2015 NFL Draft: Underclassmen Tracker

Underclassmen entries like Randy Gregory have strengthened the draft class.

Underclassmen like Randy Gregory have strengthened the draft class.

NEPD Editor: Mike Loyko

The number of underclassmen leaving school early to enter the NFL Draft has increased expotentially over the last decade. Declarations reached a pinnacle last year by surpassing 100 early entries, many of whom did not get drafted. The trend has slowed slightly this year and it looks unlikely the number of underclassmen reaches triple digits. That being said, the addition of 60-90 new entires into the 2015 Draft class significantly enhances the talent at just about every position. Here is an undate on the players that have announced they’re leaving school early along with a loose projection of where they’ll be drafted.

Declared Underclassmen (77)

Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California (6’1/190) — 2nd Round

Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State (6’0/216)  — 2nd – 3rd Round

Kwon Alexander, LB, LSU (6’2/227) — 4th Round

Arik Armstead, DL, Oregon (6’8/290) — 1st Round

Javorius “Buck” Allen, RB, Southern California (6’1/220) — 3rd – 4th Round

Deion Barnes, DE, Penn State (6’4/255) — 4th – 5th Round

Malcolm Brown, DT, Texas (6’2/320) — Late 1st – Early 2nd

Alex Carter, CB, Stanford (6’0/202) — 3rd Round

Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn (6’2/201) — 2nd Round 

Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana (6’1/210) — Late 1st – 2nd Round

Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (6’2/198) — 2nd – 3rd Round

Landon Collins, S, Alabama (6’0/222) — 1st Round

Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama (6’1/210) — Top 15 

Xavier Cooper, DT, Washington State (6’4/299) — 3rd – 4th Round

Christian Covington, DT, Rice (6’3/300) — 3rd Round

Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State (5’11/195) — 2nd Round

Mike Davis, RB, South Carolina (5’9/223) — 4th Round

Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland (6’0/194) — 3rd – 4th Round

Lorenzo Doss, CB, Tulane (5’11/187) — 3rd Round

Lemar Durant, WR, Simon Fraser (6’2/231) — 7th Round – UDFA

Mario Edwards, DE, Florida State (6’3/294) — 2nd Round

Durrell Eskridge, S, Syracuse (6’3/207) — 5th – 6th Round

George Farmer, WR/RB, Southern California (6’1/220) — 7th Round – UDFA

Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami(FL) (6’6/324) — Late 1st – Early 2nd 

Dante Fowler Jr., DE/OLB, Florida (6’3/261) — 1st Round

Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan (6’5/230) — 2nd Round

Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville (5’11/180) — 3rd – 4th Round

Jacoby Glenn, CB, Central Florida (6’0/186) — 2nd Round

Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State (6’4/314) — 1st Round 

Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin (6’1/213) — 1st – Early 2nd Round

Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma (6’6/225) — 1st Round if character concerns are alleviated

Deontay Greenberry, WR, Houston (6’3/200) — 4th Round

Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska (6’6/240) — Top Ten 

Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia (6’1/231) — Late 1st Round

Chris Hackett, S, TCU (6’2/195) — 3rd Round 

Eli Harold, DE/OLB, Virginia (6’4/250) — Late 1st – 2nd Round

Chris Harper, WR, Cal (5’11/175) — 5th – 6th Round 

Dee Hart, RB, Colorado State (5’9/190) — 6th – 7th Round

Braylon Heard, RB, Kentucky (5’11/189) — 7th Round

Gerod Holliman, S, Louisville (6’2/213) — 4th – 5th Round

DJ Humphries, OT, Florida (6’5/290) — 4th – 5th Round

Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA (6’3/227) — 2nd – 4th Round

Danielle Hunter, DE, LSU (6’6/240) — 2nd Round

Jesse James, TE, Penn State (6’7/254) — 5th Round

Duke Johnson, RB, Miami(FL) (5’9/206) — Late 2nd – 3rd Round

Matt Jones, RB, Florida (6’2/226) — 6th – 7th Round

Nigel King, WR, Kansas (6’3/210) — 7th – UDFA

Tyler Kroft, TE, Rutgers (6’6/240) — 4th – 5th Round 

Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon (6’4/219) — Top 5

Ellis McCarthy, DL, UCLA (6’5/325) — 2nd Round 

Bernardick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (6’5/249) — Late 1st – 2nd Round

