson goes with the ball” if we drop more in coverage.
    Defensive adjustments, did not show-up, like they wanted to see what would happen by doing just what they planned.
    I maybe way off, ………

  4. Todti says:

    Well, that wasn’t a great performance, but I think the game was telling in terms of future roles and personnel. Flowers will be a nice player next season and maybe even in the playoffs. Cannon held his own against Avril which is promising. I think the money they saved by trading Jones and Collins will go to Bennett, Butler and Hightower, at least they will try to keep them. If they can find someone (to step up) to compete with Ryan for the CB2 spot that would be great.

    • steve earle says:

      Actually I thought it was a great game only the ending didn’t please me. It went back and forth all night, two very good teams fighting like mad each making plays after play. What it tells us is the Pat’s DT situation isn’t very good when up against a very good O-line as well as our O-line still needs to get better. The same old problem of lack of consistent pressure on the other teams QB is a glaring problem because our DB’s can’t keep coverage over a few seconds.
      Agree we will need to look to FAs and the draft next May. Too late for any help this year.

      • Todti says:

        Agreed, the game was generally on a pretty high level. All the worse that the Patriots were sloppy at times, that’s what really bugs me. I guess Brady’s occasional WTF-throwing it up in the air interception is somewhat expected by now (compliment to the Seahawks I think), but the fumbles by Brady and Edelman and the almost-fumble by Gronk were surprising. On the other hand, the Seahawks attacking your #2 or #3 CB is no surprise at all. But in the end the dominance of the Seahawks’ OL is the most depressing and surprising aspect to me.
        I know the team will be better in the playoffs especially since the coaching staff now has this game to focus and rely on, but once the Seahawks get Bennett back and Wilson gets completely healthy again, bar any injuries, this team is frightening.

        • steve earle says:

          You are so right about all you said and I agree. Scar will use this game to force our O-line to get better as will the other coaches to make other players learn from it. It may be that the Seahawks have done us a great service to start the rest of the season and beyond.

  5. Matt says:

    I hope Lewis plays a few downs tonight. I miss seeing him play.

    • steve earle says:

      Me too Matt and I really expect he will get some snaps. Bill will likely ease him into the action as he does with other players coming off injuries. If everything goes well it is the Jets that better look out, a Div game and all. Can’t wait for 8:30.

    • steve earle says:

      Well Matt, guess Bill is being extra careful bringing Lewis back. I was disappointed he was a scratch for the game I would have liked to see him in for a few snaps at least. Oh well, next week maybe?

  6. Russell says:

    Cincinnati RB Tion Green 6′ 230 lbs. 4.58 40 yds interesting prospect 6th-7th round pick?

    • steve earle says:

      Another kid to look at is Sony Mitchell RB Geo., in mid rounds. Backs up Nick Chubb and does a darn good job of it too. In perfect world Bill trades JG for a 1st and takes Chubb with one of the 1st’s. Ah well!

      • Ugo Ojimba says:

        It’s Sony Michel, great running back prospect. Should put up great 40 numbers. Knee injury in the past and back up role will keep his stock low. Should be available in the 3-5 rd range depending on he performs in pre draft evaluations and how hours medical checks out

  7. GM-in-Training says:

    So, DT Johnson got scooped off the practice squad by the Jets. There’s an opening on the practice squad. Pats aren’t having much success hiding gems on the practice squad.

    It probably makes sense to pick up another DL.

    Anybody got any favorites?

    • Russell says:

      DT-Dustin Zimmer was released by the Buffalo Bills?

    • GM-in-Training says:

      Mystery solved. Gaffney has been waived from 53 roster, ostensibly to make way for Dion.
      If he clears waivers, there’s a good chance Gaffney fills the last spot on the practice squad. That man should learn special teams.

  8. Jeff says:

    Any chance DT Kyle Williams of the Bills gets cut during the off-season? He’s on the last year of his deal and the Bills could save big on the cap if they let him go. He would be a great signing in the offseason on a 2-3 year deal at the end of his career while another DT is grabbed to replace him in the next couple of years and provide depth with Valentine in the short term.

  9. Russell says:

    “When” the Patriots trade Jimmy G. (likely going to the Bears) who would you draft in 2017,..likely in a later round?? OR would you just keep Brissett as the only back-up??

    Kicker , Gostkowski is under contract until 2019, when would consider drafting a Kicker? 2017, 18,19 ???
    Would BB carry two kicker on his roster???

    • steve earle says:

      I can’t think of any late round QB in the 2017 draft class I would pick, just not enough up sides to any of them. As for trading Gostkowski that depends on his performance. Been having some early trouble but if he returns to form why are we having this conversation? And no Bill will not carry two kickers imo.

