Examining Patriots’ Injured Reserve, Non-Football Injury Lists

Like several other Patriots, No. 67 Cory Grissom saw his 2013 season end before it began. (USA Today Sports Images)

NEPD Editor: Oliver Thomas

The New England Patriots 2013 campaign was one of attrition. Two captains were lost for the season by Week 6. A total of six starters were lost by the playoffs. And, per the Patriots official site, a collection of 13 players finished the year on injured reserve or the reserve/non-football injury list – excluding injury settlements.

New England’s season-ending injuries consisted of 16 Pro Bowl appearances and over $28.6 million in annual salary, according to Spotrac.com. The assortment consisted of both experience and youth, netting an average age of 26 years old. There were three veterans with at least 10 years of NFL tenure; there were five rookies and first-year players in the mix as well.

Yet now that the season itself has ended and the focus has turned to the offseason, what does it all mean for head coach Bill Belichick and director of player personnel Nick Caserio? What could the future hold?

Let’s revisit the assortment of Patriots set to come off the injured lists.

Injured Reserve:

Josh Boyce, Wide Receiver

A fourth-round pick out of Texas Christian last April, Josh Boyce’s rookie season consisted of nine catches for 121 yards and nine kick returns for 214 yards over nine games, before landing on IR with an ankle injury in early January. The 5’11”, 205-pound 23-year-old didn’t emerge from fellow rookies Aaron Dobson and Kenbrell Thompkins, but he flashed against the Cleveland Browns, garnering three receptions for 49 yards and a key pass-interference penalty late in the fourth quarter. Boyce’s quick, yards-after-catch skillset suits him for the “Z” or inside receiver role, as he’s been able to make plays in space on designed screens and short outs. That said, he was thrust into the “X” spot when injuries shortened the wide receiver position. More will be expected from Boyce in 2014; he was a healthy inactive for five games over the mid-season stretch.

Cory Grissom, Defensive Tackle

Despite making a trip to the Senior Bowl and the NFL combine, the 6’2”, 316-pound Cory Grissom went undrafted out of South Florida before signing with the Patriots early last May. The 23-year-old plays with a well-grounded base, which helps him line up from the three-technique to the zero-technique and stop the run. The second-team All-Big East defensive tackle missed the opening days of training camp while nursing a concussion, but he was able to step in and be worthwhile in New England’s preseason games. Though, in the preseason finale, he suffered a high ankle sprain and was put on IR. Grissom provides value for the Patriots and figures to be back battling for a roster spot next summer. He has two years remaining on his contract.

Rob Gronkowski, Tight End

After working his way back from offseason back and forearm surgeries, two-time Pro Bowl tight end Rob Gronkowski’s 2013 came to a close on a helmet-to-knee blow versus the Browns, tearing his ACL and MCL. The Patriots were forced to adjust with more “12” personnel with tight ends Michael Hoomanawanui or Matthew Mulligan, as well as fullback James Develin and either LeGarrette Blount or Stevan Ridley. Yet in reality, replacing his double-team draws and end-zone size was an uphill climb – it was a climb that relied on receiving back Shane Vereen. Ultimately, the 6’6” 265-pound 24-year-old finished the season with 39 catches for 592 yards and four touchdowns in seven games. He is under contract through 2019, but it’s expected that the Patriots will bolster the tight end depth via the draft with his health uncertain for the start of next season.

Tommy Kelly, Defensive Tackle

After nine seasons with the Oakland Raiders, 6’6”, 310-pound defensive tackle Tommy Kelly joined the Patriots in the hopes of making his first playoff appearance. Unfortunately, the 33-year-old one-time Pro Bowler was unable to do so healthy, falling to injured reserve with a knee injury retroactive to the Cincinnati Bengals game. Kelly provided pass-rush from the inside of the line, particularly at the three-technique, amassing 22 tackles and 2.5 sacks in only five games. The 2004 undrafted free agent out of Mississippi State is due $3 million in 2014, but it remains to be seen if he will be back.

Jerod Mayo, Linebacker

The Patriots lost two-time Pro Bowler Jerod Mayo against the New Orleans Saints, as the linebacker tore a pectoral muscle. The 6’1”, 250-pound team captain posted 55 tackles and 1.5 sacks in only six games, and his absence stamped the green dot on Dont’a Hightower’s helmet, while also incorporating Dane Fletcher and rookie Jamie Collins during 3-4 alignments. The 27-year-old weak-side linebacker is under contract through 2017, holding some security for New England’s second level.

T.J. Moe, Wide Receiver

After going undrafted out of Missouri, the 6’0”, 200-pound T.J. Moe signed on with the Patriots. But during organized team activities in the spring, the wide receiver tore his Achilles and was subsequently waived before latching onto IR. Moe is under contract through 2015-2016 and was given a $30,000 signing bonus – indicative of his value as a UDFA. For what it’s worth, he ran the fastest three-cone time of a wideout at last February’s NFL Scouting Combine and snared 92 passes in 2010 when current Jacksonville Jaguar Blaine Gabbert was the Tigers quarterback.

Brandon Spikes, Linebacker

Brandon Spikes’ season – and perhaps his Patriots career – ended against the Buffalo Bills in Week 17, as the 2010 second-round linebacker aggravated his preexisting meniscus injury while attempting to tackle Buffalo tailback C.J. Spiller. When the 6’2”, 255-pound 26-year-old was placed on IR some seven days later, it came as a surprise due to the idle period between transactions. But regardless of how and why it all transpired, the enigmatic run-stopper is set to become an unrestricted free agent this March and is unlikely to return, despite grading out as the top run-stopping inside linebacker in 2013, per Pro Football Focus. The Florida product tallied 86 tackles, a forced fumble, two pass breakups and an interception this year. His strong-side snaps were replaced primarily by Collins against the Indianapolis Colts, who played his best all-around game as a pro.

Sebastian Vollmer, Offensive Tackle

Sebastian Vollmer was lost for the season on a strong-side power run against the Dolphins in Week 8. The 6’8”, 315-pound right tackle was sent down face first, and it was later learned that New England’s 2009 second-round pick had a broken bone in his right leg. The 52-game starter enjoying a standout year was supplanted by 2011 fifth-rounder Marcus Cannon for much of the duration, who performed well. But losing Vollmer inevitably impacted the in-pocket time allotted for Tom Brady, and the depth of the passing routes. The 29-year-old German native is under contract through 2016-2017 after re-signing last offseason.

Vince Wilfork, Defensive Tackle

The 2013 season of All-Pro defensive tackle Vince Wilfork came to an abrupt end in Week 4 against the Atlanta Falcons, as the 6’2”, 325-pounder ruptured his Achilles tendon. And with that, the Patriots defensive front was forced to adapt without his leadership, versatility, pocket push and run enforcement. The 32-year-old is under contract through next season; however, he is also set to earn $7.5 million – a considerable sum, especially given the severity of his injury. The 10-year vet has been vital to the Patriots since he took over the starting job in 2005, although restructuring or extending his contract would be a logical move. New England could very well draft a defensive tackle early this May, providing depth alongside Wilfork and young interior linemen Sealver Siliga, Chris Jones and Joe Vellano.

Adrian Wilson, Safety

Five-time Pro Bowl safety Adrian Wilson signed on with the Patriots last offseason after a dozen seasons with the Arizona Cardinals. A linebacker-sized defensive back at 6’3”, 230 pounds, the 34-year-old was competing for a roster spot and “Money” duties when placed on injured reserve during the final Aug. 31 cuts. His last playing time came in the second half of New England’s preseason finale, but Wilson later announced via Twitter that he had undergone Achilles surgery. Due over $3.6 million through the next two seasons, his future with the Patriots is very much up in the air. The strong safety depth chart includes starter Steve Gregory, 2013 third-rounder Duron Harmon, 2012 second-rounder Tavon Wilson, and also 2012 sixth-round special-teamer Nate Ebner.

Markus Zusevics, Offensive Tackle

An Iowa product who went undrafted largely due to a pectoral tear suffered at the 2012 combine, Markus Zusevics has been in New England’s wings for the last two seasons. The 6’5”, 300-pound offensive tackle was activated to the 53-man roster from the reserve/non-football injury list in November of his rookie season but did not appear in a game. And on Aug. 26 of 2013, the 24-year-old was placed on IR, ending his second season. Zusevics has seen reps at both tackle and guard for the Patriots. He is under contract through next year.

Non-Football Injury:

Armond Armstead, Defensive Tackle

Once seen as a potential Day 1 or Day 2 draft pick, the future of former USC defensive tackle Armond Armstead was cast in doubt after suffering a heart attack in March of 2011. When cleared to return, medical concerns left him undrafted. The 6’5”, 305-pounder found a home as a member of the Toronto Argonauts in 2012, however, totaling 43 tackles, six sacks and two forced fumbles. And since signing with New England last February, mysterious lore has followed him. The team announced that the 23-year-old underwent surgery to treat an infection between OTAs and training camp. But he did not return to the field before the reserve/non-football injury designation deadline expired. If Armstead is 100 percent, he has tremendous pass-rushing upside from the five-technique and three-technique. He is under contract through the 2015-2016 season.

Mark Harrison, Wide Receiver

A 6’3”, 230-pound wideout by way of the Rutgers pipeline, Mark Harrison signed with the Patriots after going undrafted and failing a physical with the Chicago Bears. The contingency was a broken fifth metatarsal bone suffered while working out for his pro day. And that contingency continued to hamper him after agreeing to terms with the Patriots, as the team kept him on NFI for the duration of the season. The 23-year-old has the measurables – 35-inch arms, a 38.5-inch vertical leap, and sub-4.5 40-yard dash speed – to be an overmatching outside target in the NFL. He was essentially redshirted as a rookie, however, saving the Patriots financially and personnel-wise with three rookie wideouts on the 53-man roster. Two years are left on his rookie deal.