Patrick Miller, OT, Auburn (6’7/289) — 7th Round – UDFA

Tyler Moore, OT, Florida (6’5/320) — 7th Round 

Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DT, Southern Miss (6’2/305) — 5th- 6th Round 

Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford (6’7/316) — 1st Round

Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (6’3/214) — 4th Round 

Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (6’0/198) — Late 1st Round if character concerns are alleviated 

Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma (6’6/334) — 1st – 2nd Round

Darius Philon, DL, Arkansas (6’2/272) — 2nd Round 

Bradley Pinion, P, Clemson (6’6/240) — UDFA

Jeremiah Poutasi, OG, Utah (6’6/330) — 2nd Round 

Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri (6’3/245) — Top 15 

Josh Robinson, RB, Mississippi State (5’9/215) — 5th Round

James Sample, S, Louisville (6’2/191) — 4th – 5th Round 

Jean Sifrin, TE, UMass (6’7/250) — 6th – 7th Round

Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State (6’5/335) — 5th – 6th Round 

Noah Spence, DE/OLB, Ohio State (6’3/252) — 6th Round 

Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (6’3/215) — Late 1st – 2nd Round 

Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington (6’1/228) — 1st Round

Max Valles, OLB, Virginia (6’5/240) — 2nd – 4th Round

Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (6’1/182) — 1st Round

Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State (6’4/230) — 1st Round 

Leonard Williams, DL, Southern California (6’5/300) — Top 3

Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota (6’4/250) — 2nd Round

P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State (6’0/196) — Late 1st – 2nd Round 

Trey Williams, RB, Texas A&M (5’8/195) — 6th – 7th Round 

T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama (6’2/221) — 2nd – 3rd Round 


Returning to School 

Roberto Aguayo, K, Florida State
Devontae Booker, RB, Utah
DeForest Buckner, DL, Oregon
Shalique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State
Leonte Carroo, WR, Rutgers
Jeremy Cash, S, Duke
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
Sheldon Day, DT, Notre Dame
Spencer Drango, OT, Baylor
Travin Dural, WR, LSU
Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia
D.J. Foster, RB, Arizona State
Jordan Jenkins, LB, Georgia
Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State
Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia
Cody Kessler, QB, Southern California
Malcolm Mitchell, WR, Georgia
Shawn Oakman, DE, Baylor
Dak Prescott, QB, Mississippi State
Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama
Jarran Reed, DL, Alabama
Brandon Shell, OT, South Carolina
Sterling Shepherd, WR, Oklahoma
Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State
Eric Striker, OLB, Oklahoma
Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
Charles Tapper, DE, Oklahoma
John Theus, OT, Georgia
Adolphus Washington, DL, Ohio State
Duke Williams, WR, Auburn
Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas
Avery Young, OL, Auburn

Yet To Announce Intentions
DaVaris Daniels, WR, Notre Dame
Nelson Spruce, WR, Colorado
La’Raven Clark, OT, Texas Tech
Jalen Mills, S, LSU
Vadal Alexander, OG, LSU
Jerald Hawkins, OT, LSU
Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
Isaac Seumalo, OC, Oregon State
Devonte Fields, DE/OLB, TCU*
KeVarie Russell, CB, Notre Dame
Tracy Howard, CB, Miami(FL)
Anthony Zettel, DT, Penn State
Bronson Kaufusi, DE, BYU
Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
Cayleb Jones, WR, Arizona

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65 Responses to “2015 NFL Draft: Underclassmen Tracker”

  1. Russell says:

    Some of the early stand-outs at the shrine practice I’m watching are, DT Xavier Williams, B.J.Finney, and ZaDuris Smith

  2. Russell says:

    Some early stand-outs at the Shrine practice, I’m watching are DT Xavier Williams, OC B.J.Finney and ZaDuris Smith.

