Mike Loyko’s Pre-Combine Top 151 Big Board

NEPD Editor: Mike Loyko

Here is my initial pre-combine Big Board. This board is in no way final and will fluctuate a lot prior to the draft. What it is, is a prelimanary look at how I value a player.

This list will change with injury news, combine workouts and more film study.

1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Matt Kalil OT USC
3. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
4. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
5. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
6. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
7. Quentin Coples DE North Carolina
8. Riley Reiff OT Iowa
9. David DeCastro OG Stanford
10. Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
11. Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
12. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
13. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
14. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
15. Michael Brockers DT LSU
16. Nick Perry DE USC
17. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
18. Devon Still DT Penn State
19. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
20. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
21. Mark Barron S Alabama
22. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
23. Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
24. Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
25. Dontari Poe DT Memphis
26. Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
27. Mike Adams OT Ohio State
28. Cordy Glenn OG/OT Georgia
29. Zach Brown OLB North Carolina
30. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State
31. Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina
32. Peter Konz OC Wisconsin
33. Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona State
34. Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
35. Lamar Miller RB Miami(FL)
36. Kelechi Osemele OG Iowa State
37. Joe Adams WR Arkansas
38. Orson Charles TE Georgia
39. Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
40. Bobby Wagner OLB Utah State
41. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
42. Vinny Curry DE Marshall
43. Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
44. Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
45. Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
46. Leonard Johsnon CB Iowa State
47. Doug Martin RB Boise State
48. Harrison Smith S Notre Dame
49. Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
50. Coby Fleener TE Stanford
51. Josh Chapman DT Alabama
52. Jared Crick DE Nebraska
53. Chandler Jones DE Syracuse
54. Rueben Randle WR LSU
55. Andre Branch DE Clemson
56. Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
57. Chase Minnifield CB Virginia
58. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt
59. Alameda Ta’amu DT Washington
60. Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State
61. David Wilson RB Virginia Tech
62. George Iloka S Boise State
63. Brandon Washington OG Miami(FL)
64. Ronnell Lewis OLB Oklahoma
65. TY Hilton WR Florida International
66. Bruce Irvin OLB West Virginia
67. Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech
68. Keenan Robinson OLB Texas
69. Dwayne Allen TE Clemson
70. Amini Silatolu OG Midwestern State
71. Mike Martin DT Michigan
72. Marvin Jones WR California
73. LaMichael James RB Oregon
74. Mike Brewster OC Ohio State
75. Bobbie Massey OT Ole Miss
76. Marvin McNutt WR Iowa
77. David Molk OC Michigan
78. Jarius Wright WR Arkansas
79. Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma
80. Trumain Johnson CB Montana
81. Malik Jackson DE Tennessee
82. Bernard Pierce RB Temple
83. Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State
84. Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
85. Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma
86. Ben Jones OC Georgia
87. Audie Cole ILB North Carolina State
88. Jeff Allen OT Illinois
89. Sean Spence OLB Miami(FL)
90. Markelle Martin S Oklahoma State
91. Kendall Reyes DT Uconn
92. Mitchell Schwatz OT California
93. Ryan Steed CB Furman
94. Dwight Jones WR North Carolina
95. Mychal Kendricks ILB California
96. Chris Polk RB Washington
97. Cam Johnson DE Virginia
98. Donnie Fletcher CB Boston College
99.  Senio Kelemete OG Washington
100. Billy Winn DT Boise State
101. Brian Quick WR Appalachain State
102. Coryell Judie CB Texas A&M
103. James-Michael Johnson ILB Nevada
104. Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State
105. Matt McCants OT UAB
106. Jonathan Massaquoi OLB Troy
107. Tony Bergstrom OG Utah
108. Eric Page WR Toledo
109. DaJohn Harris DT USC
110. Dwight Bentley CB Louisiana-Lafayette
111. Antonio Allen S South Carolina
112. Brandon Lindsey OLB Pittsburgh
113. Josh Robinson CB UCF
114. Cliff Harris* CB Oregon
115. Lucas Nix OG Pittsburgh
116. Chris Givens WR Wake Forest
117. Cyrus Gray RB Texas A&M
118. Juron Criner WR Arizona
119. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida State
120. Shaun Prater CB Iowa
121. Levy Adcock OT Oklahoma State
122. Boom Herron RB Ohio State
123. Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly
124. Andrew Datko OT Baylor
125. DeVier Posey WR Ohio State
126. Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati
127. Jaye Howard DT Florida
128. Robert Turbin RB Utah State
129. Demario Davis ILB Arkansas State
130. Tommy Streeter WR Miami(FL)
131. Janzen Jackson S McNeese State
132. Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati
133. Chris Rainey RB/WR Florida
134. Terrell Manning OLB North Carolina State
135. LaDarius Green TE Louisiana-Lafayette
136. Cordarro Law OLB Southern Mississippi
137. Shea McClellin LB Boise State
138. Brandon Moseley OT Auburn
139. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
140. Marcus Forston DT Miami(FL)
141. Quenton Saulsberry OC Mississippi State
142. Jordan White WR Western Michigan
143. Brandon Taylor S LSU
144. Jake Bequette DE/OLB Arkansas
145. Nate Potter OT Boise State
146. Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State
147. Jack Crawford DE Penn State
148. Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
149. Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
150. Nick Foles QB Arizona
151. Rishard Matthews WR Nevada