Tags: 2014 Roster, Cory Grissom, Vince Wilfork

146 Responses to “Examining Patriots’ Injured Reserve, Non-Football Injury Lists”

  1. J H TARBORO says:

    According to KFFL.com the Vikings could make a play for Ryan Mallett.

    • Interesting, do they think it more then just do diligence?

      • J H TARBORO says:

        They it’s ties to new Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer.

        • Yes, I read that just thought perhaps there was more that I didn’t find on the site. Seems like speculation more then infomation if that’s all. Guess we just wait and see if anything comes of it?

    • Russell says:

      I wonder if the Patriots could trade QB Mallett and our 1st pick (29), to Tennesse for 1st pick (11)??

      • Daniel R. Martin says:

        That would be awesome!

      • Alex (freemanator) says:

        No we can’t. We’d be lucky to get a third round pick for him, let alone a second, or in this case an extra first round pick worth of value.

      • Anythings possable but if Tenn even considered something like that I think they would want a little more. Maybe one of our 6th’s would be enough or possable another pick next year or something. If Bill was able to pull off that deal I’d bet a coffee and donut he manovers that pick into 3 other picks.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          But everything isn’t possible. I know the trade value chart isn’t gospel, and that trades all depend on the players available at the picks, but Tennessee would be effectively giving us a late first round pick for Mallett. No-one will do that. He’s shown nothing in regular NFL action, he’s underwhelmed in preseason, they’ll need to resign him before they know what they have and he’ll be available in FA next offseason. No way you give up a first round pick for that.

          Yes we might be able to get a high third for him, but even that is pushing credibility. A first round pick is not going to happen, without something drastically changing the playing field. And that something would be after this draft. It would involve Mallett lighting up preseason, and a starter going down midseason, and even then it would be unlikely.

  2. J H TARBORO says:

    Here is one more for you S.Carolina’s DE/OLB Chaz Sutton has the “freakish” athlete label, he plays on the opposite side of Jadaveon Clowney. Chaz Sutton highlights on youtube,

  3. J H TARBORO says:

    For those who have Shayne Skov, Trent Murphy, and AJ Tarpley on their boards, checkout this underated guy thats responsible for most of their success, Josh Mauro, i really like this guy and the fit, especially if we grab a DT in this draft, he’s long, explosive, and efficient, go to Josh Mauro career highlights on youtube, and check him out for yourselves.

  4. Oops, Payton missed another chance to become immortal as so many of the pundents were so eager to have him be. I just guess no matter how good the team around him is they just aren’t good enough, or perhaps he just doesn’t do so well when it really counts?
    Oh yea, who says defenses don’t win championships anymore?

    • nik says:

      steve – who would you choose for the first 5 picks of this draft? ive found ive agreed with your opinion on this site often..

      my initial thinking for this draft was that we needed more offensive weapons. still, i think the TE niklas and a receiving RB should be targeted.

      after seeing the seahawks d, not to mention the struggles this year, shouldnt we be valuing pass rush/CB/S in this draft? we need speed up front and physicality in the backfield.

      who you got?

      • Thanks for the confidencs vote nik. Well really it all depends on how things unfold but if I go with just my top 5 hoped for picks they would be:

        1#29 ASJ TE Wash
        2#? Travis Swanson OC Ark
        3 ? DaQuan Jones DT Penn St
        4 Ahmad Dixon SS Baylor
        6a Deshavor Everett CB Tex A&M

        This would cover 5 areas of needs, but not everthing, with prospects I believe reasonably could be taken in those places and challange for either starting rolls fairly soon or fill depth/developmental rolls challanging current players at their positions. If Bill trades down the #29 for more picks or a player(s) for more, then this would change slightly by adding other selections. Also I think there are more then just a few 3rd day prospects that would be well worth bringing aboard.

        • I should probably explaine my reasoning about this. As I see it there are two catagories of possable picks. First are the needs and second are the wants. I would love to take another pass catching RB and a speed rushing DE that can slide inside but these would go under the wants catagory but at this moment in time we still have a full backfield to run the ball and three viable DE’s. Then the needs, we need another dominate TE, I picked ASJ as he has more experance in the passing game then your man and is more likely to be around at #29 then the other 2 top rated TE’s, We need OC because Windell is vunerable and becoming free agent. WE need youth and talent at DT because both Wilfolk and Kelley are coming back from injury and are 10 year vets. If healthy and 100% they will give the push inside that will keep double teams off our DE’s but if not we must insure the line has the players to do so thus DaQuan Jones. And then SS and CB I know you recognize the needs there so little else need be said.

        • Russell says:

          Nice Steve; I like top five;
          Trade 1st (29) to Dallas for 2nd (47) ,5th (146) and 3d in 2015 draft.

          2nd (47) CB Kyle Fuller
          2nd (61) LB/S Tevlin Smith
          3d (93) TE Arthur Lynch
          4th (125) RB LaDaruis Perkins
          5th (146) CB Walt Aikens or CB Phillip Gaines

        • Daniel R. Martin says:

          That would be a helluva lot less than our identical spotted pick was valued at by the Vikings last year.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          It would Dan, but Russell always gives poor value in trades, and tends to pick players ‘early’. I presume because he wants to try and be realistic, which is a good reason, still I’d expect much better value in a trade. BB has only been ripped off once in a trade, and that was in 2011 with the first trade down with Green Bay, and that was because we had no leverage and were desperate to trade down.

          Nice picks Steve, but Everett didn’t declare early, so he’s not in this draft. Who’d you take instead?

  5. J H TARBORO says:

    I always said the Superbowl ring that Peyton has will be his one and only! Tom is still the best!

  6. Daniel R. Martin says:

    It has recently been rumored that Glassmandola could be cut. I don’t believe this move will save us a great deal of money immediately. However, I certainly don’t see the logic in paying the man his egregiously high salary for him to waste roster space because he is perpetually hurt. I didn’t see the logic in bringing him in to begin with. And while it shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone paying attention that he didn’t even make it out of the preseason without being injured, that didn’t keep me from shaking my head. The worst part is losing Edelman, who holds the all-time NFL record for punt return average and was greatly more productive in the slot, because of On-the-mend-ola’s contract. That being said, he is athletic and talented, and his salary, while nearly 1,000% percent higher than Edelman’s, is a paltry sum compared to the price tag of a truly elite receiver.

    • Exactly right. Why Bill refuses to pay the good productive players that prove themselves and brings in the make do, injury prone or over the hill gang I do not know?

    • acm says:

      A lot would depend on the small print in his contract and how players like TJ Moe or Josh Boyce come along in training camp. Emannuel Sanders could also be an option too. Personally, I expect at least two of Amendola, Edelman, Sanders to be with the Pats for the 2014 season.
      Hopefully they can get a vet WR fro the outside too – Jones and Nicks come to mind, especially the latter who shouldn’t be prohibitively expensive after an underwhelming 2013 season. Need that veteran presence for the WR core and can’t keep hoping that late-round rookies would magically turn things around.

      I expect good things from Dobson and Boyce next year.

      • Russell says:

        I aree WR Sanders is a real possiblity, Pitt. has very little Cap room. I like Maclin or even Riley cooper from Philly , but Philly has over 17 mil. on cap room to sign guys. Nicks is not a guy I like .

        • acm says:

          Nicks isn’t topping my wishlist either but considering the need for a savvy, vet WR who can play not just on the outside but inside routes too, and the prohibitively narrow cap room, I don’t see too many alternatives – would have to be a player who’s coming off a down year, with limited marketability. In all fairness, even someone like James Jones would be a pipe-dream, forget about all those feel-good rumors about Fitzgeraled.
          And the draft isn’t a solution or this particular need too, imo – there are plenty of young WR on the roster already, another late-round rookie is highly unlikely to be a diff maker. The WR core needs some veteran talent at this point in time, imo.

  7. acm says:

    Peyton was betrayed by his OL, RBs, WRs, defense and special teams. Peyton himself was flawless.

    - The Mannings

  8. Daniel R. Martin says:

    Everything that we are discussing is, quite obviously, highly speculative. But, this is a fun way to idle away the long months leading up to the regular season. With the help of many highly informed contributors on this page, I feel as though I have completed a quality mock draft. I am only looking to make a couple of minor adjustments. Primarily, I am looking to replace Craig Loston in the 4th with another hard hitting safety. I see the value in Dixon being taken with this selection. I just don’t believe the Pats’ front office will be looking to draft too many players with documented criminal records. Additionally, I’m looking to add one more pick late on the offensive line.

    In my personal fantasy draft Belichick has traded the 1st for a 2, 3 ,4 & 7, just as he did last year. Ryan Mallet is traded to the Texans for the 33rd overall pick (wishful thinking, I know). However, that has been the rumor lately. Additionally, I have added one compensatory pick that we may not receive. However, what is the fun with such idle speculation if you can’t dream?

    Once I’ve finished my mock I will be searching for additional team related hobbies to waste time until the next season begins. I’m beginning to feel as though I am expending too much personal time checking for news updates and researching possible trade rumors. But what else is a football guy to do, watch basketball or something? Nah, not for me.