  3. Russell says:

    Here is a list of grades IMO of the OT’s I have watched, in the draft;

    Scherff, 9.1 better at OG in the NFL
    Peat, 8.9
    Collins, 8.8,OG possiblities
    Ogbuehi , 8.5 just suffered knee injury dropping on the board
    Flowers, 8.8
    Sambrailo , 8.9
    Erving, 9.3 can play at high level ANY Oline position.
    Clemmings, 8.5 limited time at Oline position
    Poutasi, 8.5 limited tape
    Thompson, 8.9 underrated speed
    Williams, 8.6 ROT most likely
    Bacus, 8.4, some old back issues
    Robinson, 9.0 very underrated prospect, very large 6’8″ 340 lbs could be an OG.
    Fisher, 9.3 could play OG
    Humphries, 8.8
    Shepard, 8.4 , likely ROT, maybe an OG prospect.
    Rummells, 8.5, a hard weight room worker

    Some prospects are begining to move around on the draft board, OLB Dawson, up from 6th-to 4th, DE Anderson, up from 5-6th,-to 4th, OT Corey Robinson, up from 4th to early 3d, OT Oggbuehi down (knee injury ACL) 1st to 3d, DE Odighizuwa up from early 4th- 2d.

  4. Russell says:

    WR Breshad Perriman is reported to enter the draft. At 6’2″ 214lbs runs a 4.52 40yd, he moves onto my (small) Patriot WR draft list. His Dad was a very good WR in the NFL, so he has some good “coaching”. I’ve watched this prospect on tape, he runs very good routes, has good hands, with about avg. speed. Like Kenny Bell he gets good seperation with his route running on most plays.

  5. Russell says:

    On the D side of the ball I mostly watched Armstead, who looks alot like Henry Anderson, with great size at the DE position. Armstead got a good push on most plays, saw some double teaming, but did very well maintaining his gap responsiblity. Tackled well, kept his feet moving avoiding the wash on most plays. Took good angles in chase down field, and was around the ball on most plays on his side of the field. Not a speed rusher off the edge, Armstead has good vision, while engauged with his block, and uses hands well to maintain space away from the blocker. He had more trouble with double teams, but held his ground fairly well.
    Graded Armstead, 8.7

  6. Russell says:

    I watched Jake Fisher alot in the College Superbowl, and he looked VERY good. Good hand use, moved his feet very well, punished the player he was blocking in the run game, picked up blitzing players with a chip, while blocking in his area. Pass blocking looked good as well, he got alittle upright (pads high) some times. State attacked/overloaded the right of the Oline, much more, blitzing only 4 times, on Fishers outside.
    Hrnoiss Grasu was in the thick of the D rush more, and again the State D attacked/overloaded the Right side OG and OT more than any area of the Oregon Oline. Grasu miss two blocks in the run game, but did get into the LB’s in the second level. Grasu moved/pulled very well, keeping his feet moving, good balance. Snapped the well very well, (shotgun) and took good angles for the most part. Good hand use in pass blocking, used very good leverage blocking, again mostly helping the ROG.
    I graded on a scale of 1-10 ,
    Fisher an 9.3
    Grasu an 8.6
    Ohio State OT Talyor Decker (staying in school) also played well. Very strong hand use, moved his feet well, kept his pads low, (he’s 6’7″) with good leverage. Blocking a tall DE (6’7″) he was able to turn his man in the run game sealing the edge. Baited the DE to take a “B” gap rush, chipping him, then getting to the second level in the run game. Pass blocking was also very good, keeping very good position, moving his feet very well, and again great hand use. Missed 2 blitz pickups,being “stuck” on the DE.
    I graded Decker an 9.4

  7. Stephen J says:

    Josh Norris likes WR Tre Mcbride who is playing this weekend at the East West Shrine game. Anybody have any thoughts is he someone who could be drafted and used on Special Teams while learning the offense for the 1st year. Would he be an improvement from what we already have in Tyms

  8. nick says:

    i think a lot of things were exposed last night. most notable both sides of the line. our interior o line continues to be a spot of desperation. not only guards, but i was dissapionted with stork. he was getting owned. he didn’t let up anything big – but he was manhandled. albeit against ngata primarily. on d, we have zero rush. this has literally been the case for years now. its clear its partially a system approach, a bend don’t break model. but it hurts us enough. and obviously in the run, yikes. i don’t know why the ravens didn’t just keep running, its was open all day. was also disappointed in the ILB play on the run. they just don’t fill holes well enough. collins and hightower to me are more finesse than brute. talented, bt limiting. not sure we can address the linebacker spot efficiently enough in the draft, so the first 4 rounds need to be on the line, unquestionably.