    • Jeff says:

      I don’t see 2 kickers on the roster. To me it would make most sense to use a 6th or 7th round pick to grab their favorite camp arm/practice squad candidate at QB, while planning to carry 2 QBs on the roster. However, in recent history the Pats have surprised most of us with higher than expected picks at the position, so who knows? Also, a fun second-guess is why didn’t the Pats grab Dak Prescott instead of Brissett? Jacoby was fine for a rookie, but it looks like the Cowboys really struck gold with a guy who was widely considered the top QB available when the Pats took their guy.

  10. td says:

    Just from watching ‘Bama play each week it seems to me that there are a lot of really good edge rushers as well as good DBacks throughout college. The elite one’s will be long gone; Garrett from Texas A&M (Von Miller clone), Allen & Williams from ‘Bama, White of LSU, Peppers of Mich.

    I wouldn’t mind BB taking Rueben Foster LB from ‘Bama, but I doubt he will be there when we pick.

    • Russell says:

      The Bama, player I would most like to see on the Patriots roster is DT Dalvin Tomlinson. Guy plays with leverage (Wrestler Back ground), try’s to keep one hand free to tackle or hold-up into the passing lanes. Guy has a high motor, and interviews very well, plays with heart, and understanding his role.
      Early Mocks have him 4th round?? I think 2nd round. Watch his stock rise, over the next few months.

  11. Russell says:

    Patriots seem to be thin at DT, with Branch (31) in his 10th year. I look for their first pick, (where every that is) to be DL.
    CB Butler NEEDS to be top signing job!! As restricted he will likely get a 1st around pick tender, BUT NO team can draft a college player with Butlers experience, with a 1st round pick. I think a team will gladly take him away from the Patriots for a 1st round pick. Dallas, Green Bay, Detroit, etc….

    • Todti says:

      They will still have the right to match, won’t they? He’s getting the 1st round tender and then the Patriots will se. Worst case scenario is that they will have to pay him one year earlier.

      I’ve read that the Collins compensation is either the Browns’ 3rd round compensatory pick in 2017, if they are going to get one, or a 4th round pick in 2018. The last projection at overthecap.com had the Browns getting a 4th round pick for losing Alex Mack which would mean the Pats get a 4th round pick in 2018. If they’d have kept Collins and then lost him in FA the result would definitely have been a 3rd round pick in 2018. Which is why I don’t understand the deal. I understand the trade itself, but not the deal. Apparently, getting rid of Collins was a higher priority then the compensation. That’s telling.

      • Russell says:

        YES the Patriots can match any offer made to Butler. So if Dallas was willing to give a 1st round pick and pay, say $8 mil a year,….the Patriots would need to match, the $8 mil. a year to Butler.

        • steve earle says:

          I think we would all agree that a three or four year extension deal at fair price before the need to match anyone would be desirable. Starting offer at around 4 mil but with performance bonuses.

      • td says:

        Getting a 3rd compensatory pick was not a certainty for Collins going to free agency. We have a slew of FA’s after this year is done and quite a bit of cap room, so BB may be signing a significant number of FA’s next year to take their places. Add them all up and it could be a lower pick in 2018.

        • Todti says:

          Yeah, I just read Belichick’s response. But that’s not quite how it works, is it? A hgih compensatory pick can only be cancelled out be a high-priced FA signing, right? So it’s interesting to see what their long-term planning is. Of course, Belichick probably just leaves every single door open.

    • steve earle says:

      I agree our DT depth is not as it should be but our 1st pick will be based not on position but on value as BB always tries to do. It could be a CB, OT, LB, even a DE which we currently have good depth, and yes a DT too. I have no idea what BB thinks but believe there is depth enough in this draft in the first three rounds for us to improve our roster in 2017.

    • GM-in-Training says:

      Given that Easely and Brown were 1st rounder DT drafted in the last few years, I doubt BB goes back to the DT well that early in 2017.

    • EdgeX says:

      You are right Russell that DT position need is there.

      But problem is this draft is looking weak at the talent at this position. The Pats really need a pass rushing DT and looks like there are very few coming out in next years draft.

      I think Pats roll the dice on the RFA tag for Butler. If another team offers a first round pick for him how much really would they offer to pay? 8 Million? Pats would match that, 10 Million? Pats would match that…I think some team would have to offer over 13 or 14 million per year before Pats wouldn’t be interested and I’m not sure there’s many teams that would do that – are there?

  12. Dan Sullivan says:

    Patriot linebacking group is still very strong I like Kyle Van Noy and Elandon Roberts to really come on strong.
    Marcus Cannon is having a Pro Bowl year.