    I would like to see the preseason truncated to two games. I’d like to see the regular season expanded by two games, even if expanding team rosters and including an additional bye week is necessary to accomplish this. I am definitely against the expansion of the amount of teams allowed into the playoffs. I wouldn’t have the same appreciation for the NFL post season if it resembled the NBA, in which half the teams are allowed to compete. Also, Id like to see the Superbowl expanded to a best of 3 series. 16 games that matter is far too few. The off season is too, too long. And I HATE the thought of an unbeaten team losing the Superbowl to a team with a 9-7 record because anyone can have either a greatly fortuitous amount of luck or a disaster filled turn of events that allow the lesser team to play better during a 3 hour stretch.

    But, let’s keep this great conversation going! This is, by far, the best fan forum I have yet to find.

    • Daniel R. Martin says:

      2 – Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE (33rd Overall for Mallet)

      2 – Antonio Richardson OT (Received for 1st Rd pick)

      2 – Dominique Easley DL

      3 – Brandon Coleman WR (Received for 1st Rd pick)

      3 – Chris Boreland ILB (Plays like Jamie Collins with the Heart of a lion. He will be drafted well behind his consistent level of production simply due to being undersized.)

      4 – Craig Loston SS (Received for 1st Rd pick)

      4 – Dri Archer RB/WR/PR/KR –

      6 — Colt Lyerla TE

      6 – Aaron Murray QB

      C6 – Seantrell Henderson OT

      7 – Boseko Lokombo ILB **Could be steal of the draft!**

      7 – Best Available Player – Or trade to move up in earlier rounds. (Received for 1st Rd pick)

      • J H TARBORO says:

        Dan, another place I look for talent is the NFL regional combine starting Febuary 8th in Houston and continuing thru the month and college teams pro days, this is going to be a very interesting month and half, and I’m predicting a few surprises at the NFL combine. The 1st is if Dri Archer is at the combine, you might see the 1st sub 4.2 40yd. Go down. Just sayin.

      • Your doing a good job with your mock Dan even if it does push the envelope. Looking for a good O-linemen later? How about Spencer Long OG Neb? Russell turned me on to this guy. He was hurt early this last season but had been regarded as one of the better OG’s. Said to be a mauler who played angry, he is projected to have slipped into a day 3 prospect. It might be he would miss some of camp and early part of season ( like Cannon did) and still be active later on and help out then?

        • Daniel R. Martin says:

          Thanks for the help and support Steve. I will definitely check this guy out because angry maulers are precisely what we need on both sides of the ball!

        • Daniel R. Martin says:

          I can’t find any highlight videos or game footage of him. But if you like it I love it! The one thing I can see is that he was nearly a permanent fixture on the field. Aside from being tripped and injured, he started nearly every game!

          I’m penciling him in for the final 7th round pick. We need people who play angry.

          Thanks Steve.

  9. J H TARBORO says:

    Buffalo hires Pepper Johnson as D-line coach

  10. J H TARBORO says:

    Guys, look at the article on Patriots. com labeled “short window”, i believe Edleman wants to test the FA waters, i thought he felt that way anyways.

    • Bill Vermont says:

      I always liked Edelman. Despite his limited play and injuries, especially when Welker went down, he played great. Now it’s his turn for the big money and unless Pats pny up, why wouldn’t he go. His situation reminds me of Woodhead and someone will pay him.
      IF Amendola and Dobson can stay healthy, and if Gronk comes back, and if a rookieTE develops fast enough, we will beOK. Lots of IFs there. My money goes to Talib first.
      S

      • J H TARBORO says:

        Bil, i agree! but let Talib go, with the cost and the bad hip, let him go, they’re too many long corners in this draft to invest for the future. It’s an indictment against some of the DB coaches to get them ready, other cities get their rookies ready, why can’t we!l

        • Russell says:

          Rookies are far cheaper and may have more of a future as well, 3-4 years $1.7- 2.3 mil.,…. Talib 3 years $21 mil.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          We’ve done well with Dennard and Ryan.

          And it’s all well and good not resigning FAs, to get younger prospects in the draft, but we only have so many draft picks.

          With a favourable trade down, and later trade up, we have at best 5 picks in the first three rounds, more likely 4, and plenty of places we’d like to upgrade.

          We should use FA to try and stabilise and improve the team, as long as the price is right. Talib, or another top tier CB (DRC, Verner, Grimes etc) would be my number one choice, followed by an outside WR or Interior O-lineman. Blount and Edelman are also in play, but I can’t see us valuing them as richly as the league will.

        • What you say is right, the problem here in NE is that after their rookie contract, if they are ang good, Bill lets them walk rather then paying them so we are constantly playing catch-up and fielding “make do” players in so many positions that even Brady can’t pull us over the hump. Now I know we had tons of injuries this year but this has become the rule rather then the exception for the past several years.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          Come on Steve, you don’t buy that do you? We always spend most of our cap, and roll the rest over, we don’t hoard money we spend it.
          If BB lets a guy go, it’s not because he’s cheap, it’s because the guy is asking for too much money, and you can’t afford to overpay when there’s a salary cap.

          Also who was the last talented guy we drafted that we lost? Wasn’t it Richard Seymour, who we got a first round pick for?

          There’s a reason people are talking about the Seahawks window, because they have all that cheap talent, and they will lose at least half of it in a couple of years.

  11. Pete H. says:

    Question for folks. Let’s assume that out of the young receivers, Dobson makes the best year 2 jump and becomes a good starter, and Boyce and Thompkins remain best suited for spot start duties, depth, and multiple receiver sets. Let’s also assume Amendola stays on as a slot receiver and Gronk remains along with a decent backup to allow him to take time with any injuries. Now, the offense has Dobson as an outside receiver, Amendola in the slot, and Gronk as a tight end, with Ridley and Vereen as the running backs. While the Pats can plug in players in that 5th skill player slot, it would be great to have another impact player. A lot of folks have been clamouring for a Hernandez-replacement, but I also recall times at which we thought that the middle of the field was too crowded with Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, and Woodhead. Would it make more sense to target a second outside receiver rather than another Hernandez-style player? The offense may lose some of it’s pop when running the ball without a second tight end, but the passing game should become more versatile to compensate, taking advantage of Brady’s skills (think about Denver’s offense with 2 outside WR, 1 slot receiver, 1 tight end, 1 running back). So here’s the question: if you could add a good starting flex tight end or a good starting outside receiver, which would you choose?

    • Pete H. says:

      Or would you just re-sign Edelman and have a second slot/Z WR because we know he works well with Brady, and adjust the scheme to account for that?

      • J H TARBORO says:

        Pete, i believe Edleman will not be here come training camp, he had to watch a guy like Amendola come in and watch him get paid 5yrs 40mil with 10 mil guaranteed and he wasn’t suppose to be that guy and received a 1mil dollar salary and picked up the slack for this guy who never stays healthy, he caught a 105 passes from Brady this season, but i believe the team want to go in a different direction just like last year.

        • Pete H. says:

          I’m with you on that one. I think he’s gone – but I’m sure there may be some folks who think the Patriots should make that investment.

        • I have no idea if Welker stays or goes but consider his value as a punt returner as well as the 102 receptions. Also Amendola lived up to his history as an injury prone player and I see no reason to expect that to change this year or the year after that. To me it would make more sense to invest in a proven player then to hope those unproven will be able to step up.
          How you get the ball down field, by another outside WR or another TE, is less important then getting it done. An outside WR is usually a one demensional player whereas a TE like Gronk is two demensional, a great receiving threat and also a powerful blocker. There is no reason to think our offense would be less effective with 2 TE’s rather then 2 WR’s or vis versa. Our draft should be judged by drafting the players that project to have the greatist impact thus the greatist value.

        • Bill Vermont says:

          Red zone was the problem lazy year. Another TE or that big kid from Florida State I can’t think of his name right now, but he would help. This kid Harrison from Rutgers that was IR this year. He could help.

    • Jim R says:

      I would love to see a veteran WR on the roster this year either by trade or F/A, Bolden or Vincent Jackson come to mind. I think you bring back Edelman, in all fairness to amendola the reports are that he toughed it out this year (which has been part of the knock on him) I think he can be very productive. I think you draft a TE in the first 3 rounds to compliment GRONK. Running back is a plug and chug position. Vereen/Blount/Bolden/Ridley keep 3 and add a UDFA to the mix. Offense should see a bump in production next year. PLEASE DRAFT A CORNERBACK WITH LENGTH AND A FREAKIN SAFETY WHO CAN MAKE PLAYS.

    • Alex (freemanator) says:

      Good question Pete.

      I think either would be great, and both would be brilliant. I think it is harder to find a good outside guy, especially early on in his career, than it is a TE, and the team has had plenty of chances to show they value outside WRs more, and they haven’t.

      In the end there are two things in play in my mind. Value, according to who the league over and under values, and BB keeping ahead of the curve, and coming up with the next trend for the league to copy.

      I still think outside WRs are valued over TEs, although TEs are valued a lot higher since Gronk and Hernandez were drafted, and tore up the league. But I also think BB isn’t beholden to needing two TEs to run our offense, and likely has found a new market inefficiency to target.

      That said if I has to pick one I’d go with TE, and we definitely need to add there, as we have no-one besides Gronk, but with the depth of this WR class, we may be able to get a good player in the 3rd or later rounds.

  12. J H TARBORO says:

    The Browns are hinting that they wan’t Jonny Manzel, and they have 2 2nd round picks,we should work on that pick because of their need of a RB, even if they draft one they also need depth. We should trade Steven Ridley for that 2nd pick. Nick Casario get on that!!!

    • Daniel R. Martin says:

      I definitely agree. Retaining Blount, further developing Vereen’s abilities to catch passes out of the backfield, and drafting Dri Archer in the 4th round would make our RB corps very dynamic, versatile and explosive. Talk about your change of pace 3rd down back? Can you imagine how off balance an opposing D would be after getting pounded by Blount for a few plays and then having to catch Archer, who may well be the fastest player in the history of the league? Plus, Bolden will still be a capable backup for the power element of the run game.