Tags: 2012 NFL Draft, Big Board, NFL Combine

23 Responses to “Mike Loyko’s Pre-Combine Top 151 Big Board”

  1. Lawrence Taylor says:

    I love that your big board is big, not 25 or 32 players.

  2. JI says:

    I think you undervalue Crick, and think the Pats will consider him in the first. His So. and Jr. year tape is key. Can he add bulk? I think so, and his height is ideal.

  3. Bruschi54 says:

    I like the list, it is interesting how differently many of the “experts” evaluate Alshon Jeffery, Zach Brown & Whitney Mercilus. Some project all 3 as top 15 picks, others have them in the middle of round 2. Jeffery seems to be the one that people disagree the most on, but would like nice to the Pats if he slid to their first pick in round 2.

  4. Tom says:

    It is interesting to see where you ranked the players and then compare their ranking to where they are projected to be drafted, particularly Sanu and Minnifield. It will be interesting to see if someone wants to trade back into the late first round to grab Weeden. I suppose that would require a willing trading partner though…..

  5. qwerty says:

    My only beef with this list is that Prioris should be behind Luck.

  6. Lundahl says:

    @ Mike or Doug – according to you if BB picks an offensive lineman (except for the center position which I guarantee he’ll draft one), who would you see him drafting ? Is there any chance that (clich√©) big OT prospects do drop back late ? I’d love to have MK or Mike Adams – but I really see BB picking a 2nd round OT. Personally Nate Potter.

    • Mike Loyko says:

      They have Vollmer and Solder, not to mention Matt Light signed for another year, so they will definitely not be drafting one in round 2. If they draft a none center it will be a guard or a back up tackle type on Day 3… theres no need to spend a high pick on a center.. they will likely be able to pick on up in round 3 if they really want one.

  7. MJP says:

    I believe BB would say something like this…”What matters most is not what you did to be drafted by the Patriots but what you do once you are a Patriot”.

    BB will not hesitate to move on from a draft pick or any player for that matter, it’s not in the team’s best interest to have a coach who feels obligated to keep under-performing players on the roster just to justify what was ultimately a failed draft pick by the coach or GM(AHHHHEEEMMMM, Rex Ryan).

    I don’t when OLB and DE get addressed, I just care that it gets addressed. I’m sure you’ll see a FS and maybe even another CB, or perhaps someone who plays both…..and I’m sure we’ll see a WR and probably a Center…that’s 6 picks at most and hopefully that’s how many picks we make.

    • TD says:

      What BB does not say is, we drafted you high or gave you a boat load of money to come here so the spotlight is on you to perform.

      I am not a Rex defender, but the GM over there is the one betting the house on high draft picks or bringing in high priced/problem children for him to coach up. The only top picks Tannenbaum has hit on is Revis & Mangold.

  8. TD says:

    I find it amazing that the list changes after the combine. What about these guys changes their ranking? Are they better football players because the run a 4.3, have a 42 inch vertical jump or press 250 pounds 9million times?

    It would seem to me the thing that would really change their rankings is the thing that you cannot measure; what’s between their ears. Ever wonder why BB let go of Kevin O’Connell after drafting him in 3rd round in less than 2 years and keep Hoyer? Because he was dumb.