    I’ve got my eyes on

    and d line
    jordan phillips
    danielle hunter
    Owamagbe Odighizuwa
    Hauoli Kikaha

    • steve earle says:

      I like your first four o-line list, not convinced grasu is any upgrade on stork. I’d add Malcomb Brown to the d-line list otherwise nice job.

      • Philip says:

        dont be too hard on stork … nagta is a beast and stork a rookie … he will learn from it and only get better.

        i’d like to see erving at guard and also flemming next year at guard.

        go for o-line first an D-line in de second

    • PSW says:

      Ngata kills everyone its hardly a crime, for a rookie against that monster, I thought he was ok

  9. Daniel R. Martin says:

    Now, can we finally remove that picture of Joe Flacco from the homepage please?

    • steve earle says:

      Dan it’s 8:30 pm and Flacco is still their. How do we storm the site, I think I still have an old pitch fork out in the barn how you fixed for torches?

    • Russell says:


    • Daniel R. Martin says:

      Funny guys. Hey Steve, Russell how do you like our odds against the Colts. I was hoping they’d pull it off but never thought they’d be able to beat the Broncos. But in this game the Broncos looked terrible while the Colts looked very good on both sides of the ball. I got a bad memory of when I was hoping the ravens would dispatch the Broncos in the divisional round. They did. Then they beat us to. I know the Pats are the far superior team. They should roll. But Luck is 0-3 against us. Hopefully this isn’t the time for him to get “lucky.” I believe the Pats can beat either NFC team. If the panthers took care of the ball better they’d have been very competitive against the Seahawks last night. I am eagerly awaiting word on Stork and Browner’s injuries.

      Do you guys agree that bye week rust really hurt the Pats in the first half? The Broncos seemed to suffer from it as well.

      • steve earle says:

        Yea Daniel there could be something to the rust theroy off setting the extra healing time. Anyway we survived Balt “somewow” ( little joke there). As for the Colts, appearances look as though Luck has stepped up his game. Had to happen some time and this may be the new Brady/ Manning competition for the next few years. Having said that I think we match up pretty well against them. Our o-line has proven it can create an effective run game against them and TB can use that to exploit play action passing, don’t care how good their DB’s are we have Tom and Gronk. Colts o-line isn’t Balt so expect Our d-line to hold up well vs run and get some pressure on Luck. Where Luck has advantage is across our middle ( as everyone has) but we survived that once before and should again. I do not feel this will be the run away the first meeting was but just don’t think Colts have the overall team strength to win. Much depends on having healthy Stork and Browner( fingers crossed) but even if not we still should win.

      • Russell says:

        Hey, Daniel and Steve. First off I would NOT expect a better pass rush than Denver put up, about the same I think. Coverage also very similar to what Denver did, with a BB change up.
        The big differance will be on Offence, I look for more crossing patterns by the WR/TE, and out of the back field miss matches. Some run game, alittle more than Denver did, in the “B” gap and outside the OT.
        BB will hide his coverages better, Blitz alittle better than Denver, and drop Dline men in short area coverage, (Ayers, Ninkovich)
        On Spiecal teams, look for Edelman to have some good returns.
        Indy scored 20 last time they played, Denver gave-up 24, I think Indy scores alittle more, 26 this time around, but the Patriots should be able to score more, 34 or so.

        • steve earle says:

          We agree there Russell. Amendola is finally becoming a factor and another pawn for BB to torment the other side with. Go Pats!!!!!!

  10. Russell says:

    I also would not be surprised if BB moves UP in the draft to try to get DE/LB Fowler in the 1st.
    My Mock at draftsite.com has Fowler going to New Orleans, to high for BB to get.

    • steve earle says:

      I could live with that I think Russell. Tell me what’s your opinion on Marcus Golden Missu.?