      The additional pick that could be gained by trading Ridley could be very important. Also, I can’t shake the feeling that TB12 was gearing up to lead a come from behind charge against the Ravens in the 2012 AFC Title Game, but the teams momentum was derailed by yet another costly Ridley fumble. Though, in his defense, he was concussed during the play.

      However, I doubt another team would be interested in trading for him, and any prospective team would be unlikely to give up much in the way of value because he is on the last year of his rookie contract. Same with Mallet I fear.

      • J H TARBORO says:

        D.R.Martin we are on the same page, last year and also this past year, i had the privilege to watch Kent St games, last year i realized that Dri Archer was the truth and watched him win the MAC Conference Championship. In our system, using him how we used D. Woodhead would be a benefit to Brady and the Pats. Dri has the best field vision of any kick returner that i’ve seen in a long time, a small RB that is fearless, tough, and durable. Dri was hurt the 1st 4 games of this season and they used him more as a decoy and put him in the slot receiver position, every time he touch the ball, he’s a big play waiting to happen. Last year at this time, i was screaming for Tavon Austin before that caught on around the country, just look back at the NEPD draft page archives from last year. Before you trade a Steven Ridley, you must ask yourself, can i replace his production with potential draft pick, with whom, and can i do it with a trade instead of touching my draft picks. The answer is yes!

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          There is no value in trading Ridley.
          His stock is at a low, and he only had one year left on his rookie deal, plus teams think he’s out of favour here, and so won’t offer a high pick, and so a 5th is the best we could hope for.

          If you ask the question, can we replace him with a draft pick, and answer that emphatically with a yes, then surely so will a potential trading partner.

        • Alex thinks Ridley has no trade value but I see nothing carved in stone that that is so. If this page is anything it’s an exercise into possabilitys and ideas. I also read that because he only has one year left on his contract that’s a negative, perhaps but perhaps not the value is in the mind of a GM of teams in need of good RB’s and Ridley did run for 1200 yards in 2012.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          I don’t think he has no trade value, just little value, like a 5th rounder at best.

          I do think there is no value in trading him, because we’d get the equivalent of half a packet of crisps for him, and he’s worth more than that to us.

          He plays a position that is devalued, and easily replaceable, evidenced by rotations around the league, and the success of late round guys, and he’s coming off a year when he got dropped. We’d be selling low.

          GMs wanting a good RB might be interested in him for a 6th or so, or they’d be more interested in targeting guys they rate in the 3rd or fourth round, who they get four cheap years out of. So they might be smart and remember he was good in 2012, and try and buy low, but they aren’t spending high, after he had a bad year. There’s just no reason to. Not to mention FA RBs that might be seen as better and more reliable, like Blount.

        • We are all debating the trades (values) of Mallett or Ridley as if they are a forgone conclusion but we have scant evidence that Bill is looking to trade these guys or if there is any interest from other teams in them as far as I’ve seen. Has anyone any infomation/ rumors on this or are we all just wishfully thinking?
          I’m sticking with my concept that Bill trades down our 1st for additional picks, which history shows is the most likely route, at least until better infomation indecates otherwise and will stick with my last mock projections.
          Things could and probably will change after the combine but for now.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          There is no evidence that BB is looking to trade these guys, and if there were rumours that he was/wasn’t then I’d put no stock in them anyway, most rumours are teams playing games, trying to get value and drum up interest in their picks or players.

          But in terms of talking about the possible value of our players, we can analyse past trades, and use common sense to see how our guys compare to those past players. And a backup QB who’s thrown 4 NFL passes, and a RB benched for fumbling with one year left on his rookie deal, are going to be worth very little. Any round number is speculation, but anyone who expects to get a high pick for either of them is dreaming, and doesn’t have an understanding of how trades work in the NFL.

          I think your wise to stick to your trade down projection, as that seems quite likely.

      • J H TARBORO says:

        It would be a balanced attack backfield that would be hard to defend and it completely opens up your passing game, you could call the Pats “Ringling Bros” it could become the greatest show on turf.

    • Russell says:

      I believe Cleveland has 2 1st round picks, #4 and #26, 1 second round pick #35, 2 3 round picks#71 and #83, and 2 4th round picks,#102 and #123. I look for them to try to get the Rams pick at #2.

      • J H TARBORO says:

        thanks Russell, even a 3rd is fine, it could be done!

      • I was also thinking Cleveland very well might want to move up to the 2nd pick, that will be interesting to watch. I think it was JH who said he’d be happy with a 3rd, I assume he was thinking of Clevelands #71 but for Millett or Ridley? I confess I’ve been losing trach of who in all this descussion. Anyway I’d think #71 for either would be a decent deal and would clear a little cap room too. Have you any thoughts on this?

    • Russell says:

      I Like RB Dri Archer as well, good eye, watched more tape on him in the last few days. could be a nice draft pick late. I also like RB LaDaruis Perkins not as fast, but a solid late draft pick.

  13. J H TARBORO says:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that we shouldn’t spend a high draft pick on a TE, Colt Lyerla in the 6-7th round would lend some toughness, and versatility to the position and a H-Back. If undrafted i would bring in Baylor’s Jordan Najvar 6’6″ 260 who was a blocking TE at Baylor, but at the East vs. West Shrine practices, he was probably the best TE there and he displayed very good hands and good route running. I would also bring in FB/H-Back Trey Millard OKLA., also another guy with a certain toughness the team needs and it doesn’t cost you next to nothing and won’t effect your draft picks at the top of the draft and if we really have comp. picks, it might be a perfect scenario.

    • Russell says:

      I agree here as well, using a later pick for a TE sound good . I like Rob Blanchflower from Massachusetts 6’4″ 255 soild player. I also think Bill gets a free agent at TE Scott Chandler from Buffalo, or Jeff Cumberland from the jets. Cumberland is 6’4″ 250 ran a 4.45 40yd, and had a 3 cone drill time of 6.89. Last year his salary was 1.3 mil.

      • Alex (freemanator) says:

        Given those numbers you’d have expected more production from Cumberland. He must have some fairly serious flaws to his game, as he’s more athletic than Hernandez, and has just been a JAG.

        Given Gronk is the only guy we have under contract for next year, I’d favour a double dip. With an inline TE high, ASJ – late first-early second, Niklas Mid-late 2nd or CJF 3rd, and a joker like Lyerla late.

        • I agree with Alex about double dipping at TE. Gronk is injury prone and we need the mismatch a dominate TE provides as well as the red zone target. Plus a move TE doubles the mismatches, a def is hard pressed to defend against. Having another WR would be good too though I’d look for a vet fa for a 1 yr contract as the best move in this regard this year so that our rookie WR’s can continue to develope. But even that makes for a crowded WR group. Really like to give the young guys time though.

        • Daniel R. Martin says:

          Has any team every tried a 3 TE set?

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          I’d also like a short term vet at outside WR Steve. Think Boldin as a physical #2 and mentor to the young guys would be great, and possibly affordable, as money is tight for all contending teams.
          Daniel, 3 TE sets are used, by rarely. More a situational thing, like at the goal line, or 3rd/4th and 1. Often reserve Offensive linemen are the TEs in that sense.

          If we drafted say ASJ, and Lyerla (my dream combo), and had them both on the field with Gronk, Dobson and Vereen, I’d see it as more of a 2 TE set, with a Giant slot receiver. As the move TE is really just a big slot receiver most of the time.

          A set like that would make for some really good gains on the ground, and great mismatches through the air.

  14. Matt says:

    In terms of the offense moving forward into next year I am sorry to say but the PATs made a big mistake signing amendola. His contract pretty much makes it inevitable that our best WR this year and return man (Edelman) will not be back next year. He deserves his payday and he won’t get it here. In a perfect world I would love to see the PAts get either TE amaro or Jenkins to pair with Gronk as big bodies TE that are matchup nightmare in the middle of the field and redzone. Let’s pray for the development of Dobson, Thompkins and Boyce from year 1 to year 2. It would be great to see Dobson man the #1 outside the lines receiver, thompkins running the short to intermediate routes and Boyce manning the inside slot with amendola as well as picking up kick and punt return duties like Edelman has done for us. I wouldn’t mind picking up 1 veteran FA wide receiver as well such as Nicks or Boldin if they would be willing to take a 1 year prove it deal (highly unlikely however) In terms of the other biggest deficiency, we have to address the O-line. I think it’s time to let Wendell go. I don’t think Connolly is great but I believe he played better at CEnter 2 years ago then he did at RG this season. We could move Connolly to center and if they could somehow trade back up into the 1st round I think they should absolutely target Zack Martin from Notre Dame. Kid is a stud and can be a day 1 starter at 4 of the 5 o-line spots. How about this starting lineup. Solder, mankins, Connolly, Martin, Vollmer (cannon as your 6th man swing tackle or guard. Mankins is also getting up their in age so Martin could take over at LG to pair with solder for years to come. IMO, while highly unlikely I would love to see Wendell and Connolly both gone And Alex Mack as our new center. Solder, Mankins, Mack, Martin, Vollmer. Your talking about the possibility of 4 or 5 pro-bowlers protecting Brady!!

  15. Breazy says:

    Clearly, the Pats had the most talented Injured Reserve in the league. That said, between Salary Cap, not particularly great draft position, and the shrinking TB12 window, what kind of player do you shop for to make the biggest difference in 2014?