    For the Red Sox I would add Mark Trumbo as Free Agent.

    Enjoy game 7 tonight. The Red Sox were not to bad this year as look for Cleveland to
    win it all.

  13. GM-in-Training says:

    Pats add to the 53 roster TE Matt Lengel from the Bengal’s practice squad. 6’7.5″ 270#, 4.91 40 dash, supposed to be athletic in space with a huge catch radius. Needs work setting the edge. Very under-the-radar guy, but sounds like a suitable understudy for Gronk and Bennett. Makes you wonder why they brought in a 6’3″ TE yesterday for the Practice Squad, on which they already have Glenn G.

    How would it be if the Pats played a 13 formation with 3 TE at 6’6″+?

    • Russell says:

      Wonder if they may get him to add some beef, and play ROT? Will be interesting to watch!!

    • steve earle says:

      Doesn’t Bengals practice squad say it all? Or in other words, nothing to get excited about yet. Be more impressed if it was an OT. I’m just worried that this might mean Bennett’s ankle is a bigger problem then we know?

      • Jeff says:

        Yeah I’m with Steve – this guy is depth, likely a game day inactive unless there are injuries. I don’t think it’s bad news for Bennett. They need to have a couple guys gaining experience in the system in case of future injury. It would be shocking if this guy catches more than 5 passes this season.

  14. Russell says:

    Patriots Updated draft picks:
    1st
    2nd
    3d
    3d compensatory Cleveland (97or 98??)
    4th from Seattle lost to NFL
    4th
    5th Denver
    6th compensatory ?? loss of Akiem Hicks
    7th Detriot

  15. Russell says:

    Kansas City just grabbed RB Bishop Sankey off the Patriots P-Squad.

  16. EdgeX says:

    Well…got about 5 hours left until the trade dead line..there’s still time for another trade today…LOL

    • Russell says:

      CB Cyrus Jones ???

      • EdgeX says:

        You’ve got to be kidding me – they just drafted the kid! He might be in the dog house but I don’t think they would move on that quickly.

        • steve earle says:

          I agree with you but stranger things have happened and he hasn’t shown very good judgments which got him in the dog house in the first place. Interesting how so many of Bill’s second Rd picks don’t turn out very well. Another player to watch is DJ Foster. If Lewis is ready to come back trading Foster could be the tip off. With all the RB’s getting injured around the league his value could be as high as it will ever be. We’ll know in a couple hours now.

      • td says:

        IMO jones is a weekly inactive because he’s not ready to play DB and he has awful ball security and decision making on punt and Kick off returns.

  17. GM-in-Training says:

    So, the Pats now have one opening on the 53 and one on the practice squad.
    They’ve got a couple weeks to activate Dion Lewis at RB. They’re already carrying more RB than they’ve had all year on the 53. I could see DJ Foster getting waived and picked up on the practice squad (I’d keep Gaffney over Foster because Gaffney weighs 220 and can run between the tackles or catch out of the backfield).

    They might also consider a 3rd TE for either spot. What’s out there for trade or more likely FA because why spend a draft pick on a the 3rd TE on the depth chart?

    • Russell says:

      Cleveland waived TE Connor Hamlett 6’7″ 260lbs, age 24, from roster to make room for LB Collins. Patriots P-Squad If clears waivers??/?

  18. Ryan says:

    This is an unwise move for both sides. Jamie Collins is a great player who will play for the rest of this season for whichever team he is on. The Patriots, who have a good shot at reaching the Super Bowl this year, should value his services more, as they are trying to win now. The Browns, who can’t reach the playoffs, have no use for his services, as he will not help them win this year and will absolutely not sign a long-term deal with them if he has any brains. The Patriots reduced their odds of winning a championship this year in return for a mid-round pick, while the Browns maybe gave themselves a shot at winning a game or two this year in exchange for a mid-round pick.

    Something’s very weird here. This trade doesn’t make sense for either team, and it especially makes zero sense for the Browns. If the Patriots have a defensive breakout at any point in the playoffs this will be an obvious cause.

    • Russell says:

      The Browns know they can franchise tag Collins for 2017 (13. mil.) if they can’t sign him. The Patriots could have as well, but to much money.
      “IF” Mingo or Van Noy play well, the money saved means other can be signed….Butler, Hightower……..

    • steve earle says:

      Same vibes I have, strange deal. Back of my mind is screaming there is more to it. I don’t know but wonder if it has anything to do with establishing trade relations for future deal like perhaps after season trade for Jimmy G???????????

    • Ryan says:

      Oh and by breakout I meant breakdown.