      • nick says:

        steve, imo, golden was average on tape. nothing stood out. ill have to go back, but i believe a general thought was he didn’t get to the ball quickly enough. my favorite edge guys right now are – danielle hunter lsu, Hauoli Kikaha from wash, and fowler

        • steve earle says:

          Could be right nick, I was going on published ratings and haven’t spent time on his highlights yet. Where do you see those on your short list being taken? If to high or lower that could send my thinking back to the two OG’s #1 & #2. I’ve played with all kinds of mix and match, two o-line 1&2, 1&3, 2&3, 2&4. I keep coming back to the fact that the higher players are drafted the higher the chances are you get the kind of player your really hoping for. I know there could be two o-line taken in the 4th rd who will turn out to be a couple monsters but the odds there are far less then taking a couple “blue chip” guys early. Also I consider that with the rookie salery caps, and OG’s in particular, the contracts will be lower then compaired with if we selected a couple high profile, skill position prospects giving us more bang for the buck and better chance of having cap space to sign Revis , McCourty and others. Does this make sense to you?

        • Jeff says:

          The rookie contracts are based on what pick they are taken with, not what position they play, so I’m not sure how that affects it, other than if you’re comparing using a drafted player versus a free agent, in which case guards are probably some of the cheapest free agents positionally and thus provide a lower value in terms of the rookie contract savings. In terms of draft strategy with number 1 picks, I think these should always be long-term team-building picks. Assuming you re-sign Revis, McCourty, and Solder, you have foundational LT, QB, TE, DE, LB, CB, and S, and you’re hoping for the development of last years 1st rounder at DT as Wilfork finishes out his final years. I don’t consider guard a foundational type/rare to find position, even if they do get a lot of snaps (similar to RB, 2nd or 3rd receiver, fullback, 3rd linebacker, etc.), so I wouldn’t spend the 1st rounder on it unless there really weren’t other viable options and the value was overwhelming. I think the spots where you could use a foundation guy would be a second DE and an outside WR. While WRs are often over-valued, I think this offense would greatly benefit from a real presence on the outside to stretch the field horizontally and vertically.

        • steve earle says:

          @ Jeff. Thanks for clearing up the rookie contract pay scale for me Jeff, I wasn’t aware of that. Still can’t see where that changes the drastic need for an upgrade at OG. Buffalo ( now with Rex in charge), Miami and the Jets all with strong d-lines and drafting earlier, will be getting much toughter. Then we have to plan on facing Balt, GB and other playoff teams in the future. To go against these growing powers our o-line has to get better and sooner rather then as an after thought later. I’ve said it before, the odds of drafting one or two dominate OG’s is higher the higher they are picked. Sure we might be able to get a couple in the 4th rd but the odds of that decrease the lower the pick is. If we do not address that need effectivly it will not matter how good or how far a WR can stretch the field because Brady will not have the time to step up and get the ball to him. Watching Brady take hit after hit the other night even when the passing game was dink and dunk has to point out the problem which is not the lack of another WR.

        • Jeff says:

          Fair enough Steve – I agree that guard is the most urgent need and that the higher you pick a position, the greater the chance they work out. Agree to disagree on taking/avoiding guards in round 1 unless without overwhelming value, even if there is an urgent need! Enjoying the conversation as always!

        • steve earle says:

          @ Jeff, Okay agree to disagree. I too enjoy the back and forth here. It’s a pleasure talking football with guys who know football. So much info is shaired and I for one learn tons more then I ever could on my own. Thanks to you and all the guys here.

      • Russell says:

        OK Steve, Golden is an interesting prospect, 6’3″ 260LBs, and plays DE. I think he could be a good LB project, started out doing only Speical teams, Avg. speed 4.72 40yd. His DE tape shows a speed edge rusher,mostly out of a 3 point stance. Moves his feet well, tackles well. Fair hand use, But if the OT grabs on Golden is done, he can’t get off. His Off the field weight room work is fair, not a muscle body type, but a fast twitch muscle fiber guy. Good first step, stays out of the “wash”, runs around blockers. Avg. intelligence, shy’er guy, quite, trys hard.
        Golden is not on my Patriot draft board. The edge rushers in this draft don’t show good size AND good speed.
        Vic Beasley 6’2″ 235lbs , but has speed at 4.56 40yd.
        Davis Tull 6’2″ 245lbs, 4.58 40yd
        Thats why I like a guy with more size , like Henry Anderson 6’6″ 295lbs, a guy who can push an OT ,NOT a speed guy, a guy who maintains his gaps, solid in the run game, highly intelligent, good hand use,and gets hands up at the DE spot. I compare him to Ninkovich, only larger, who runs 4.98 40yd.(Not as fast as Nink.) I could see Anderson splitting time with Ninkovich, so Nink. could be fresher.