    I say, intermediate-route receivers and TE. That get’s TB12′s completion percentage and red zone efficiency back up where it needs to be. If Gronk plays all next year, great…but he’ll be more effective with a second mismatch-making TE, and a very shifty slot receiver. Julian Edelman can do it, and maybe TJ Moe is the best understudy to shadow Edelman. I almost think the Pats need to add two very talented TE. They need as close to a Gronk clone as they can get for redundancy, and a guy who is 6’3″ 240# with a great 3-cone time to be an all around weapon.

    I will be shocked if they can afford to keep Wilfork or Blount.

  16. J H TARBORO says:

    They’re 4 undersized DE/OLB that we really have to consider in this draft because of their speed, quickness in coverage and getting to the QB.
    Dee Ford Auburn
    Telvin Smith. FSU
    Marquis Spruill Syracuse
    Kasim Edebali BC

    • Russell says:

      I like Tevlin Smith , can play SS or 3 down LB, has some great tape, sideline to sideline.

    • I’m ready to consider them I just don’t know about BB? Thes guys are not his prototypical DE/OLB types. If he did take a shot on one I’d think in would be a 3rd day thing which probably leave Ford and Smith off the likely list but who knows?

    • Daniel R. Martin says:

      Chris Boreland should top this list. If he were taller he’d be a top 20 pick. Dude flat out makes plays.

    • Daniel R. Martin says:

      And Boseko Lokombo plays those positions FAAAR better than his 7th round to UDFA projection would suggest.

  17. Breazy says:

    If we want another good CB, what’s the prototype?
    I think Richard Sherman is a good example. He was a 6’3″ 195# receiver and hurdler when he entered college, transitioned to DB as a junior, and oh, by the way, he’s smart and confident. He had a 3-cone time around 6.7 seconds and a 40 time around 4.5, which is the kind of fast feet and agility you expect from a hurdler. Do you see anybody like that coming out of college this year?

    • cardo says:

      Stanley Jean Baptist-Nebraska
      Keith Mcgill-Utah
      Pierre Desir-Lindenwood
      Walt Aikens-Liberty
      Antone Exum-Virgina Tech
      Al Louis-Jean Jr.-Boston College

  18. Accuan says:

    Clearly the Pats bar none injuries win the SB, including Hernandez. Even without a Hernandez they beat Denver. Just too much bad luck. Next year I’m picking them to win.

  19. J H TARBORO says:

    Good point.

  20. J H TARBORO says:

    I think Brady should go home and get rested this offseason and invite every reciever we have to California. I honestly believe the receivers we have are going to turn the corner in year 2. I said it before on this page, I don’t think Edleman will get resigned this year, and I’ll tell you why, at the start of the season last year Amendola was bought in to be that guy, and Edleman wasn’t really suppose to be a part of the plan, but it didn’t turn out that way. I think Edleman may be feeling some kind of way and may chase the money in FA, he’s earned it. If you look at the roster now including Edleman they have 10 receivers, and possibly more coming in the draft and UDFA. He’s not staying and they won’t keep him.

    • History sure leans toward Edelman getting a low ball offer and ending up walking but given his punt return abilitys also, Bill might look to keep him, hard to say. Personall I hope he stays.

      • J H TARBORO says:

        You may be right.

        • Bill Vermont says:

          If we can draft a quality TE and Gronk makes it back OK, The offense will be all right. The problem is that every one of them has injury history. Every single one of them. Even the 3 rookies fell in to the injury trap. Apparently you can never have too many receivers

      • I agree with Bill Vermont when he says we can’t have to many receivers. And what’s more we can’t have to many DB’s, LB’s, DT’s, well point is every area of the team was hit with injuries and the NFL is talking about adding 2 more regular season games? Oh boy!

    • Pete H. says:

      Considering the receivers on the roster, I’d expect Thompkins to be a reasonable NFL receiver, but best-suited to backup duties or a #3 role as his ceiling. Dobson looked studly to me as the season went on, it seemed that injuries derailed him a bit, but I’d expect him to put in a solid season next year as a consistant starter. Amendola should be good if healthy. Boyce flashed a bit, and I think he’ll slot in nicely as your #4/5 receiever/return man. Hard to know what you’ll get from Harrison, Moe, or the practice squad guys, but you can’t really count on any of them to play a major role. If you want the offense to be really prolific, I think you either need to count on running 2-receiver sets with Amendola and Dobson and add a great tight end, or you need to add another outside receiver (Edelman doesn’t quite fit this role) who can be a quality starter in 3-WR sets. You can get by without another receiver, but you will need Gronk in order to be dominant, and you most likely won’t have him available for every game. Of course it’s possible that Dobson, Thompkins, and Boyce light the world on fire next year, but I think the most reasonable expectation is that they all improve, but don’t all turn into world-beaters.

      • J H TARBORO says:

        Well said!

      • Alex (freemanator) says:

        I agree, and it is why I’d love us to add a one year vet to the WR corps, rather than draft one. I think we have potential there, but it needs to be given time and nurtured.
        That’s why Boldin would be my number one external FA target, as not only is he a great physical possession receiver, and exactly what we’re missing, he is supposedly an excellent locker room guy, and brilliant teacher for the other WRs.

        If not him, I’d wonder if there might be a chance to have a shot at Hakeem Nicks, on a one year prove it deal. He might not be able to get the long term deal he might want, and so might be looking for a situation to rehab and enhance his FA stock.

        • Agree Bolden would be the best fa WR for a one year deal and think we need to give our rookies the time to see if they make the 2nd year jump. A WR in the lower rounds or even FA is okay but not in the top 4 rounds imo.

        • bmp1113 says:

          Id like anquan but id rather see emmanuel sanders than nicks. I agree with most that edelman should walk if he wants a big contract. We would have amendola, boyce, and moe who could all put up big numbers in that position. Amendola was playing with that separated groin all year and I expect him to be huge next year. If the pats take a TE like Amaro and even someone like Ted Bolser later, then add to the oline, they will be set again on offense. Id also like to see a dt of the future picked with someone like daquan jones to take over after vince is done unless bill likes what he sees in armstead and the others. Then if they add some depth at lb or db then I dont really see the pats in a need to go big in fa.

        • carlo strada says:

          @bmp1113: Amaro and bolser? Amaro is a great BLOCKER compared to bolser, with this its said everything. Not being rude, but both guys suck at blocking, specially bolser, while theyre great at catching, none of em block decently. I dont see belichick getting 2 receiving TE, at least 1 of them will be a conventional type.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          Not really bothered about Sanders. I see him as an Edelman alternative. He’s a fast shifty guy, whose best in the slot.
          Nicks would be a big physical outside threat which we don’t have. We won’t be able to pay him what he’ll want on a long term deal, but after his performances the last two years, maybe no-one will. It seems things aren’t great both ways with him in New York (he feels he should have been extended, they think he was loafing to avoid injury this year) that he may take a one year deal elsewhere. And playing with (one of) the leagues best QB would be the best way to do that.

  21. Pete H. says:

    Random question- would Jake Bequette be eligible to be on the practice squad next season?

    • Daniel R. Martin says:

      Good question. I really don’t know what happened with this guy. He was putting up a sack a game almost, in the toughest division in NCAA.

      • Your right Dan he came into camp last couple seasons to high hopes but then not much happened for him. There was no 2nd year jump and I guess we are just left to wonder?
        I’m not sure but I think after two seasons on the roster he is not elegable for the PS. Could be wrong, just my gut.

    • Alex (freemanator) says:

      He wouldn’t be eligible, as he’s been on the active roster too long.

      According to league policy, only certain types of players are allowed to sign to the practice squad. Players cannot have played more than nine regular season games or been on the active roster for an entire year, nor can players be allowed to spend more than two seasons on the same team’s squad unless that team’s active roster never dips below 53 players.

      I get the feeling he is just not athletic enough, and had already maximised his ability in college, which is a shame. But after two years of doing nothing, I highly doubt he’ll make it through camp a third time.

  22. Bill Vermont says:

    Zucevics was an Iowa starter, and got invited to the combine 2 years ago. Josh Kline filled in this year and did OK for the time he was there. Along with the starters, we will only have 8-9 offensive linemen on the 53 man roster.
    Wilfork, Sileva, vellano, and Chris Jones, Armstead, plus the kid Grissom, and maybe Kelly and Fortson at DT. We’ll only keep 5-6

    At WR The 3 rookies from last, plus Harrison, Moe, Edelman, and Amendola is 6and we’ll only keep 5

    The point I’m trying to make is that its time for quality and star power. We don’t need deep bench. We need star players. This is not the time to trade a #1 for a 2, 5, 6, etc. We could rather trade up and get some round 2 talent that can start

    • jim r says:

      Bill I agree we have a young group of players now. accumulating extra picks might not be the best way to add to the core of this team. I would like to get quality defensive players in the draft and trade for a Fitzgerald or Jackson.

    • Picking at #29 makes it problematic to draft “star power” but if your like me, I have a short list of 4 prospects I’d like to see be on the board when we pick. I don’t know if they are the same ones BB has on his list or not but I tend to think that will be the determaning factor which route our draft takes. If value and need meet at 29 then we take the pick, if not we trade down. we are at the mercy of the picks taken before us imo.

      • Alex (freemanator) says:

        Same here Steve.

        And my feeling is the guys I like will probably be gone, or available 10 picks later.

        That’s the main reason BB trades down, not because he values depth over stars, but because he sees a load of equivalent talent, and fancies taking one of them later, and an extra pick, or two.

        Say we can pull the same sort of deal as last year, our first for a 2,3,4. I’d like to do that, and then potentially trade our original second up a bit (say with our 4th) so we end up with this.
        Early/Mid 2nd, Mid/late 2nd, Early/Mid 3rd, Late 3rd, Early Mid 4th, 6th, 6th and 7th.
        Having four picks in the first three rounds, and two in the top 50 would be great.