    • EdgeX says:

      It makes sense from two stand points…

      Long term reasoning: Collins wanting “Von Miller money” and being “very difficult” to “miles apart” in contract negotiations.

      Short term reasoning: Going freelance on defense and arguing with coaches. Mike Loyko sources are saying there was an altercation with Collins and Matt Patricia – who knows what else happened behind the scenes.

      Not being part of the “Patriot Way” will do it. They basically just dumped Collins – and the latter is the reason why: the coaches believe he was detrimental to the team so they got rid of him. It stinks, but only reason BB does this in the short term otherwise he would have played out his contract.

  19. Cameron says:

    I thought compensatory picks couldn’t be traded. Am I wrong about that? If I’m right, does anyone know what that means about the pick coming back?

  20. steve earle says:

    I’m not at all happy or excited by this as some seem to be. Admittedly I’m no insider, have no idea what Bill is thinking but with a def that can not put pressure on any passer in 8 games eliminating a play making LB seems only making it harder to get home field in the playoffs. A 3rd seems like peanuts for a player like Collins IMO plus I’ve seen no other recently aquirred LB capable of filling is spot.

    • EdgeX says:

      TD already nailed it:

      1. Money
      2. Performance
      3. Attitude

      Not sure about the arrest part, but asking for “Von Miller” money and not budging from it, while his performance overall the last year, has been what I would overall qualify as “good but not great”, and there’s a report from Mike Lombardi pointing out that Collins was basically “freelancing” on defense.

      Ha, as I’m typing this, Tom E. Curran also reporting that he believes Collins freelancing cost the Pat’s the AFC Championship last year.

      Yeah…not listening to coaches and doing whatever you want on defense will not float in New England.

    • EdgeX says:

      Umm might want to keep an eye on Barkevious Mingo…he’s definitely going to get more snaps at OLB.

      • steve earle says:

        Maybe but I suspect Bill picked up Van Noys with this in mind because he was a starter at Det and Mingo seems a rush specialist and sp-teams guy. Could be wrong, have to wait and see.

        • EdgeX says:

          I think Mingo has the potential to be more than just a “special teams guy”. Van Noy with those injuries – I’m not sure what to make out of him just yet. But will have to wait and see how it all pans out.

        • steve earle says:

          Who knows what to make out of either one, that’s the problem. Roberts is being touted as the replacement by WBZ and that too could be, or not. Depth is darn thin at LB and unless something we don’t know about happened inside it is a strange deal.

  21. EdgeX says:

    Well Russell, now at least, the Pat’s should have the money for Hightower and Bulter…unless those guys want “Von Miller” money too.

    I don’t know if I should be happy or sad about this…

    • steve earle says:

      Depends if def can still hold other teams to under 20 points the rest of the way. Hate to say it but I fear this will cost us home field advantage again.

  22. EdgeX says:

    Yep that will do it. Adam Schefter reporting Pat’s had difficulty working out a long term deal with Collins asking for “Von Miller money” = 6 years $114.5 million.

    Nope, not going to happen with the Patriots.

    I told you guys they wouldn’t pay anyone a $100 million contract.

    That’s a shame, I thought Collins wasn’t a gold digger, but this is what will happen if you are…you get traded.

    Too bad the Pat’s could only get a 3rd round pick but it’s better than nothing.

  23. Russell says:

    The Browns should get a 3d round compensatory pick for the loss of OC Alex Mack to Atlanta for 5 years, $45 mil.

  24. td says:

    The reason Bill moves on from players are in this order:

    1 Money
    2 Performance
    3 Attitude
    4 Arrest

    His performance the past year and a half has not been consistent and this may also be a reminder to those left to do your job or you too can end up in Cleveland.

  25. Jeff says:

    Hopefully this means that Bill likes what he sees development-wise from McClellin, Roberts, Mingo, Van Noy, or Ninkovich at linebacker, although none of those guys have really shown themselves capable of filling Collins’ shoes yet. The other good news is that the Pats should be able to spend money on Hightower and Butler and still have enough cash to franchise Bennett and maybe keep Sheard and a couple of other lower cost guys. Maybe this gives them the flexibility to extend Amendola a year to bring his cap hit down to 4-5 mil per year instead of 8 or whatever it is next year.

  26. Russell says:

    It was economics but a 3d compensatory pick seems low!!! Cleveland has cap space to sign Collins, but must be afraid they will loss him to free agency???
    BB traded him for that 3d pick this year while he could, but he would have gotten a 3d compensatory pick in 2018 if he was lost to Free agency.

  27. steve earle says:

    Holy S–T! I can’t believe it but Russell called this one just like he called the Jones trade last year. Could this be why Bill traded for Van Noy?

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