        • steve earle says:

          See what you mean. nick seems to have the same take on Golden. Guess I was shooting from the hip on that one.

        • steve earle says:

          Thinking it over more I could see Anderson as a 3rd rd option for us. I would put him in with a group of, Shawn Oakman, Nate Orchard and Owa Odighizuwa as good 3rd rd picks. All have good potential but need to be coached up and as you say could spell Nink and or Jones as they develope.

        • Russell says:

          Hay Steve, I like Orchard, as a LB Not a DE, and Oakman(staying in School), Odighizuwa maybe (skinny body type)IMO. I want a DE thats 6’5″ or more, 290Lbs who can push, and punish an OT. Ninkovich can push, but is 30-50 lbs lighter, and Does NOT punish the OT.
          C. Jones is a fast twitch guy, (at 270lbs??) but also is unable to punish an OT . Buchanan is similar to Jones, taller, but fast twitch guy, (edge rusher)
          I want a guy who can push an OT into the QB, while maintaining his gap responsiblities/ playing smart (like Ninkovich), I’m not looking for a sack guy, I want pressure (hands up)to disrupt/move the QB. BB had the idea last year with Zach Moore.
          Henry Anderson
          Arik Armstead move to DE,
          maybe Odighizuwa

        • steve earle says:

          OK Russell you got my attention and see your point. Oakman is out so, and by your standards, that only leaves Anderson, and Christian Coventon (who is rehabing) to fit. Anderson looks to be a nice fit as a 3rd while Covington could be 4th. I’d be very happy with Anderson as our 3rd but not a 2nd as you have mocked him before. I’m still holding out for a couple dominate OG’s though. To allow for Anderson my mock would have to go something like this:
          1) Arie Kouandjio OG Ala
          2) pkg with 4a to move up) AJ Cann OG S. Car
          3) Henry Anderson DE Stan
          3 comp) Kurtis Drummond S Mich St
          4a) pkg with 2nd
          4b) Terry Williams DT S. Car
          5) traded
          6) Dadi Nicolas DE/OLB VTec. ( very fast but small, Sp Teams deamon?)
          7) Davis Tull DE/OLB Chatt ( just to make Russell happy)

        • Russell says:

          OK Steve! like the new look with DE Anderson AND Tull !! I think Dai Nicolas is staying in school.
          If you look at the tape/numbers Beasley and Tull are VERY close !

        • steve earle says:

          Yea Dadi could be staying in school, not alot of info on him. I saw him rated 7th-FA but intrigued by his reported speed 4.55 @ 6-2 235. But tha’s okay guys that far down the draft are hard to follow. And Tull is worth a look down there and could be a fine Sp Teams or pratice sqd guy to develope.

      • nick says:

        lot of good discussion going on here. steve, i agree with you. i go back and forth on which combinations to take – o line, d line when and where. i go back to the ravens game and the playoffs in general – this is where teams get exposed the most in these big games. i first feel like eery year our pass rush brings us down. at least for the last 4 years or so we continue to get minimal pressure on the qb. this has a few implications. surely, this is partially a scheme thing. at the same time, guys like wilfork, jones and nink just don’t seem to get the pass rush done on a consistent basis. so, watching the d i noticed a lack of pressure inside and outside. i think we need a younger version of vince and more athleticism and power outside. take a look at danielle hunter out of lsu- big, fast, athletic. he’s the guy. also, jordan phillips, the nose tackle. these are the guys we need, but I’m sure we will only be able to get one in the first 2 rounds. then, obviously, is the o line. we couldn’t be more meak here. so the strategy becomes – what do u do in the draft? there are so many variables to consider with free agency. who knows what we have going in. but my top 4 needs are – 1 d end, 1 d tackle, 2 guards. after that, just gotta see how the board plays out i guess.

  11. Kevan says:

    Well I really don’t know what to say. I guess all I can say is I was just flat out 100% wrong about that game.

    • acm says:

      Cheer up, mate. You weren’t far off at all – you got the Pats score to within 4 pts, while the for that of the Ravens, you just needed to flip the digits.
      So, glass half-full it is 😉

      • Kevan says:

        I’m just glad pats won acm. I’m glad I got to watch the game alone because anybody would of put me in a psychiatric facility for an evaluation if they saw me. One week in those places and anybody is crazy.