      • Nick says:

        Steve -
        Who are your 4 – i respect your opinion.
        My top reasonable 4 for this team are
        Niklas
        Fuller
        Easley
        Swanson

  23. Daniel R. Martin says:

    *****Here it is guys. My second ever attempt at completing a mock draft. I value everyone’s opinions. Don’t be shy.

    I’m going to operate in the fantasy world in which Bill O’Brien sacrifices a 2nd round (33rd overall) pick for Ryan Mallet, and Coach Belichick fleeces another dumb GM out of four later round picks for our first round selection, as he did last year. Adding those picks to the 6th round compensatory pick I believe we are slated for, we’d have the following picks: 3-2nd round selections, 2-3rd round selections, 2-4th round selections, 3-6th round selections, & 2-7th round selections.

    2 – Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE (33rd Overall for Mallet)

    2 – Antonio Richardson OT (Received for 1st Rd pick)

    2 – Dominique Easley DL

    3 – Brandon Coleman WR (Received for 1st Rd pick)

    3 – Chris Boreland ILB (Plays like Jamie Collins with the Heart of a lion. He will be drafted well behind his consistent level of production simply due to being undersized.)

    4 – Craig Loston SS (Received for 1st Rd pick)

    4 – Dri Archer RB/WR/PR/KR –

    6 — Colt Lyerla TE

    6 – Aaron Murray QB

    C6 – Seantrell Henderson OT

    7 – Boseko Lokombo ILB **Could be steal of the draft!**

    7 – Best Available Player – Or trade to move up in earlier rounds. (Received for 1st Rd pick)

    • J H TARBORO says:

      Nice work!!

      • Daniel R. Martin says:

        Thanks man. Got snowed in from work down here in Georgia and couldn’t think of a better way to waste a day. I really do think there is some value in those draft selections. I’ll probably repost on an article that is more likely to be read by more people.

    • Pete H. says:

      Looks like a haul – very nice. I’d keep an eye on the WR Abbredaris as another 3rd round WR possibility. Also, can Richardson kick inside to guard? If not, I’m not sure they use a second this year on a guy who will most likely be blocked for 2 more years at least… might wait until next year and use focus on one of the good interior O-line prospects to save money on Wendell and/or Connolly. The last 7th might be a good opportunity to grab a potential 5th cornerback/special teams guy. Finally, I like the idea of adding a strong safety, but I wonder how the safety depth chart would project next year. I don’t think you can count on Wilson, Harmon, Ebner, or a 4th round rookie to start next to McCourty, and if you keep Gregory, it’s hard to find room for 4 more safeties on the 53-man roster. You might need to cut a decent player to fit another safety on the roster. For that reason, I’d rather give another year to see what you have in your current group, and then target a pick in the first couple of rounds next year if you still need a starter. Hope you enjoyed the weather!

      • Daniel R. Martin says:

        Thanks Pete. I appreciate the feedback. Overall I just feel like we are missing some attitude in the secondary. I was hoping we would grab Bernard Pollard from the bargain bin last year. But I guess causing season ending injuries to Brady & Welker, hurting Gronk before the 2011 SB, and concussing Ridley creating a fumble in the 2012 AFC Title game was simply too much to overlook.

        I was excited about the acquisition of A. Wilson last year would have helped in that regard. However, as we know, he never played a snap. I’m told Loston is a liability in coverage. But he is a tackle machine that brings the pain, so to speak.

      • I’m old, it’s cold and I don’t enjoy this weather Whether it’s down in Georgia or up in NH. All I can say is, Dan stay warm, stay safe.
        As for a SS in the 3rd/4th rd area there are 2-3 out there that look like they can be an upgrade if not at starter right away then at least for depth which is sorely lacking now. The other possability is sign one of the better fa SS. The guy I like is Ahmad Dixon Baylor. He was used as the hybred SS/LB. Good speed so he can cover and is a force in run support. He does have some weak areas, sometimes over runs the play and gets penelitys for overagressiveness some times. Still I’d rather that then Ebner and Wilson.

        • Daniel R. Martin says:

          Thanks Steve. You stay warm also.

          I checked out Dixon. He does seem to be better in coverage, equally aggressive, and only marginally smaller than Loston. Plus, I think he has a knack for making plays on the ball (i.e. forcing fumbles, picking off passes, etc.) However, I doubt the Pats front office will have the balls to take Colt Lyerla due to his possession charge in the wake of the undeserved criticisms leveled against the franchise in the wake of the A-Hern fiasco. I really doubt they’ll draft a man who was arrested for assault last September.

          Then again they did draft Dennard a week after he assaulted a police officer. So, who knows.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          I was/am also a bit worried Dan that Hernandez will make them tentative on taking Lyerla, but I don’t think it will have much of an effect.

          Kraft and Belichick have committed to re-evaluating how they look at prospects, and I expect they’ll do that, and make some tweaks. But part of that evaluation has to be the reward size of the risk reward equation. Here they can look at Hernandez’ play while he was here, and Dennard’s, and guys with promise like Buchanan, who had some flags causing him to drop too, and I think they’ll see that taking these guys is a winning choice.

          So then it comes down to evaluating the prospects character properly. Lyerla may fail in that regard, we just don’t know. But I expect the Pats to push hard to try and get an understanding of who he is. If there aren’t any extra underlying concerns, then we’d be mad to not take him at the end of the draft. And double down on that, if he looks to be reformed, and a guy who made bad decisions as a kid in college, but who projects to do better as a paid pro, rather than a ‘student’-athlete.

    • Alex (freemanator) says:

      2 – Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE – Love it. I expect his stock will rise after he runs faster than people expect at the combine, but getting him in the second round would make me very happy. A good blocker, with room to grow, and a mismatch in the passing game. He’d be great Gronk injury cover, and open up scarily physical lineups, with great pass catching versatility.

      2 – Antonio Richardson OT – Good value pick, and I guess you’re projecting him to move to guard? If that’s the case I like it, and college OTs tend to make the best OGs. He is big and physical, yet nimble, and could be a great mauler at the RG position. My only suggestion would be that Cannon offers a similar package so maybe picking Travis Swanson or another Centre, would sure up the line even better.

      2 – Dominique Easley DL – A great value pick, with medical risks. Taking a top 5-10 talent late in the second is exciting, but will he be the same player after his second knee surgery? I’d be willing to be the one to find out at the end of the second, or beginning of the third.

      3 – Brandon Coleman WR – Good value and upside. It would be great to add another very tall target for Brady to throw too. With his size and athleticism, this would be worth taking the gamble with his rawness, as you have a guy who could potentially be a dominant #1 WR.

      3 – Chris Borland ILB – I like the pick. A guy who looks like he might slip due to height concerns, yet has the size, speed and instincts to be a real player. Due to depth of classes, I might consider a Safety here, as there would likely still be good LB candidates available to pick later. Ahmad Dixon would be of interest, and he seems to be a better bet in coverage than the bulkier Loston, but still a guy who likes to hit.

      4 – Craig Loston SS – Not a fan of Loston. The LSU fans I’ve spoken with (electronically) disparage this guys coverage ability, and say that for every big hit, he’ll whiff on two completions. I understand wanting a tonesetter for the defense, but I’d value coverage skills above anything else in the secondary. That has to be at least a good point, before I’d want to trot someone out there. I’d take Borland here if he was available, and if not maybe Christian Jones, who would offer excellent upside.

      4 – Dri Archer RB/WR/PR/KR – I love this idea. Tavon Austin went 8 overall last year, and Dri Archer would offer a similar package. Given Austin disappointed, these guys may be left undervalued, and if so I’d love to snap one up and try and get them 5-10 touches a game, and see what they can do. I expect Brady and Josh McDaniels will be able to do more with them, than Bradford and Co. My preference would be the Black Mamba, D’Anthony Thomas if he was available though. It’s hard to tell right now, as I think NFL draft Scout has them both under rated.

      6 — Colt Lyerla TE – The pick I’m most hoping for in the real draft come May. I just love the value here. He’s arguably the best move TE in the draft, or second to Ebron, and if we can get him late, then we have a chance to replace Hernandez cheaply, while getting another guy to rotate and spell Gronk higher up. I hope the Pats do plenty of background on Lyerla, and aren’t scared off unnecessarily, he’s a physical freak, and is bigger than Hernandez, and can be a bigger threat too.

      6 – Aaron Murray QB – Great value here. Get a guy who’s a winner with the intangibles you want, and see if he can parley that into learning from the best. We’d probably still need a vet backup, given we traded Mallett, and Murray could be IRd for the year.

      C6 – Seantrell Henderson OT – This would be fantastic value, and a no hesitation pick, even though we’ve lost Scar. He has plenty of talent, just needs to put it all together and keep his head on straight.

      7 – Boseko Lokombo ILB – I love Lokombo as someone who can give us more flexibility in how we use Collins. I’d happily take him earlier, and expect to see his stock rise.

      7 – Best Available Player – Makes sense.

      I’d be ecstatic with this draft, and that probably means it’s a little too convenient for us. Some of the guys at the bottom may well need to be taken earlier, but none of the picks are unreasonable, and so I’d still give you an A+ no questions. Well except for the fact that I’d die of shock if Houston sent us #33 for Mallett, and that does effect the whole thing somewhat.

      • Great brakedown and solid reasoning Alex, plus you not the only one who would die of shock in we got Houston’s #33.

      • carlo strada says:

        I agree with you on the Lyerlas issue, hadnt he been caught , and all those legal matters, hed be in top of the joker tE. I d also like belichick gives him a shot. Im just concerned, on if his coke addiction could be stronger than his desires to play, and on a given time he prefers it over the playing, and be a discard 2-3 years pick. But, WTF, bring him in anyway.