    • Mike Loyko says:

      I don’t really give a shit what someone runs, unless they are a WR or CB, I’m more interested in how they look going through position drills and their flexibility. Also, will be looking at smaller school players I haven’t gotten to see much, to possibly move them up.

      • TD says:

        But isn’t this even a very small snapshot of a players abilities, run in shorts and Tshirt, no defenders?

        Also, does one look for flexibility in a CB if BB plays a ton of zone or a WR if the main thing is to get to an open space and be in tune to #12?

        All very confusing trying to figure what BB’s requirements are as well as other 31 teams, but it makes for a much, much, much more enjoyable offseason making out and checking mock drafts.

    • Doug Kyed says:

      If two players are already incredibly close in your mind, then speed definitely matters. As much tape as you can watch, you’re still only looking at individual players and not comparing them side by side. Running 40 yards without pads definitely doesn’t show you a ton, but it does give you a better idea of where guys stand compared to one another.

      And like Mike said, the individual positional drills definitely count. A lot of these guys have been training nonstop since their college seasons have ended and have picked up nuances along the way from different coaching or different eyes. If Andrew Datko can come out and consistently backpedal without completely bending over at the waist, it might move him up a notch on my board.

  9. Rick says:

    So 23 WR’s and 21 CB’s, nice year to need a WR and CB

  10. Dan says:

    Ridiculous!

    Vick Ballard is clearly better than Nate Potter, but the rest is exactly correct.

    A little humor, but I was thinking about the trade value chart that has been used for some time. What good does it do if a team has players valued differently?

    More importantly, looking back at any draft as a “re-do” you’d completely rearrange the entire draft. Brady is a prime example, but more recently you have Gronk & Hernandez….Gronk would go from a mid 2nd-rounder to a top 10 pick, and Hernandez would go from a 4th (thank you weed!) to a possible top 10 but no far beyond.

    So, if this can be said for a vast majority of the players selected…via hindsight…what value does the trade value chart have? Yes, it’s a tool, but it’s nearly worthless. I’ve read a few articles recently about potentially trading up to where the Pats give up both 1st round picks and possibly one 2nd rounder etc…and grab one player they really like. Well, if you back and look at past drafts you’ll clearly see that this is so risky, not always, but the odds are against you. The Pats know this…the realize that it’s a huge step up to the NFL, and the failure rate is what it is, so therefore you want as more picks than less…this should leave you with more players that make it, and the rest you cast off.

    The two players taken at #’s 27 & 31 could be better individually than a single top 10 player, and history backs this up. On top of this you are now putting all (most) of your eggs in one basket…ignoring another law of the draft that the Pats are equally subjected to year-after-year, that you just don’t know if a player will be who all the “experts” say they will be. This list seems to fall in-line with many of the other lists out there, and I feel this is normal, but it’s still opinion and projection; but, it may also be some kind of falling-in-line phenomena. We all read the lists, and we argue over who is rated #6 over #7, or example. Beyond the top 10 it really gets to be ridiculous.

    My point is this, it’s a necessary tool, as is the trade value chart, but still just a tool with massive flaws worked into it.

    I strongly feel that this is why the Pats are usually trading back and gaining more picks. They are respecting the higher law that this is more chance than we draftniks would like to admit. Having more picks simply increases you odds at finding gold (Gronk & Hernandez, Spikes, Brady…and all the undrafted free agents just add to this evaluation mystery). It’s better to have more than less when it comes to picks…they are spins at the wheel.

    To fully understand this you have to look at the entire league’s draft and over many years (go back 5-10). The failure rates are incredibly high, and where they were drafted seems like drunken tosses at a moving dart board.

    • TD says:

      The other thing to realize is that the Total Hit Contract/Cap wise is getting Your guy as far down as possible. Gronk and Hernandez are extremely high value since they are getting paid as 2nd and 4th rounders but producing at top 10 picks minus the contracts.

      Couple that with the burn-out rate for draft picks it makes great sense (statistically) to have multiple picks in later rounds. Since the talent drops off considerably after round 2, it makes more sense to find/get guys there. If they don’t work out, it is minimal investment and cap hit.

      Since BB always finds gems that are undrafted, their value is very high also, but there is considerable competition from other teams trying to sign those guys also.






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