        • steve earle says:

          Hey Kevan, I worked in some of those places and your right. Honestly think some of “experts” are crazier then the patients. They just hid it better.

        • Kevan says:

          Yea it would take a special person to work that kind of job for any length of time. Someone that cares enough, but also someone that doesn’t let things bother them. That’s hard to get in the same person. I would have to agree that the staff is just as crazy, just from personal experience. I remember being in high school, after I took a large amount of valume, I had to go to this place, counseler or I was going to get expelled. So years later I find my counseler at bar all drugged up getting the train ran on her! Holy crap I was a dumb kid what’s your excuse? But that’s just scratching the surface. At this point I’m just at odds with the whole mental health field practice. People are over diagnosed, it’s pretty scary actually. I have more family on psychotropic drugs than not. Lucky for me I just always knew they weren’t the answer. People get zombified. Eat healthy, sweat atleast once if you can twice a day, problem solved. A good documentary to watch is “making a killing” and “the secret enemy”. Both on youtube

  12. Russell says:

    Dissappointed with C.Jones, lost containment on 8 plays, missed 4 tackles, and put little pressure on the QB, going up agains’t a rookie OT.
    Patriot Dline rarely get thier hands up, not getting to the QB.
    Hightower was blocked often,and was unable to get free, and does not pass cover well.
    Volmer played very well , Solder did well also.

    • steve earle says:

      Jones has fallen back into habits that he had starting out the year. Not setting an edge can’t continue no matter how good his rush is. Not that the rest of the d-line was any better, they just got handled all game.

    • Ryan says:

      Agreed on all counts. Chandler Jones has no positive impact on that game and reverted to his habits from last year that only worked against poor teams. Hurst absolutely manhandled him.

      On a related note, why didn’t Belicheck put Ayers in? He’s been great for situational pass rush since we traded for him and we desperately needed to pressure Flacco that game.

      • steve earle says:

        Guess he was relying on coverage alone? Wasn’t a great success.

      • td says:

        In Jones’ defense, it was big bodies to combat that blocking scheme and get the edge set, not put on max. pressure. That damn Texan’s flow and cut blocking gets DLinemen looking every which way for the cut block or barrel roll blocks. Much like NYJets D, we seem to have a lot of problems with Raven’s O.

        We do need another edge rusher or two, but BB places a premium on run D over sacks. Ayers is a UFA after this year. Not sure where Buchanan stands at the moment.

      • MM-II says:

        It seemed to me that Hurst “manhandled” Chandler because the refs apparently weren’t enforcing Illegal Hands to the Face. Hurst appeared to be treating Chandler’s head like the top of a Pez dispenser about every other play. On alternate plays, Hurst was merely putting Chandler in a bear hug.

        Was Offensive Holding even called once on either OL in the game?

        That said, I agree that Chandler’s contain and run defense hasn’t improved much more than marginally since his rookie season and, even when he isn’t being illegally thwarted, he still doesn’t get pressure with the consistency that Nink does.

        It feels like that Pats could stand an upgrade there.

    • steve earle says:

      It has occured to me suddenly that our LB’s poor outing may have been as much a function of the Balt line just driving our front 7 back so effectivly that Hightower and co had no room to work. Is that possable do you think?

    • Jeff says:

      Jones did get a good number of pressures though, and I remember 1 or 2 times at least that he held the edge and made a tackle around the line of scrimmage. He didn’t pop, but I wouldn’t say his game was bad either.

  13. Russell says:

    Draft update;
    1st- OL Hroniss Grasu
    2nd- OL Jake Fisher
    3d-DL Henry Anderson
    3d(comp) LB/DE Nate Orchard
    4th(tampa) WR Kenny Bell
    4th- LB Jeff Luc
    6th- LB Davis Tull
    7th- WR Kevin Vereen jr.

    I really like OL Erving, DE/LB Fowler, but think they are gone by the Patriots 1st.

    • steve earle says:

      Better Russell and your eval. brakedown right on the money. But why do you draft an undersized OC who is one demensional in collage ( great pass blocker, average run blocker) as your #1?