        • carlo strada says:

          Coke in sports, it is not a PED issue IMO, but a more self internal abuse “decision” (be cause once the drug has taken your brain, you cant decide a s..t ).

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          The coke is an issue, and it’s hard to know how serious it is. He got done for possession, but no idea whether he had it in his system. Even if he’d been using, it may have been just a one or two time thing.

          Either way, it’s a big issue that he’ll need to be clear with teams about, and show a desire to be honest, repentant and to put it behind him.

          It and the quitting college thing, make me wonder if he was just not a guy cut out for college. It seems the majority of ‘student’-athletes, would not be students if they weren’t so athletically gifted, and not just for intelligence reasons, but others as well. A lot of these guys who’ve struggled in college, thrive in a professional set up, where they can focus fully on what they love and are good at, while getting paid by the people making money off them.

        • Daniel R. Martin says:

          I see Alex. Thanks for the explanation. Do you think Dominique Easley can be guy we need to create interior pressure? If not, understanding that we both want ASJ as our team’s first selection, what D-Lineman would you suggest in the late 2nd who can pair with Wilfork and stop runs while creating pressure?

          Nix and Hageman (check spelling) will most assuredly be gone. Is the priority to find a Wilfork like player or a lighter, more athletic lineman who can shoot gaps and collapse pockets?

          In a 4-3 set, assuming our linebackers can stop runs and not be liabilities in the short route passing game, could we be more effective releasing Wilfork and forgoing the NT position all together? By which I mean if we had two penetrating DT’s anchoring the interior of the line and two competent edge rushers to bookend the line, would that be effective in your opinion? I believe it could be, even if utilized in limited applications. Especially if we could sign or draft an OLB who can also be a threat rushing pasers. Perhaps Collins is that guy. I’m sure it is hyper-aggressive. But I believe defense wins championships and pass rushing is the most effective way of stunting the offensive production of an opposing team.

          I recognize how valuable Vince is at stopping the run. However, I respect the flexibility we could have in restructuring our entire team with his freed cap space. For instance, we could take Hardy from Carolina in free agency. Perhaps Graham from NO. Getting some money back from Hernandez would be a boon as well.

          If we had four pass rushers on the line, backed by Collins, Hightower and Mayo and perhaps a SS who can also rush like Polamalu, would that be effective?

          Additionally, what is your feel for Armstead? The team really did quite well keeping his injury status under wraps. Can he be effective? Will he even be on the team?

    • carlo strada says:

      Very good draft, only think you just forgot the big fat guy in the mold of wilfork to improve the run defense. Excepting this, is a pretty solid one.

      • Daniel R. Martin says:

        Thanks for the feedback. I did utilize an earlier round selection on a D-Linemen. However, in lieu of a large bodied, run stuffer at the nose tackle position, I opted to select a d-linemen that is quicker, more agile and nimble, who can shoot the gaps, penetrate into backfields and collapse pockets. This should create more sacks, interceptions, throwaways and general errant passes.

        Additionally, I believe a NT type player would be redundant with Wilfork, Kelley, Armstead, Vellano, Jones and Siliga playing similar roles. However, if Wilfork and Kelly are going to be cap casualties, by all means the Pats should select a Nix / Hageman type player. I just don’t think such a pick should impede the selection of a top tier TE talent, or keep us from trading down in such a talent rich draft.

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          Only Wilfork and Siliga are NT types. With Kelly having the bulk to 2 gap, but more the size of a 34 DE.
          Vellano and Jones are too light and weak to play NT or two gap, and are really just less athletic 3 Techs.
          Armstead is definitely a 3 Tech, and has the athleticism to play some DE too, a bit like Lamaar Houston. Hopefully he’s healthy, and can make an impact this year.

          That said we have Cory ‘Pork Chop’ Grissom on the roster, who can be a NT, and so the need isn’t just a a big body, but rather a DT that can effect the game consistently, rather than struggle to hold up.

      • Daniel R. Martin says:

        I see Alex. Thanks for the explanation. Do you think Dominique Easley can be guy we need to create interior pressure? If not, understanding that we both want ASJ as our team’s first selection, what D-Lineman would you suggest in the late 2nd who can pair with Wilfork and stop runs while creating pressure?

        Nix and Hageman (check spelling) will most assuredly be gone. Is the priority to find a Wilfork like player or a lighter, more athletic lineman who can shoot gaps and collapse pockets?

        In a 4-3 set, assuming our linebackers can stop runs and not be liabilities in the short route passing game, could we be more effective releasing Wilfork and forgoing the NT position all together? By which I mean if we had two penetrating DT’s anchoring the interior of the line and two competent edge rushers to bookend the line, would that be effective in your opinion? I believe it could be, even if utilized in limited applications. Especially if we could sign or draft an OLB who can also be a threat rushing pasers. Perhaps Collins is that guy. I’m sure it is hyper-aggressive. But I believe defense wins championships and pass rushing is the most effective way of stunting the offensive production of an opposing team.

        I recognize how valuable Vince is at stopping the run. However, I respect the flexibility we could have in restructuring our entire team with his freed cap space. For instance, we could take Hardy from Carolina in free agency. Perhaps Graham from NO. Getting some money back from Hernandez would be a boon as well.

        If we had four pass rushers on the line, backed by Collins, Hightower and Mayo and perhaps a SS who can also rush like Polamalu, would that be effective?

        Additionally, what is your feel for Armstead? The team really did quite well keeping his injury status under wraps. Can he be effective? Will he even be on the team?

        • Alex (freemanator) says:

          Easley can absolutely be the guy to create interior pressure, and one of the best at it, as long as he comes back fully from his second knee injury. So I’d definitely be happy to take him, and would love to see him play for us. Anthony Johnson from LSU would be another alternative, he’s nicknamed ‘The Freak’, so that kinda keys you into his athleticism. Will Sutton would be an option too, hope he regains his last years form by losing some excess weight.

          I agree that with who we have, the priority is a disruptive presence inside, with focus on the passing game. So either a lighter guy who can penetrate, or a strong guy who gets a lot of push. Either way athleticism is key, hence a guy like Nix, or a guy like Donald can both work in different ways.

          I think playing two penetrating 3Ts at DT would be a bad idea except on passing downs. Do you remember how our run defense looked when Kelly went down, and we no longer had him or Vince. It was awful, and no way can it hold up, when we tried Jones and Vellano together. That also makes your coverage worse, as the backers have to cheat up.

          So we need a bigger bodied guy to be stout at the point of attack, and 2 gap if necessary, paired with a guy who can be lighter, and more dangerous 1 gapping next too him. Then on passing downs, we could bring a lighter guy in, even an extra DE, and really key off, much like we do now.

          As for releasing Vince, I think they’ll come to some sort of deal with him, which pays him a lot less than he’s currently scheduled to make. And hope he can be a force again when healthy. If he goes, then a bigger bodied guy like Nix or DaQuan Jones becomes more important. An athletic marvel at the NT position has a lot more value than just stopping the run.

          But that saved money will go to resigning our own FAs, or adding some low or mid tier options. We won’t be able to afford Hardy, and Graham will be tagged for two years in a row if he can’t agree a deal, so he won’t be seeing FA until 2016 at the earliest, so we can forget about him.

          We need a mix on the line, with some guys who are specialists and do one thing really well, and some who are versatile. But the more versatile guys are the better. If you can’t defend the run, then you’re a liability except in 3rd and long and won’t see the field. And if you can only stop the run, then teams will be passing on you early and often. At the moment we have Jones and Nink at DE who are good at both. Carter who’s depth at both, and Buchanan who is pass rush only. At DT we have Kelly and Wilfork who are good at both, Siliga who’s good in the run game, Armstead who we don’t know about, and Jones and Vellano who are OK against the pass. Add a younger guy who can effect the game every down, and we’ll be in good shape.

          As for Armstead, I see him like a late round pick. A guy who dropped because of injury concerns, and who left college early, without showing all he could do, and who without the injury concerns could of been a late second, and who if he’d gone back and had a solid last season in college, could have been a first rounder.

          So if he’s over his injury concerns, then he’ll be a useful piece, and if he can develop his game then he could be very good indeed. I have no real feel how it will go, but the team viewed him as their 3rd best DT, so I’d expect it is more towards the latter.

  24. trent says:

    Elvis Fisher?

    I was high on him last year as a 4th OT to keep around and develop (take svitek’s spot), who could be kept inactive on gamedays since we would already have vollmer/mankins to man left tackle in case solder got hurt in-game.

    He was sent to IR last year, but I could never find a reported injury settlement for him, so I am under the impression he is still under contract. Does anyone have any source to confirm or refute this? I think he could be a sleeper to make the team next year, at the very least compete with zusevics or other O-lineman for a final spot on the line (if healthy). He does have a long injury history I believe.

  25. Daniel R. Martin says:

    I’m going to operate in the fantasy world in which Bill O’Brien sacrifices a 2nd round (33rd overall) pick for Ryan Mallet, and Coach Belichick fleeces another dumb GM out of four later round picks for our first round selection, as he did last year. Adding those picks to the 6th round compensatory pick I believe we are slated for, we’d have the following picks: 3-2nd round selections, 2-3rd round selections, 2-4th round selections, 3-6th round selections, & 2-7th round selections.

    These are the players I want in their: Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE, Brandon Coleman WR, Dri Archer RB/WR/PR/KR, Colt Lyerla TE, Aaron Murray QB (or best latter round value at the QB position to replace Mallet).

    Aside from rebuilding our 2 headed monster TE set, with a built in security measure in case Gronk’s injury prone nature threatens a 4th consecutive SB run, I’d like the following: An Interior Pass Rusher, a solid edge rushing DE, a linebacker or two that has some of the same skillset as Jamie Collins (can pressure QB and not be a liability in coverage), and a hard hitting, big bodied “thumper” at FS and/or SS that can provide adequate coverage but also menace opposing backfields (i.e. Polamalu). Also, some depth and future prospects for the offensive line. In short, attitude and pass rushers on defense and playmaking receiving targets on offense.

    Can you make any recommendations of players that would satisfy the above stated criterion?

    I’ve considered the following players: Trevor Reilly DE, Chris Boreland ILB, Carl Bradford OLB, Craig Loston SS, & Seantrell Henderson OT.

    • Daniel R. Martin says:

      Add Boseko Lokombo to that list. He seems to be exactly what I was talking about earlier. Dude seems to play with violence and intensity. He has a non stop motor, good sideline to sideline speed, decent coverage ability, and is a constant threat to menace opposing back fields. I don’t watch a lot of college football, but I can’t believe this guy isn’t even projected to be taken in the first 7 rounds.

  26. Daniel R. Martin says:

    I recognize just how easily one may become swayed by a well compiled highlight reel of an athlete’s collegiate career. That being said, I can’t help but to feel as though we have a tremendous crop of young, underdeveloped talent already in house.

    I couldn’t find a highlight reel of T. J. Moe. However, from the game footage I’ve been able to find, and given consideration to his measurables, he seems to have a comparable skill set to our current and previous slot receivers. He is very slightly taller though, and he appears to possess the requisite speed and open field elusiveness to break the occasional big play. As stated above, Moe ran the fastest 3-Cone time of any receiver in the previous combine.

    I’ve been pretty high on investing either a 3rd or 4th round selection on Rutgers 6′-06″ WR Brandon Coleman for some time. Mark Harrison, also from Rutgers, isn’t as tall. Nor does he appear to have the same speed or YAC ability. However, I do believe he can be a key contributer to our offense in the immediate future.

    I don’t know if I’m the only one who sees Josh Boyce in this role, but I believe with his continued professional development, and the subsiding of his injuries, we may see Josh Boyce as a very special slot option as well. One with great elusiveness and elite, game breaking speed.

    I do think Dobson can develop into a premier wideout in the league. That is partially because he appeared to have the best pair of hands in NCAA football while he played at Marshal. Dude never dropped a pass. I don’t know why he developed an atrocious knack for dropping big plays once drafted.

    I don’t know how I slept on Steve Beauharnais all year. From the tape I’ve studied, Beauharnais seems to possess much of the quick sideline to sideline speed, elite pass coverage skills, unique ability to generate pressure on opposing quarterbacks, and overall versatility that makes Jamie Collins such a special player. Thanks to Alex (freemanator), I now recognize the paramount importance of developing interior pass rush to collapse pockets and hurry QB’s. I believe Beauharnais, playing as an ILB, could be an integral piece of that equation.

    • Daniel R. Martin says:

      Here’s a question: why is everyone saying Brady only has 2-3 years left? I understand the man can’t play forever. However, he seems to have played excellently over the last few years. Albeit he was underwhelming at times in this past season. Were 2011 and 2012 not great years statistically? He hasn’t taken a lot of punishment behind the Scarnecchia coached lines throughout the years. Hopefully that will not change with Coach Scar’s retirement. Brett Favre played until 40 and he was abused throughout much of his career. How long do you think Brady can continue to compete at an elite level? Barring this season he has shown me no signs of slowing down.

      • Pete H. says:

        I think he can play well another 4 years easy. Peyton had a couple of down years a few years back, but then had an all-time year this season. I do think there is some legitimacy to the fact that Brady’s downfield accuracy is less than that of other QBs. However, some of that can be mitigated by more chemistry with receivers, receivers getting more openso he doesn’t have to overthrow to avoid a pick, or receivers who can grab a jump ball. Basically, I think Brady’s avoidance of picks at all costs adds to this issue, and there are ways to make the deep-ball gamble a bit of a better bet for him.

      • It’s impossable to really say how long Tom can continue to play. Over the many years I’ve followed NFL games and teams often it’s just been a matter of one year to the next when a QB suddenly seems to loose the zip on his passes. Honestly I’d say it’s year to year at this point. The one thing in his favor is his drive to continue to work and improve all the time. Heck he could go until he’s 45 for all anyone could predict.

        • Daniel R. Martin says:

          I guess to put a finer point on it, I’d say I simply don’t understand what elements of his throwing mechanics, spiral, range, accuracy, etc. has dropped off. he had 5,200 yards just last year I believe. Perhaps it was the previous season. This year he looked rather pedestrian at times, well the times he wasn’t leading a last second comeback drive to victory. But, that can be easily explained considering he had rookies, some undrafted ones at that, and castoffs to throw to. He didn’t have a single receiver taller than 6′-00″ in the conference title game loss that was healthy. And Dobson was uncharacteristically unreliable even when he was uninjured. If Brady was throwing to Gronk, Hernandez, Welker still, he would have put up his customary prolific passing numbers, I’m sure.

        • qwerty says:

          Kurt Warner’s throwing arm was at the top of his game when he retired. QB’s retire because of the legs. When Brady’s leg’s go, that’s all folks.

      • Alex (freemanator) says:

        I think people are saying 2-3 years, because that is a likely, albeit conservative hedge of how much longer he may be able to keep playing at this level.

        But as you say, it could be much longer, and it is really speculation. Brady still has plenty of arm strength, and the desire to keep going. I’d assume he starts for us up until his contract expires (another 4 seasons), and from there who knows, maybe he takes it year by year.

        I think this season was a down year for him, but mainly due to new targets, and probably his hand injury affecting him.

        So I’d say that he has at least 2-3 years left, and focus on the at least part. Which means we shouldn’t be looking for his successor until we see some slowdown, and should instead focus on adding talent for these last few years.

    • Alex (freemanator) says:

      You’re right, it is easy to get swayed by highlight tapes and measurables, but until you can see them in the NFL, then that’s all you have to go on.

      TJ Moe sounds like he could be a keeper. The only worry is the numbers crunch, but if we lose Edelman, then we may have room for him. He definitely looks like he could be a reliable option in the slot, and worth hanging onto, although we may have to hope we can slip him onto the Practise Squad.

      Mark Harrison is another interesting guy. He has great size and athleticism, but was a raw guy. I’m doubtful he’ll get much chance to shine because of his rawness, but if he has worked hard, then he could be really good. People have also speculated about using him in the Hernandez move-TE role, which would be interesting. Either way, with his size and athleticism combo, I really hope we can find a way to use him.

      I’m also really excited about Boyce. He could be really special. If you compare numbers he’s a taller, heavier, faster, more explosive, quicker Randall Cobb. If he can get near his performance on the field, that would be awesome. He did look good against Cleveland, and being healthy and getting a full camp should help him kick on.

      Dobson had a good year, and hopefully will make Belichick’s much talked about double year two jump. He has most of what you look for in a #1WR, so let’s hope he can put it all together. The no drops in college stat, was misleading, as he definitely dropped some catchable balls, as all WRs do. He did make some of the best highlight reel catches you’ll ever see though, so I think the drops were more a nerves/too much to take in thing, due to being thrust into a key role from day 1.

      As for Steve Beauharnais, he was a good value pick, and should give us depth for replacing Spikes. I doubt he’ll be quite as good in coverage as you’ve picked up from his college tape, but he is definitely more athletic than Spikes, and is a slightly slower Navarro Bowman numbers wise. If he can come close to Bowman’s play, then you’d be right.

      But these guys mean I’m much keener to upgrade the TE position (twice) and the trenches, than I am to take another WR, although if the value is there late in this very deep class, then there should be some great late options. I like Moncrief and Washington as possible late picks, as well as Coleman.

      • Daniel R. Martin says:

        Thanks Alex. Weigh in on my mock when you get a moment. It is a little further up the page. Your input from previous posts weighed in on a few of the picks. You can probably tell which ones. Thanks.

  27. Daniel R. Martin says:

    As I’ve found to be typical of this website, this article provides a wealth of relevant and insightful information. I’m proud to be a member of this community, which is filled with knowledgeable, well informed and true fans of the Patriots franchise.

    I have a few comments and questions for the community. Some of which aren’t germane to this particular article. However, I recognize how easily comments get buried. So, in the interest of continuing dialogue recorded on previous posts, I’ll get things started.

    Steve & Alex (Freemanator) please feel free to chime in.

  28. LongJohn says:

    Hey guys.
    I have a question for you NFL-insiders, that have lingering my mind for some time. The likes of T.J Moe, Armond Armstead and Mark Harrison haven’t been able to play this season, but how good of understanding do they have after having a redshirt year on the sideline, have much time do they spent in meetings and on the practice field watching?

    I know you guys can’t know anything for sure, but it will be nice with a educated guess.

    Thank you for answering.

    • qwerty says:

      I don’t think we really know how the mental reps will translate to the field but I think it helps. Those 3 you mentioned will be very interesting to watch.

    • Russell says:

      Being on injured reserve alows for a player to study the teams system, attend meetings. and follow game plans. So it should be helpful to guys on IR.

    • Alex (freemanator) says:

      Good question. And one that will mainly depend on the players. Did they still come to all the meetings, and work hard trying to understand and learn the gameplan, even though they couldn’t play? If they bring that sort of work ethic, then it will have been a valuable year.

      If they kinda loafed around though, then not so much.

      We’re mostly likely to find out by how they do in camp this year, and what happens when the cuts start happening.



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