      • Russell says:

        I really like Grasu , how he moves, and can get to the next level, his hand use as a blocker, the angles he takes, his quickness, and his size is OK at 6’3″ 295lbs. He is not that much differant from Fisher, who I see as an OG. I also like Grasu’s back round, intelligence, a Senior, who has played in alot of games, and his leadership.
        Grasu,is very similar,to Connolly, Wendel, and Storks. Coach Scar, will some impute,I’m sure.

        • Russell says:

          Also Grasu will be on the board for the Patriots here.

        • steve earle says:

          True but when matched against a bigger NT or DT he can’t get movement. We saw that last night. Gee, we have to block the first level before we talk about the 2nd.

        • steve earle says:

          Don’t mean we saw him last night, but our line. 12 rushing yards!

  14. Rusell says:

    Draft update:

    1st- OL-Hroniss Grasu
    2nd- OL- Jake Fisher
    3d- DL – Henry Anderson
    3d (Comp)- LB/DE Nate Orchard
    4th-(tampa)-WR -Kenny Bell
    4th- LB-Jeff Luc
    6th- LB – Davis Tull
    7th-WR- Kevin Vereen Jr.

  15. Joe Blake says:

    Go D Line with number 1, cut Wilfork!!!

    • steve earle says:

      Wolfolk is not what he once was but he is still a fine run stuffer, probably best we have right now. He reworked his contract last spring so he is not a big burden on the cap. We should draft d-line help in comming draft, right after we get a couple o-linemen.

  16. Dan Sullivan says:

    Blount and Gray each rush for 100 yards! On to next round!

    Free Agent I like for Patriots.
    Torrey Smith WR Ravens
    Roy Helu RB Redskins
    Jerry Hughes DE Bills
    Doug Free OT Dallas

    1 Arik Armstead DE Oregon
    2 Carl Davis DT Iowa
    3 Laken Tomlinson G Duke
    4 Hau’Oli LB Washington
    4 Devin Smith WR Ohio State
    6 Bryce Hager ILB Baylor
    7 Jahwan Edwards RB Ball State
    7 Justin Cox S Mississippi St.

    • Russell says:

      I like LB Casey Matthews from Philly as a free agent, and should not cost to much.

    • steve earle says:

      Helu has injury problems besides we have Blount and Gray maybe even Ridley to fill the power back roll. I still say we should take two o-line early (1st &3rd) and d-line 2nd rd. It all depends on who is available.

    • td says:

      If we sign McCourty and/or Revis there won’t be much money or cap space for FA’s like Smith or Hughes. We do get an extra $7.5 from Hernandez’s excellerated dead money next year, plus the cap will probably go up another 5-10 million.

    • Jim R says:

      first 5 picks should net 2-OL 1-DT 1-Hybrid DE/LB 1 Offensive skill position TE/WR. Most likely he will deal the first rounder which could pick up a 2/4. I may be tapped however I think they can get something out of Dobson/Boyce.

    • Jeff says:

      FA WR Smith may not be a great fit for the Pats – I actually really like him as a receiver, but the Pats need an outside receiver with more versatility, a guy that can run a deep route, but not exclusively. As far as I know, Smith mostly runs deep routes.

  17. Stephen J says:

    Malcolm Brown, DT, Texas (6’2/320) – Late 1st – Early 2nd
    Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana (6’1/210) – Late 1st – 2nd Round
    Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami(FL) (6’6/324) – Late 1st – Early 2nd
    Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin (6’1/213) – 1st – Early 2nd Round
    Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia (6’1/231) — Late 1st Round
    Eli Harold, DE/OLB, Virginia (6’4/250) – Late 1st – 2nd Round
    Bernardick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (6’5/249) – Late 1st – 2nd Round
    Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (6’0/198) – Late 1st Round if character concerns are alleviated
    Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma (6’6/334) – 1st – 2nd Round
    Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (6’3/215) – Late 1st – 2nd Round
    P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State (6’0/196) – Late 1st – 2nd Round

    Out of these 11 late 1st round Early 2nd round choices who are your top 5 choices you like to see the Pats select with their 1st round pick if available

    1 Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami(FL) (6’6/324)
    2 Bernardick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (6’5/249)
    3-4 Malcolm Brown, DT, Texas (6’2/320) or Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma (6’6/334)
    5 P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State (6’0/196)
    That is my 5 based on positon of need then thinking towards future replacements then shoring up areas with better talent

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